Thomas Jefferson quotes

Microdizzey

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Read carefully! Jefferson left very important messages and warnings for Americans. Feel free to post other quotes.


“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”


“If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.”


“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”


“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”


“Information is the currency of democracy.”


“To penetrate and dissipate these clouds of darkness, the general mind must be strengthened by education”


“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”


“Power is not alluring to pure minds”


“The glow of one warm thought is to me worth more than money.”


“I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.”


“Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.”


"A coward is much more exposed to quarrels than a man of spirit."


"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."


"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."


"Bodily decay is gloomy in prospect, but of all human contemplations the most abhorrent is body without mind. "


"Delay is preferable to error."


"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it."


"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."


"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. "


"Every generation needs a new revolution."


"Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor."


"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."


"He who knows best knows how little he knows."


"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."


"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion."


"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."


"If God is just, I tremble for my country."


"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."


"It is neither wealth nor splendor; but tranquility and occupation which give you happiness. "


"It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good."


"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."


"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."


"Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances."


“Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.”
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Read carefully! Jefferson left very important messages and warnings for Americans. Feel free to post other quotes.


“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”


“If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.”


“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”


“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”


“Information is the currency of democracy.”


“To penetrate and dissipate these clouds of darkness, the general mind must be strengthened by education”


“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”


“Power is not alluring to pure minds”


“The glow of one warm thought is to me worth more than money.”


“I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.”


“Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.”


"A coward is much more exposed to quarrels than a man of spirit."


"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."


"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."


"Bodily decay is gloomy in prospect, but of all human contemplations the most abhorrent is body without mind. "


"Delay is preferable to error."


"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it."


"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."


"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. "


"Every generation needs a new revolution."


"Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor."


"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."


"He who knows best knows how little he knows."


"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."


"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion."


"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."


"If God is just, I tremble for my country."


"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."


"It is neither wealth nor splendor; but tranquility and occupation which give you happiness. "


"It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good."


"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."


"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."


"Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances."


“Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.”
Ahh, words of wisdom from the Sage of Monticello, as relevant now as they were 230 years ago.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."

"It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good."

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

“Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.”
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
"every form of tyranny over the mind" Sums it up right there. If your not free as an individual, Free to think and act and to keep the fruits of your labors then you are just a cog, a tool, property yourself.

Oh and those haters out there that think the Framers were all just evil, rich, white, slave holders.
"If God is just, I tremble for my country."

Nobody ever said the framers were perfect. But they were damn good. Much better then any politican around today, sadly.
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
outstanding post.
i cant help but remember at this time of tyranny we live in.
the whole of the US congress raised their hand to protect and defend the constitution against all enemys ..then went and voted in a ex post facto law. in violation of their oath.
all happened in less than a couple of days.fucking amazing.
they ARE THE ENEMY FROM WITHIN.
 

ViRedd

New Member
To all of my fellow Libertarians and Conservatives posting here ... Please, please ... start watching Glenn Beck. He's on the Fox channel, 2pm Monday through Friday. The guy is presenting some amazing programming. Turn on your TIVO. :lol:

Vi
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson

Run out and pay your income taxes now.
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
Yeah, Glenn Beck makes many correct noises....
I will gladly use his message. Until he can say we need out of Iraq/Afganistan
hes a big government tool and Neo-Con, IMO.

War is just one more big government program. – Joseph Sobran
 

jfgordon1

Well-Known Member
To all of my fellow Libertarians and Conservatives posting here ... Please, please ... start watching Glenn Beck. He's on the Fox channel, 2pm Monday through Friday. The guy is presenting some amazing programming. Turn on your TIVO. :lol:

Vi
Come on Vi, don't listen to main stream media. it's all a lie. :spew:... he just touches the surface of what's really going on...
 

Microdizzey

Well-Known Member
Here's another great American and a chilling message he left us before being murdered.

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"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent (relevant) facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."
 

nexcare

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To all of my fellow Libertarians and Conservatives posting here ... Please, please ... start watching Glenn Beck. He's on the Fox channel, 2pm Monday through Friday. The guy is presenting some amazing programming. Turn on your TIVO. :lol:

Vi

He isn't bad at all for mainstream.

I am sure many of yall have heard of him, but yall should take the time to check out Ron Paul.

Yes, he is from Texans, and NO, Bush was not from Texas. haha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

He shows that you can keep an open mind, while being conservative and sticking to the constitution.
 

medicineman

New Member
Of all the things jefferson said, I like this the best.:
"He who knows best knows how little he knows."

"Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances."
This one describes Obama to a tee.


 

medicineman

New Member
He isn't bad at all for mainstream.

I am sure many of yall have heard of him, but yall should take the time to check out Ron Paul.

Yes, he is from Texans, and NO, Bush was not from Texas. haha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

He shows that you can keep an open mind, while being conservative and sticking to the constitution.
Bush might not have been born in Texas, but he sure as hell was from Texas , uhhh, the governor, hello.
BTW all you constitutionalists should try and interpret what the phrase "promote the general welfare" means. As it stands now, it means promote the general welfare of corporations, something that hadn't even been invented in their time. Think about it.
 

Microdizzey

Well-Known Member
Of all the things jefferson said, I like this the best.:
"He who knows best knows how little he knows."

"Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances."
This one describes Obama to a tee.


Nice quotes. Absolutely agree with both of them. Who looks like the bigger fool, the man who stays calm, collected, and wise? Or the man who angers quickly and fights back with pure arrogance and/or ignorance?

I see a lot of that on this forum. People not thinking clearly, not staying calm when they discuss opposite opinions.
 

ViRedd

New Member
BTW all you constitutionalists should try and interpret what the phrase "promote the general welfare" means. As it stands now, it means promote the general welfare of corporations, something that hadn't even been invented in their time. Think about it.
On the contrary, Med ... it is YOU who should think about it. Obama (and Bush) did not, and are not, PROMOTING the general welfare of corporations, they are PROVIDING for the general welfare of the corporations ... and that is something that both of us should be adverse to because it is anti-constitutional.

By the way Med, I haven't seen any comments from you about Obama's bombing of villages in Afghanistan and was wondering if you had any comments about it at all. From what I've read/heard, over 150 civilians have been slaughtered by Obama's bombs so far ... and yet, no protests from the left have been heard as of yet. How come?

Vi
 

nexcare

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Bush might not have been born in Texas, but he sure as hell was from Texas , uhhh, the governor, hello.
BTW all you constitutionalists should try and interpret what the phrase "promote the general welfare" means. As it stands now, it means promote the general welfare of corporations, something that hadn't even been invented in their time. Think about it.

By promote the general welfare, do you mean give undeserving people my money, or my family's money?

I don't think so. And then after that, the income tax is illegal as is.
 

ViRedd

New Member
nexcare ...

Welcome to the forum. :)

The Progressives have a very hard time with the Welfare Clause in the Constitution and Med is no exception.

I continue pointing out that the Welfare Clause gives the federal government the power to PROMOTE the general welfare and PROVIDE for the common defense. Somehow the libs think "promoting" means using the gun of government to take from one to give to another. Sounds to me as though their idea of "promoting" is nothing more than common theft. Agree? :)

Vi
 

nexcare

Well-Known Member
nexcare ...

Welcome to the forum. :)

The Progressives have a very hard time with the Welfare Clause in the Constitution and Med is no exception.

I continue pointing out that the Welfare Clause gives the federal government the power to PROMOTE the general welfare and PROVIDE for the common defense. Somehow the libs think "promoting" means using the gun of government to take from one to give to another. Sounds to me as though their idea of "promoting" is nothing more than common theft. Agree? :)

Vi
I completely agree.

Over 50% don't pay any federal income tax.

The reason why 40%, 45% or whatever is often quoted is because the IRS is complicit in pulling the wool over our eyes by some tricky accounting methods.

"Refundable" tax credits are not classified as a reduction in income tax receipts, but rather as an expense by one of the federal departments.

So, the bottom 50% of taxpayers shows something like a contributor of 3 or 4% of the total income tax paid, but that figure ignores the 5 or 6% that they pull from the system.

Right now, over half of the populace pays nothing or receives a welfare check after elimination of all income tax. This is a completely unstable system and has now resulted in $2T annual deficits and $50T in debt.

Those that pay nothing understandably demand even more while those that pay everything wonder how folks are confused over which group is actually comprised of the greedy.

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I am sure the people who are against my view will bash it without taking the time for a rationale thought.

The hard working people, who aren't looking for handouts, but are looking to better their own/family lives are the ones getting screwed over. This government has tried its best to take the aspect of "nature/survival of the fittest" out of the equation. We keep dragging along these worthless, non-contributors, and it drags this country down with them. This wimpy, help the lazy woman with 13 kids, receiving 13 welfare checks a month BS has to go...

