virulient
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He said you weren't funny in the third sentence. I thought you only read the first? Seems like you didn't really think that one through...
The real deal about LED's
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hoss12781
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It wouldn't be an led thread without foot clan along for the troll. Its super easy folks add him to your ignore list. @ footclan - get a fucking life man. Is there really nothing better for you to do than flame out every led thread on this site? Go ahead and reply if you like I won't be able to read it.
ledgrowing
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leds are great lights buy good ones not blackstar i own 3 and there low quality less than a year two are half burnt out and its in the board exspensive to fix. and no help at all from gotham, email get ignored
cannawizard
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*really.. thnx for the input...
which ones would you consider 'good' ?
hoss12781
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I would suggest picking up the phone during business hours. Blackstars are supposed to be under a 1 year warranty. They aren't the best in the business but certainly aren't the worst. If that fails contact the Better Business Bureau. I've seen some kickass blackstar journals but have read too many sketchy things about gotham's business practices that led me to purchase from a different company - no hate directed to the blackstar users out there, just my personal choice based on other's posts and the 1 year warranty vs the 3 year offered by others. Seriously call them man, if that doesn't work call the BBB - that usually solicits an immediate response.
Lucius Vorenus
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Whats with the Blackstar hate? Are the reps from Blackstar even on this site to answer questions?
FootClan
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whats all these threads you speak of?? the only one i remeber is the 900 page one and i didnt even enter it tell after 800 pages and i only posted something because the guy who started its first sentece was " cant think of any reason not to use leds light......So i jumped in with a sarcastic responce and then everyone started going crazy and getting all butt hurt i thought the gross over reaction was amusing......at that time i had not realized how snobby led growers could be...... I talked to some people at work and the owner of the store about the gross over reaction on the forums and he didnt seem suprised, he said he sees the same attitude from his led grower friends. He said he cant discuss anything led related with them or they freak on him... So i guess its common thing you guys getting butt hurt and blasting anyone that says anything opposed to your view point.... So knowing that i wont take it personal because you guys cant help it i guess.....And im not lumping every led grower togeather sure there is plenty of led growers that arent as i discribed(Like cannawizard dosent bias etc etc) but it sucks that you non bias non snobby growers are getting lumped in with them......
And as far has dick head magoo, at this point hes so jaded towards me that it dosent matter what i say or dont say i could say 2 plus 2 equals 4 and he would respond with " your ignorant troll" LOL ............
And as far has dick head magoo, at this point hes so jaded towards me that it dosent matter what i say or dont say i could say 2 plus 2 equals 4 and he would respond with " your ignorant troll" LOL ............
Devilspawn
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Cant say response is bad from them- HAd a power supply go bad last week and one was sent out right away- It is plug & play. Had half of array blinking for three days The contact form on their website isnt the greatest..Need to contact Vic directly and he respsnds within 24 hrs. I did order a Mag 357 because I was concerned it would totally go mid flower, so now I have both in the cab...
FootClan
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oh your right i read 3 sentences....lol you totally proved that everything i said is wrong by proving that i read 3 sentences and not 1...and your point is?? oh wait there is not point........
virulient
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There is no point. Think about it. If I said something, that didn't make a point, that was mildly funny.....maybe it didn't warrant a response. Maybe the appropriate response is "ha", then move on with your life. You have a lot of growing up to do if you take THAT personally.
808toker
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Anyone got anything to say about the led tube lights? i use a t-8 setup to keep my girls in veg and i saw some led lights that you can just replace your old fluro bulbs with and i wonder if they are worth the price? heres the link http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/agroled-t8-size-led-tubes-2blue-and-2red-kit-p-3418.html
cannawizard
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Specifications:
Use
Replaces up to a typical 600 watt HPS
Hi-Power LED Composition
Engineered light response, tailored specifically to enhance and promote plant growth. This includes both water and nitrogen absorption.
Un-useable and un-desirable light spectrum components such as Infrared and Ultraviolet are excluded by design.
Electrical Characteristics
Operating voltage: 90 to 265 VAC
Operating frequency: Patented proprietary synchronized pulse operation.
Typical power consumption: 1335mA typical
Synchronization
Light fixtures pulse rate is synchronized via standard CAT 5 cable.
Light Pattern
110 deg from vertical axis
Weight and Dimensions
Weight: 10kG (22.3lbs) shipping, 8kG (16.4lbs) hanging.
Length: 29.5 in., 79.93 cm.
Width: 8.5 in., 21.59 cm.
Height: 5 in., 12.70 cm.
Mounting Hardware: adjustable track eyelet bolts.
