The Seed Collectors Thread

bombudburner

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BatMaN SKuNK said:
Photosynthesis relies principally on a large amount of energy absorbed from the high end of the visible light spectrum. In this respect, it is the most important portion of the light spectrum to plant life The red-light-wavelength energy absorbed by the plant cells combines with carbon dioxide and water to manufacture simple plants sugars in mesophyll cells that are embedded near the top and bottom surface layers of leaves and, in a few plants, the green stalks or stems as well. The more red light energy applied to the chloroplast cells the more intensely and quickly those cells carry out photosynthesis.

So in a way, more red does = more bud. As long as your light penetration is there too. It goes without saying you need bright light.
So of course light penetration is important. But spectrum easily just as important. I have gone a whole cycle on MH before. The buds midway thru the canopy were more airy and yield was less for sure. There's not a single person who can convince me MH is better for flower and if that was true so many of us would allready be doing it. The red spectrum the sun emits in late summer months is what you should be trying to produce.. like I said before tho, if you can add blue spectrum light as well, youre certainly better off.. but most will not.

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I agree with the MH HPS combo being best. I also think it's impossible to compare MH to HPS because every bulb is different. You really have to compare specific bulbs with each other. Here are the charts for the Eye Blue MH, then the Hortilux super hps, then the ushio opti red. Keep in mind that the red spectrum the plants need most is around 660 nm. If these charts are accurate and useful, then the eye blue is twice as strong in this range. My opinion only, but the eye blue has the most balanced spectrum of any MH or HPS i've seen.
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TheLastWood

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I agree spectrum is extremely important and that's why I'm saying cmh has hps beat. I never said flowering under a mh would yield more than a hps but to say more red = more bud would mean a completely red bulb would be most effective when infact it is a very small portion of the spectrum that can be used for growth........ I think the problem were having agreeing is that when it comes to growing red is a VERY general, vague word. There aree many types of red and even other colors inside the "red" spectrum like yellow and orange. ........ having flowered with 400w eye horti hps and 400w cmh I prefer the cmh. I would DEFINATELY flower with a hps over a mh any day.
 
BatMaN SKuNK

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Personally I think flowering with anything less than a 600w hps was just a waste of time. I used a 400 years ago and the difference in the end weight was so drastically different than with a 600w ballast. I even at one point used 2 400w side by side. Still wasn't the same. But three 600w hps with the hoods close to one another.. I pulled some serious weight. I would love to change my setup to have 4 hoods side by side with a really long and wide 900w Blackstar LED shining on the same HPS footprint. Now that setup would crank out some huge football colas. Before I invested that kind of cash tho... I might look into the Plasma ballasts with a split A/C.
 
TheChosen

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glad it worked out for you kab what are you spraying nowadays? Finishing up my last dabs from querkle trim this evening and gonna run my last bit of OG18 tomorrow.
 
bombudburner

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BatMaN SKuNK said:
Personally I think flowering with anything less than a 600w hps was just a waste of time. I used a 400 years ago and the difference in the end weight was so drastically different than with a 600w ballast. I even at one point used 2 400w side by side. Still wasn't the same. But three 600w hps with the hoods close to one another.. I pulled some serious weight. I would love to change my setup to have 4 hoods side by side with a really long and wide 900w Blackstar LED shining on the same HPS footprint. Now that setup would crank out some huge football colas. Before I invested that kind of cash tho... I might look into the Plasma ballasts with a split A/C.
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I checked into the gavita plasma lights, and while they have a great spectrum they're more of a supplemental light. I would go with that over an led though for supplemental lighting.
 
