The real deal about LED's

Kaptain Kron

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This thread is not to argue about who is a better manufacturer it is SHEERLY about FACT and FACT ONLY.

This thread is for those of us in the AMC section that are growin with LED's whatever the manufacturer that are trying to increase our yield and performance. Now you may come to realize that the led you bought is not as good as s1 elses. Thats ok were not here to claim one is better than the other. We're here to discuss facts and if that ends up actually shedding some light on what LED is actually the top LED on the market so be it. That will just be an added bonus to this thread. Lets not make it the focus of the thread though.

Lets keep the focus of this thread to methods on growing with LED's for improving quality and quantity.

Remember were here to learn and share what we have learned not talk shit because you only spent 200 bucks on a LED panel. If its producing its producing and thats what im interested in and im sure most people using them.

Personally i am using a kessil and a blackstar right now. So far i've come to find the kessil does not have the trichome production of the blackstar, however 3 kessils will blow the holy living hell out of the blackstar for yeild and they use 20 less watts total. I believe the trichome issue is due to UV. I've also learned from using these lights that more lights of a lower wattage over a larger area actually increases your saturation point for light. Meaning if you got a 300w panel and covered a 3x3 area with it versus me getting 3 slightly smaller footprint lights and convering a 3x3 area i would have actually have more wattage crammed into a smaller space. Lets take the kessils for instance.

I could choose to have 1 h350 magenta covering a 3x3 area or i could take 3 kessils and cover the 3x3 area. Slightly more pricey in the kessils case to do it this way, however not all companys are the same. With blackstar for instance i could run 2 240 panels and have better results than s1 using one of their 500 or 600w panels. Reason y is same amount of light spread more effectively over a larger area.

The formula for LED's is more lights, less wattage, more area covered, so more quantity pulled. This is what i've learned so far from doing 4 runs with these.

Alright wizard heres your thread now what you got to say man on the subject?

PS. something i need to add and its very important there will be NO comparing of LED's to ANY other light tech in this thread if i can help it, if i do it myself please feel free to call me on it its important we keep this thread that way so no HPSvLED or LEDvT5 or Plasma or whatever the fuck lighting you want to argue about does not come into play here. Its about GROWING with LED's

Keep it to LED's and lets have fun guys.
 

Kaptain Kron

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thats right wizard put that ban hammer in the upright position ready to bring down the pain lol ;) good finally a thread we can use to be informative you keep that kessil porn comn man not many of us can afford the awesome spinny pimpness you got goin on lol. you and your cool toys lol
 

davoswavos

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The thing your forgetting is the blackstar 500s penetrate better than 240s. It is all about what you want to accomplish if your doing sog then multiple lights over a larger area would be ideal but 1 or 2 plants under a 500 will do some great things and have a big monster plant. I do see where your going with this though the only thing led's really lack anymore is a big footprint they have coma along ways and done some great things for penetration in the last couple years though. the best thing someone to do is get what works best for there grow not everyone likes to grow the same way. And I will take more potent weed over quantity any day and I'm sure I'm not alone on that one. I grow for myself I'm not a greedy drug dealer.
 

virulient

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Why would the 500 penetrate better than the 240? They use the same 3w chips, just less of them no?

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Kaptain Kron

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how is it going to penetrate better davos it uses the same leds powered at the same 50% rate that 500 panel is just more of the 3w leds its a larger panel thats all not more penetration. Just food for thought for ya, i've done years of research on this. The blackstars are great but that 500 wont do any more than cover slightly more than 1 240 panel will. More Led's dont mean more penetration, they would have to drive them to a higher power wich would kill reliability according to gotham, and we all like warranties. All blackstars are made with 3w cree LEDs driven to 50% power for them to achieve the "500 watts" its something like 166 leds versus the 80 in a 240 panel. They are spread out over a larger area on the panel surface the 500 panel is also bigger than the 240
 

Kaptain Kron

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YOU ARE CORRECT SIR! you win a prize =) sorry about earlier i was dealing with other ignorance and it spilled over into my posting with you welcome to the thread i hope it helps you.


