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karmas a bitch

karmas a bitch

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I kept a couple diff phenos of shish99. The one I have labeled as number 2 is already starting to go purple leaves at 6 days of flower. That's cool it's a genetic thing. I thought it was the winter temps. The buds from this one are really sour grape smelling. Its not one of the hippo dick makers either. But I still like it.
 
Dizzle Frost

Dizzle Frost

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Sounds pretty tight! I actually just seen a thread here about Mosca C99 lol, the dude said he was on the fence about it, i guess it performed in hydro but his soil grow was so so.
 
Dizzle Frost

Dizzle Frost

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karmas a bitch said:
Here you go dizzle. It was 10 packs he popped

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=207222
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Thanks mang....woah! thats the kinda grow i dream about! i wish i could pop 10 packs of one thing. The sativa phenos looked legit to me, but ive never seen indica phenos like that , if he wouldnt have stated it was all C99 ida thought some of those plants were hybrids, a few of my Blueberry x Cindys looked liek some of his wider leafed plants. They all looked dank tho , from what ive seen KOS is prolly the most legit for public sale. My plants looked identical to the ones i seen from KOS.

Someone said a grower was running my C99 on ICmag? im not a member there so i dotn really look
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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i saw that mosca grow a week or two ago, it is is pretty epic. I have a 6 pack of those to try sometime. Did you guys see the c99 f1s mosca has now? It's supposed to be more pineapple and less of the grapefruit phenos I guess.

My C99 F4s are coming along nicely. They all are very similar and vigorous. I put a couple in flower to sex them yesterday and in a couple weeks I will harvest my flower room and put the big females in. They are going to be monsterous I think.
 
Dizzle Frost

Dizzle Frost

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Thats what i never understood about his line, the Bx and the F1 tags. I havnt seen his new stuff , but i wanna now lol Fuck i wish had a terpine list handy , is there one?

Which pheno did you grow Pipe? i wanna say 3 but im bad im the mem dept haha
 
BuilttoEnjoy

BuilttoEnjoy

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Dizzle Frost said:
Thats what i never understood about his line, the Bx and the F1 tags. I havnt seen his new stuff , but i wanna now lol Fuck i wish had a terpine list handy , is there one?

Which pheno did you grow Pipe? i wanna say 3 but im bad im the mem dept haha
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Hey Dizzle, Here's a quote frome one of Mosca's testers:

"Here is the breakdown for everyone, Mosca has Reeferman's F4 and Wallyduck's F5, The Reef line was selected and inbred for the Pink Candy Grapefruit phenotype, while the Wally Line was selected and inbred for the Pineapple Phenotype, Mosca's "Prize Male" is his Wallyduck F5 Pineapple. The reason his Cindy is considered an F1, is because the lines were so diverged, essentially they were two different things, most people consider an F4 as stable(if selection is done correctly, that's the big difference between a Breeder and a Chucker), He used a Reef's Pink Candy Grapefruit C99 as the F1's mother, he used his Wally's (prize male) F5 as the father, both being their own thing, being used as P1's, it demonstrates F1-like hybrid vigor because of that genetics difference, A 50% PCGF C99 & A 50% Pineapple C99, this is how he created his Mosca C99 F1. The C99 BX-1 is a female F1 he made, recrossed to his Wallyduck's F5 prize male.
F1----(Reefs f4 mom x Wly's f5 dad)
Bx-1----{(Reefs f4 mom x Wly's f5 dad)mom x Wly's F5 dad}
The Pineapple yields better, so the BX-1 and the F1 yield the same, with the BX-1 you have a greater chance at the pineapple pheno, than with the F1. Flower time is same length, and any yield lost in the BX-1 is offset because you're supposed to be looking for the Pineapple if you get the BX-1, and the F1 is to find a pheno of each, and a blended pheno."