SketchyGrower

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BatMaN SKuNK said:
Personally I think flowering with anything less than a 600w hps was just a waste of time. I used a 400 years ago and the difference in the end weight was so drastically different than with a 600w ballast. I even at one point used 2 400w side by side. Still wasn't the same. But three 600w hps with the hoods close to one another.. I pulled some serious weight. I would love to change my setup to have 4 hoods side by side with a really long and wide 900w Blackstar LED shining on the same HPS footprint. Now that setup would crank out some huge football colas. Before I invested that kind of cash tho... I might look into the Plasma ballasts with a split A/C.
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Kind of how I run my set up 4 600s close together forming a square.
 
wheezer

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After my last run, and seeing what I'm seeing, and hearing what I'm hearing, my next run is gonna go like this.... MH first 2 weeks of bloom, then switch to HPS, and then hang vertical MH for every 2 HPS for the last 2 weeks. I know it's alot of extra heat, but maybe I can make it work on a mover or something, and I think I ki9ght cut the lit hours back to 9 or 10 to save the power a little. There's no perfect bulb for the whole grow that's for sure. I would run duel arcs cause I think they are pretty damn close to being able to do it, but the cost of the bulb itself, and the loss in lumens make em' just out of useful reach IMO.
 
cerberus

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BatMaN SKuNK said:
It would certainly work.. but you'd be much better off running the Hortilux Super HPS in bloom since it has way more Red spectrum and a decent amount of blue. That would make more sense than more blue and less red.. or a chep-o hps with mostly red and very little blue.

What we are looking for..
I myself prefer the Ushio Opt
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lol

ACTUALLY what i have settled on is a few EYE super HPS in parabolic hoods up high (2 or 3) and then the remainer of watts in 400 MH eye hortilux's, i'm guessing about 2 or 3K of 400's, so (5-7)400's 400s and (2-3)K's HPS..

but TheRev suggests flowering under only MH bulbs(or LED's but fuck that noise) and i have totally noticed a huge difference when i ran 1K EYE MH and 2K EYE super HPS's versus 3K EYE super HPS..

FYI: i only buy EYE, i'll do a sunmaster blue if i'm in a pinch for a veg, but i preffer EYE's, i look into the Ushio's..
 
cerberus

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dickkhead said:
interesting! but doesnt genetics play a strong role? isnt a seed predetermined to be male or female?
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nope. the environment it is born into tells it that. remember a pplant has the option to change mid way if it 'feels' the need to.. we call it hermie.. :/

the seed is a genetic map, but it's sex isn't begun to be determined until a few weeks after sprout, when the first set of nodes appear.
 
bombudburner

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Looks like attitude is gearing up for a bodhi drop. So far, afkansastan x x18, dream lotus, love triangle, and orange sunshine have been added.
 
BatMaN SKuNK

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cerberus said:
lol

ACTUALLY what i have settled on is a few EYE super HPS in parabolic hoods up high (2 or 3) and then the remainer of watts in 400 MH eye hortilux's, i'm guessing about 2 or 3K of 400's, so (5-7)400's 400s and (2-3)K's HPS..

but TheRev suggests flowering under only MH bulbs(or LED's but fuck that noise) and i have totally noticed a huge difference when i ran 1K EYE MH and 2K EYE super HPS's versus 3K EYE super HPS..

FYI: i only buy EYE, i'll do a sunmaster blue if i'm in a pinch for a veg, but i preffer EYE's, i look into the Ushio's..
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parabolic are the shit. i have a minsunsoaker from HTG and despite how cheap and basic it is, i feel i get better light penetration in my canopy than i do with my ait cooled easycool reflectors. only downside, u cant cool it. i run a elevated box fan near it that just blows that air across the top of the canopy.
 
karmas a bitch

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TheChosen said:
glad it worked out for you kab what are you spraying nowadays? Finishing up my last dabs from querkle trim this evening and gonna run my last bit of OG18 tomorrow.
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Its a crazy mix. Bunch of everything. I really like this vac purger but I gotta get an electric pump to go with it cause that hand pump is to much work. Lol. I wanna get a 30 gr glass tube for some a11 oil. And for blue dream,707, space princess. I like making this stuff. Even if I barely smoke.
 
shizniz34

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There will be another delivery coming soon with tigers milk,temple, elf snack, space mountain, orange sunshine, yo mama and love triangle."

Was told this in a message from the tude​
 
shizniz34

shizniz34

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"We already placed an order. It should be shipped out soon. I would say a week or two hopefully"

That was in response to when they would have grape stomper bx2 and other ggg in stock. I found this out earlier this morning. ​
 
juts

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what are some good $30 indica/dom. indica strains? [that doesnt knock me out completely but still get so f'd up] gimme atleast 5 to choose from lol
ima get 3 of those

TIA guys!
 
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