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Certification and Conformance
CE, UL and CSA
Other Characteristics
LED estimated life span: 70,000 hrs average continuous use, to 30% decrease in initial Lumens.
Operating luminary position: any position possible
Maximum surface temperature: 85 F.
Operating temperature (indoor use only): 82 F.
Run-up time (100% of final value) : instantaneous.
Re-strike delay: none
Integrated power supply; requires no "ballast"
Enhanced Light Output- Unlike "broad spectrum" plant grow lights, which produce a lot of light plants can't use efficiently, LEDAgro Grow Lights enhance the colors of light used by plants for efficient and healthy growth. By boosting light plants need and delivering greater intensity through our patented delivery methods we save power and money.
**looks like its in the right nms range
no expert.. but looks like a good replacement t8 worth trying
dannyboy602
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I know. I want them horizontal too. Gotta fix that.danny your grow looks great! only suggestion id have is to flip t5s 90 degrees so they run their long way down the row of plants. might get better coverage that way. can't wait to see how big the buds will get with all that LED and then the t5s in addition
Hey it's cap'n crunch....nice avi...I messed up the upload or copied the wrong link IDK. I'm not very good at tech stuff. Thx for checking out my grow and if these deliver (I'll know in a month) I'm getting more LED's. The best part so far is no heat.
Nikolaj06
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I just have one comment on the whole blackstar issue.. They lie either about wavelengths used or LEDs used.. Cree does not manufacture 660 nm LED's... So they probably lie when saying it is all Cree... I hope, because 660 nm is pretty vital to have...
Also here is a very knowledgeable post about LED's.. The wattage is not really what is important anymore. If I should trust a grow light company they should write the bin range of the LEDs they use! http://www.gardenscure.com/420/lighting/117772-how-build-your-diy-led-array.html
The bin is the efficiency of the LED.. (like lumens per watt in most cases)
Also here is a very knowledgeable post about LED's.. The wattage is not really what is important anymore. If I should trust a grow light company they should write the bin range of the LEDs they use! http://www.gardenscure.com/420/lighting/117772-how-build-your-diy-led-array.html
The bin is the efficiency of the LED.. (like lumens per watt in most cases)
cannawizard
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*thnx for the link brah
Kaptain Kron
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not sure where you got your info from but i can find 660nm cree's everywhere so lets keep it to info thats actually truthful. Good link though
cannawizard
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hoss12781
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Here is why I wouldn't buy these
1.) We don't know which type of leds they are employing - just says red, blue and white
2.) The individual diode strength is totally weak - simple math tells us that each tube is listed as producing 22w but has 288 individual diodes - each diode is pumping out a mere .076w, you won't get any kind of decent penetration with that low a wattage, you'll want something that is driven to at least 2.1w per diode to make things run proper.
3.) No mention of warranty
4.) No fans to cool the diodes - although this may not be an issue since they are so low wattage to begin with.
5.) Total bands - you're only getting three, most 2011 model led lights from reputable companies are going to use at least 6 bands. My GLH ufo uses 12 bands. They won't hit all the right spots to encourage comprehensive growth.
6.) Price - that's really expensive for 88w of low per diode wattage led. For $260 bucks you could probably find a blackstar 240, hydroponics hut pro grow 180, or a similar wattage Grow LED Hydro unit - all of which have been, for the most part, well reviewed on this board.
My garden met with success using mostly the hydro hut lights, but thats just me. Not trying to be mean at all, sorry if you've already purchased - hopefully I've helped steer you away as I'm quite positive this will not give you what you want. When researching which led is right for you look for the type of diode employed - cree, bridgelux, epistar are the big three. Ask about warranty - if a company really stands behind their product they'll back it for at least three years. Remember these are supposed to last 50,000 plus hours. Ask if the wattage advertised is the total chip capacity or the wattage to which the diodes are driven - there is a huge difference - see the blackstar rants. Ask for a spec sheet. Look for journals to see what others have done with the light you're considering. Hope this helps man.
Nikolaj06
Active Member
Where? Give me a link to a Cree 660nm data sheet. Mouser doesn't have any, Digikey doesn't have any... Cree's website doesn't show anything when searching... Where.. Tell me where are those Cree High Power LED's you speak of? And don't say that you've seen growlights with them, because that is not proof...
Kaptain Kron
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you should look more closely at their spectrum chart, technically its a 630-660nm led it produces most of its wavelength at less than 660nm so maybe this is what you refer to. Im not going to argue that luxeon makes better leds in that NM but all i am saying is that cree has a leds that have spectrum in the 660 range.