Ive got a feeling that the tide is turning on this group of hard working people. The hard workers are usually the ones who don't voice their opinions that loudly, and don't go march for some secondary rally(smaller issues). Yet, I feel like they are finally getting sick of the federal government taking their money and giving it (sic) worthless bastards.

You think that 50% of the population with 3% of the money can make a sound? What do you think even a small percentage of the top 50% using their money and power to actually get this country back in line? Hard working people's pay checks shouldn't be divide among the worthless and the people who made the decisions to make their life worthless...
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
I completely agree.

Over 50% don't pay any federal income tax.

The reason why 40%, 45% or whatever is often quoted is because the IRS is complicit in pulling the wool over our eyes by some tricky accounting methods.

"Refundable" tax credits are not classified as a reduction in income tax receipts, but rather as an expense by one of the federal departments.

So, the bottom 50% of taxpayers shows something like a contributor of 3 or 4% of the total income tax paid, but that figure ignores the 5 or 6% that they pull from the system.

Right now, over half of the populace pays nothing or receives a welfare check after elimination of all income tax. This is a completely unstable system and has now resulted in $2T annual deficits and $50T in debt.

Those that pay nothing understandably demand even more while those that pay everything wonder how folks are confused over which group is actually comprised of the greedy.

------

I am sure the people who are against my view will bash it without taking the time for a rationale thought.

The hard working people, who aren't looking for handouts, but are looking to better their own/family lives are the ones getting screwed over. This government has tried its best to take the aspect of "nature/survival of the fittest" out of the equation. We keep dragging along these worthless, non-contributors, and it drags this country down with them. This wimpy, help the lazy woman with 13 kids, receiving 13 welfare checks a month BS has to go...

Ive got a feeling that the tide is turning on this group of hard working people. The hard workers are usually the ones who don't voice their opinions that loudly, and don't go march for some secondary rally(smaller issues). Yet, I feel like they are finally getting sick of the federal government taking their money and giving it (sic) worthless bastards.

You think that 50% of the population with 3% of the money can make a sound? What do you think even a small percentage of the top 50% using their money and power to actually get this country back in line? Hard working people's pay checks shouldn't be divide among the worthless and the people who made the decisions to make their life worthless...

To quote John Jay, the more I have seen of the current political system, the more I believe that he was correct with this quote, "Those that own the country ought to govern it."

From what I have seen the corporation that I work for is a benevolent tyrant, whereas the government is the equivalent of a malignant mob.

Those that pay taxes (net tax payers, not net tax eaters) should be the only ones with the vote.

Those that are on the dole, or on government pay roll, or do not pay anything in taxes should not be allowed to vote as long as their current balance of receipts and of payments (between them and the government) is in their favor.

Now, the important thing, is the fact that those that own the property are going to be interested in maintaining it and preserving it.

More importantly is the fact that land-owners are not likely to be partisan. They are going to support only those that support protecting their rights, regardless of their political party.

Left/Right is a false dichotomy as there is no difference between Big Corporation Fascism and Big Government Socialism. Both permit the existence of monopolies or near monopolies (defense sector.)

It is even more important to look at the record of both parties when it comes to protecting that quintessential sector of the American Middle Class, the farmer.

When it comes to ensuring a thriving private farming sector both parties have dismal records.

The Republicans with their stance on free trade has consistently screwed over American Farmers, despite the fact that being self-sufficient on food goes beyond being self-sufficient in anything else when it comes to national security. Being vulnerable to having your food cut off by another nation is idiotic at best, and treasonous at worst.

The Democrats, with their support of agrocorps like Archer Daniels Midland are just as bad, having supported the creation of a feudal type system where most farmers are nothing more than serfs working on land owned by the agrocorps. (Not that they aren't well compensated for their slavery, but they ultimately do not own the source of their income.)

Democrats are even worse when it comes to regulations such as the recent food inspection bills that would all but bankrupt small farmers by requiring insane levels of inspections of goods at every step of the production process.

The end result of all these regulations is going to be to destroy many small businesses and yield additional market share to the big corporations.

Government should not be involved in the regulation of interstate commerce, its history has been one of mismanagement, sloppiness and partisanship, with drastic swings between two extremes of taxing imports and free trade.

The interstate commerce clause was one of the two gigantic errors in the Constitution, the other was the necessary and proper clause. There was also mistakes made when the founders failed to forcefully state that the States and the Federal Government must use gold and silver and could not issue paper currency of any sort, or emit bills of credit.

They should have made it clear that it was unacceptable for the nation to go into debt, regardless of the reason.
 
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