Thinking about going bubbleponics? This should convince you...

But you can't do the same thing with a top drip dwc run the drip pump 24/7 and it uses the same highly oxygenated water that it's pumping also. I'm gussing the reason you could get away with it and rockwool as in the pic in this setup is simply because the line feeds under the rockwool so it doesn't flood the rockwool right? No matter how oxygenated the water is it can still probably drown a plant in rockwool if you apply too much water to the rockwool itself right or no?

*Runs for the hills*

"ROSEEEEMANNNN"

Sorry brother, all my knowledge is from him and PurpDaddy, I teach what I know, but I won't make assumptions and give false info. Hopefully one of them will pop back in with an explanation.


Until then..


It's exam time..

wooooooooooooooo

OregonMeds said:

But you can't do the same thing with a top drip dwc run the drip pump 24/7 and it uses the same highly oxygenated water that it's pumping also. I'm gussing the reason you could get away with it and rockwool as in the pic in this setup is simply because the line feeds under the rockwool so it doesn't flood the rockwool right? No matter how oxygenated the water is it can still probably drown a plant in rockwool if you apply too much water to the rockwool itself right or no?

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I think the idea is that the feeder tube is supposed to put water about halfway up the cube. In other words, where gravity will pull it down around the root but it will not flood upward and cause stem rot. But as you say, too much water could still drown it and if you used something like a rapid rooter that wicks water up better than rockwool it would be a problem. Of course your top drip could go thru a tube down to a given point too so your point is valid.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of what it means to deliver solution directly to the inner root zone instead of misting the outer roots. That's on the SH website, where they call it a breakthrough hydroponic technology. I still say it's a solution in search of a problem and claims that it grows better or faster are bogus. It reminds me of those old-fashioned TV ads touting new and improved this or that and it now has a new miracle ingredient - complete with those pictures of like rolaids eating all the excess stomach acid. Solution delivered to inner root zone my ass.

OregonMeds said:

I had the same question as above. Can you not use rockwool/hydroton with bubbleponics then if the pump is 24/7 sounds like it would drown the babies if you did. Just empty net cups with neoprene inserts only?

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We do use rockwool and hydroton rocks in bubbleponics, 99% of the time. That is the way ti is sold, anyway.
I have not grown with a DRIP and I do not have any experience with a DRIP, so it would be really assinine for me to talk about something I have no experience with. (as someone might do) But all I have read says the DRIP should be on a periodic timer, to prevent drowning of the plant and root base.
I have done 7 successful grows and harvests with the system tho, and never had mold, root rot, or a drowned plant, and I was running the water pump 24/7 for the first 4 weeks.

tmsculli said:

Ah, see the above concerns are ones that ROSEMAN enlightened me about. You are going to pull a Homer Simpson "Doh!" as soon as I explain it.


You have the air pump pumping ridiculous amounts of Oxygen into the water correct? Right. Now, you have a submersible water pump. Good, so, the submersible water pump takes in water from around it and then feeds it up through the tubes to the plants. What hasn't clicked in your mental image of the process is that the highly oxygenated water is being pumped into the net pots, not just flat out water. So, you can't drown them because you are pumping intensely oxygen rich water into their root system =]

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You can actually see lots of bubbles in the feeder tubes as the water flows to the root base.

Consider how many BubbleHeads are useing this system and over 60 starter kits a day are sold?

OregonMeds said:

But you can't do the same thing with a top drip dwc run the drip pump 24/7 and it uses the same highly oxygenated water that it's pumping also.

I do not know why not, I see no reason why not either, and I have seen many DIYers make a kit similar but use a top drip instead of the under the lid feeding and they had a successful grow.

I'm gussing the reason you could get away with it and rockwool as in the pic in this setup is simply because the line feeds under the rockwool so it doesn't flood the rockwool right? No matter how oxygenated the water is it can still probably drown a plant in rockwool if you apply too much water to the rockwool itself right or no?

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The feeder tubes butt into the rockwool cube, delivering a slight trickle, a very slight trickle of bubbley oxygen enriched water and nutes.

Again, I am not experienced with a DRIP or TOP feeder so I do not know. I do not like to just offer comments and advise about something I have no experience with, doesn't seem wise to me.

Wouldnt keeping the solution in the res filled up so that the baskets actually hang in the solution for the first few weeks like I do accomplish the same thing? I dont see the advantage of the water pump in my case. Please clarify

I wouldn't call it a breakthrough as they do but they're definetly onto somethin... After 30+ years in soil I will NEVER go back. The results are undeniable. And of course they're gonna talk it up and "sale" it... That's what they are there for. To make money. But that's not to say they're not onto something. I've never seen my plants look so healthy or grow as fast

Illegal... I'm all for answering questions and helping but this is starting to sound ignorant like an led vs hps thread. Lol. Ifu have any doubt post a pic of ur ladies at any point in growth I'm sure someone had the same strain in bp ur gonna be pissed when u see the difference or hell do a side by side. Come to think of it have u even grown or are growing? Let's see some bud prono