I hope this helps~BuilttoEnjoy
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
K friends got a question for you guys, say i had a single plant about 2 weeks into flower, lights come on at
12pm and go off at 12am. And what has to happen there is no choice :( but i need to change the timing on
it to lights on at 12am to off at 12pm. I have never done this lol but what is the worst case scenario?
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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BuilttoEnjoy said:
Hey Dizzle, Here's a quote frome one of Mosca's testers:

"Here is the breakdown for everyone, Mosca has Reeferman's F4 and Wallyduck's F5, The Reef line was selected and inbred for the Pink Candy Grapefruit phenotype, while the Wally Line was selected and inbred for the Pineapple Phenotype, Mosca's "Prize Male" is his Wallyduck F5 Pineapple. The reason his Cindy is considered an F1, is because the lines were so diverged, essentially they were two different things, most people consider an F4 as stable(if selection is done correctly, that's the big difference between a Breeder and a Chucker), He used a Reef's Pink Candy Grapefruit C99 as the F1's mother, he used his Wally's (prize male) F5 as the father, both being their own thing, being used as P1's, it demonstrates F1-like hybrid vigor because of that genetics difference, A 50% PCGF C99 & A 50% Pineapple C99, this is how he created his Mosca C99 F1. The C99 BX-1 is a female F1 he made, recrossed to his Wallyduck's F5 prize male.
F1----(Reefs f4 mom x Wly's f5 dad)
Bx-1----{(Reefs f4 mom x Wly's f5 dad)mom x Wly's F5 dad}
The Pineapple yields better, so the BX-1 and the F1 yield the same, with the BX-1 you have a greater chance at the pineapple pheno, than with the F1. Flower time is same length, and any yield lost in the BX-1 is offset because you're supposed to be looking for the Pineapple if you get the BX-1, and the F1 is to find a pheno of each, and a blended pheno."

I hope this helps~BuilttoEnjoy
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good info. I wasn't aware of what the backcross referred too. I figured it was an orginal bros grimm c99 from before these lines were worked. That makes sense now that the backcross would have more PA phenos. It does get confusing when you start getting into what a p1 is and so forth. If you think about it, c99 was already an IBL so any continuation should technically been f-whatever but not 1 or 2. IMO, in order to create an F1 hybrid, you have to use 2 completely different lines. Think about it, the thing that gives them the hybrid vigor is that they are unrelated and recessive combinations are extremely unlikely in that generation. Only the dominant genes will be evident and stable if the parents are true breeding. For these we can say that really it's just a IBL that has been worked by two seperate breeders and they chose to focus on different aroma phenotypes. Other than that, they are basically still the same line and probably breed true for many other characteristics but I think the "hybrid vigor" statement is nothing more than advertising. Their products look good though.
I remember getting very confused about Joey Weed's Blueberry as well. "we are offering this in F2 form" What the hell does that even mean? BB is an F3 or F4 or something so how do you go backwards? He said the pollen came from DJ Short himself, so maybe it was BB F1 pollen but even then it's not an F2 but then again it's even less of a f1 and nowhere near being a stable continuation, F5 F6 etc. I just chalk it up to F2 being synanomous(sp?) with copies since most "strains" are F1s. For what it's worth, i grew 2 of the blueberries and got 2 very different plants so F2 is a pretty fair description. Also, it seems like someone else's F2 could be your own P1 true breeding parent and continuing someone else's line could result in a totally different type of plants unless your selecting for the same qualities as the original breeder, so it's really hard to put labels on it like that.

Dizzle I'm growing the Pineapple obviously ;). They have been treating me well, 100% germ, very stable growth and even I can get some cuts to root. :mrgreen:
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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hellraizer30 said:
K friends got a question for you guys, say i had a single plant about 2 weeks into flower, lights come on at
12pm and go off at 12am. And what has to happen there is no choice :( but i need to change the timing on
it to lights on at 12am to off at 12pm. I have never done this lol but what is the worst case scenario?
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Flowering is induced by the amount of dark they get. You can flower girls with 24 hours on and then 12 hours off if you wanted to from what I understand. So you can do whatever you want as long as they don't start recieving less than 12 hours darkness at a time. I am assuming that heat or electreicity is the reason for the change so just leaving the light off for a day like Lil B said would probably be the most sensible option.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Thanks pipe dream! Wish i had a other options this dam blazing blue just geting to big for the little area its in so im trying to move her to the big room :)
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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hellraizer30 said:
Thanks pipe dream! Wish i had a other options this dam blazing blue just geting to big for the little area its in so im trying to move her to the big room :)
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well you might get a lil stretch if you go longer dark period, especially if they are still growing. IDK. Good luck.

What is blazing blues?
 
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