Why would the 500 penetrate better than the 240? They use the same 3w chips, just less of them no?

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virulient

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YOU ARE CORRECT SIR! you win a prize =) sorry about earlier i was dealing with other ignorance and it spilled over into my posting with you welcome to the thread i hope it helps you.
I'd like to apologize too, I was very in-mature earlier! Thanks for, what looks to be, an awesome new LED thread!
 

Kaptain Kron

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t5's are cheaper, they have mercury in them have fun when one of those bulbs blows over ur plants, oh and t5's are FUCKIN HOT AS FUCK are u kidding me? Ever sit under one and train plants not fun. LEDs run WAY colder than t5's produce more nug generally speaking depending on how many t5's ur using oh and use a hell of a lot less power still.

I question whether you read the OP or not man, i specifically asked for people with LED experience only this is not a i have questions about LED's thread its a how to grow with them and increase your yield and quality dont post unless you have something regarding that subject to add. Its going to convolute this thread which is what we dont want. Your welcome to follow along though.
 

virulient

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I would argue that LEDs not only cut out bulb changes, use less heat, and less electricity. Not to mention most of the new lights have adjustable color output allowing you to dial in the optimal spectrum for your certain condition/stage, etc...with ease.

That being said I think Kron made this post to discuss LEDs, and the variables concerning LED grows, so I think we should stick to that topic.
 

Joedank

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sweet man i like this already
So to throw this out there what is the highest / most effective to put on a mover to get uv in my room all the way across this spanView attachment 1790656
or is it a losing battle ? i was looking into a blackstar or kessil on a horizontal six foot mover....:blsmoke:
i currently run a sunmaster cooldeluxe halide lamp for ripening.... it works nicely due to its high purple spectrum but i want to go led or some such i think???
 

Myles117

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sweet man i like this already
So to throw this out there what is the highest / most effective to put on a mover to get uv in my room all the way across this spanView attachment 1790656
or is it a losing battle ? i was looking into a blackstar or kessil on a horizontal six foot mover....:blsmoke:
man if you went vertical bulbs you could ligh tthat room using half the bulbs you have in there. looks like huge overkill imo
 

Joedank

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i am in the process of that but lets stick to the topic at hand come to my thread to see me go vert this month!!! but with all six still in the room oh shit!! i pull enough to warrent the six lamps... oh and its sealed with co2 at 1000 ppm at 75, 40% humidity... oh and 3000 watts would hardly light 150 sq ft..... trolls are out tonight...lol
 

Kaptain Kron

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Cool man thanks for stoppin by Ill check out your other thread, i had to edit my first post to make sure we keep this thread to about growin with LED's only, Using them as a booster for your HPS setup counts though and is important as well because LED's can add helpful UV as well as other spectrum to help boost growth over your HPS. So that being said if your lookin for UV go with the blackstar. Im doin a scrog with a waterfarm and i got a blackstar on the left side of my 3x3 cab and a kessil on the right, its a magenta. The kessil is producin just as much but trichome production is down on the kessil side versus the blackstar side and its ONE PLANT.... WTF right? Its the kessil its the only thing that makes any sense because my canopy is dead nuts even and spread out pretty nice. So grab a 240w blackstar and rock it out man cheap and produces lots of trichs, since your using it as a booster you dont need to worry about the slightly lower yield of the blackstar as that is not your main purpose with it.

Sounds cool man ill stop by your other thread.
 

Joedank

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blackstar it is then!! i was leaning that way but the wizard was getting me confused with his shiny new gear... glad you have had both awhile rep for you gangster!!
 

Kaptain Kron

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wizard has some awesome new gear but hes the uv master so he shouldnt be too worried about the kessils less uv output, dont get me wrong they pump out trichs too but not like the blakcstars, but if you added a lil UV bulbage to a kessil setup it would be super sick which i think is where wizard is going to end up going after he runs a base test if hes smart. LOL
 
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