I just noticesd u signature telling me ur a typical igno... Ur so caught up in dwc and what works for u that u seem to think any variation or practice of any other method is just "not as good" so u feel the need to insult. I can tell u the only difference is ur cutting urself short by all means other than time... But there's a bonus u get to save 4 dollars a month by not running a pump

I have a picture of a cola that fills a wheelbarrow, another of one being loaded onto a railroad flatcar with a crane, and another of one that burst through the roof of a house and is now 20 feet above it. Pictures have become worse than statistics in being able to illustrate anything you want. And besides, if the assertion is the SH kit grows bigger and better plants than plain dwc, there are only a few thousand pictures on this site of plants grown in straight dwc. The very idea that pumping up a trickle of water is a breakthrough is ridiculous. What it is is an admittedly brilliant marketing gimmick that, at a time when droves of newbies have decided to grow marijuana, will cash in. It's like inventing the pet rock.

erkelsgoo420 said:

Illegal... I'm all for answering questions and helping but this is starting to sound ignorant like an led vs hps thread. Lol. Ifu have any doubt post a pic of ur ladies at any point in growth I'm sure someone had the same strain in bp ur gonna be pissed when u see the difference or hell do a side by side. Come to think of it have u even grown or are growing? Let's see some bud prono

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If that post is toward the Ostrich, I have him on IGNORE. Friends say he offers a lot of advice on this site about what he has never accomplished, grown and harvested a pot plant.

The tube provide the water were it is needed most - at the root level. The roots follow the water stream to the res and then you have a true DWC and can remove the tubes and the pump. Smile why don't you do a comparison grow. One with tubes and one without. It will cost you all of $20 for you to prove that you are right. Do your plant rooted clones or seedlings in your dwc? How much below the net pot is your water level?

Illegal Smile is seriously negative and ignorant. So what if the bubbleponics system is only a slight variation of regular DWC. The point is that slight variation works well and no one else thought to try it. You don't have to reinvent the wheel to make it better. If you think Bubbleponics isn't any good then that's your right but stop drowning us in your negative karma. There's always one asshole in the crowd that always tries to pull everyone else down with them.

-CB.

Here's thread which compares it in an actual growing situation

https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/249530-thinking-about-going-bubbleponics-should.html

Smile you have a picture of a plant busting through a roof? Please post

Wow, I wake up and go take an exam and I come back to this war? Gentleman, I am going to try and get to everyone's points, but my main thing is that I don't want this to turn into a flame fest. I posted these comparisons for everyone to see and pull their own conclusions from it. The title seems as though I was trying to "push" this method, and that is not the truth. My favorite part of this website is the intense wealth of knowledge that you can gain simply from reading other people's experiences. I have learned from who I consider some of the best at this method on this forum, and my only goal on here is to continue gaining knowledge while teaching what I have learned to other people.

Not too long ago I was someone knowing nothing, and now I am hoping to help people that were like me.

And for the ugly ass bird, I have heard plenty about you and do not plan on taking anything that you say to heart. You say you have pictures of absurd bud growth, and that is supposed to be proof that my comparison pictures aren't real? Photoshop is a wonderful thing. I doubt that the pictures you are talking about are real. What I can tell you is that I took those comparison pictures. I have over 200 pictures that I have taken of every plant I have grown thus far on damn near every day of it's growth. None have been modified, altered etc. The date comparisons are real. They are the correct times and dates. The only reason that you are choosing to call me out on it is because you don't know what you are talking about. You are a forum troll. Well troll, you're not welcome in my threads. Go chill under a bridge somewhere.






Now, I want to address some of the questions as opposed to the flames.

Someone asked about having the water level up into the net pots for seedlings. I have tried this and I drowned the seedlings. It was just a recent thing that I did to see if again the bubbleponics method was worth it. There are surely successes with this, but from my slight experience and research done on the subject, for whatever reason, it is more common for someone to drown their seedlings by raising the water level than with the feeder lines.

I think that this may be because there is a bit of a misunderstanding with the feeder lines. The irrigation hubs are either adjustable anywhere from .5 gph to 5gph or even more. My hub is fixed at 2 gph. This is NOT MUCH WATER AT ALL. I think that this is the important part. If you were to have the water level higher, it would be constantly soaking in the solution, being more prone to drown and keeping it at maximum saturation. I would think that the extremely slow release of water from the feeder tubes has to do with the safety of not drowning your plants with this method.


I am trying to answer the best that I can, but what you need to realize is that regardless of whether what I said above is true or not, those pictures are. It is tried and true with my personal experience. I tried to share my personal experience and knowledge gains on the comparisons with others to promote interest, not conflict.


If anyone wishes to be constructive or ask something, feel free too! I still want to try and help people.

As for the trolls -------> bridge.


thanks

Well done and thank you!

I'm setting up a DIY five-gallon bucket system, I think I'm gonna tube-feed three of four plants, should I post pics?

drabstab said:

I'm setting up a DIY five-gallon bucket system, I think I'm gonna tube-feed three of four plants, should I post pics?

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Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics Tutorial - Marijuana Growing < w/ 5 gallon bucket



I'd suggest you start a new thread, a grow journal, with pics.