The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

jela10

Well-Known Member
Funny...I mentioned earlier on this thread ....the smell of Cannazyme turns me on for some reason...some folks like the smell of gasoline. For me is cannazyme....to me it smells like some roasted grains and hops during a factory tour of Anheuser Busch. I guess it could smell like piss, if you drank some first (LOL).
 

jetcty

New Member
this is what they said...
the product is designed to be used with a medium, not to soft or hard, source water, which has less to do with calcium and more to do with chemistry in that we plan on the chemistry afforded by the presence of about 60 ppm multivalent ions (Ca, Mg, or others). These are not used by the plant but do provide some longer term stability to the tendency of water to form its own carbonates when free Calcium, from the applied nutrient load, is added. In the end, we like to see an existing EC of about 0.10 or about 60-100 ppm at 0.5 conversion. i said we like to see, not that it is required. so you see, your water, if it is multivalent ions giving the 0.16 EC (80-120ppm), is perfect.
A single application of GW (great white) to a transplant or seedling in a container of medium that has no history or organic activity, and given the decomposition characteristics of coco with general decomposers, it will be weeks before even a fraction of the microbes can be fed with what is given off by the coco. The appearance of issues from this will probably occur within 48 hours of application, especially if you went light handed on the first feeding. Again, as a scientist, a degreed Horticulturist with over 38 years growing experience, i would not put the stuff on straight coco, period.

this is me again... ph is 5.9-6.0 i calibrate often. i only used the Great White at transplant and I'm anal about measuring nutes...
did you discover the need for calmag on your own or did canna at some point tell you to use it?
im so frustrated...
 

jberry

Well-Known Member
this is what they said...
the product is designed to be used with a medium, not to soft or hard, source water, which has less to do with calcium and more to do with chemistry in that we plan on the chemistry afforded by the presence of about 60 ppm multivalent ions (Ca, Mg, or others). These are not used by the plant but do provide some longer term stability to the tendency of water to form its own carbonates when free Calcium, from the applied nutrient load, is added. In the end, we like to see an existing EC of about 0.10 or about 60-100 ppm at 0.5 conversion. i said we like to see, not that it is required. so you see, your water, if it is multivalent ions giving the 0.16 EC (80-120ppm), is perfect.
A single application of GW (great white) to a transplant or seedling in a container of medium that has no history or organic activity, and given the decomposition characteristics of coco with general decomposers, it will be weeks before even a fraction of the microbes can be fed with what is given off by the coco. The appearance of issues from this will probably occur within 48 hours of application, especially if you went light handed on the first feeding. Again, as a scientist, a degreed Horticulturist with over 38 years growing experience, i would not put the stuff on straight coco, period.

this is me again... ph is 5.9-6.0 i calibrate often. i only used the Great White at transplant and I'm anal about measuring nutes...
did you discover the need for calmag on your own or did canna at some point tell you to use it?
im so frustrated...
Basically the coco coir itself can hold around 60-100ppm of (mostly) cal/mag and it then acts as a pH buffer... The plant cannot absorb calcium until the coco coir gets that 60-100ppm buffer filled first...

Your water is filtered and comes out at 70-80 ppm of unknown minerals/undisolved solids, so I would doubt your water is providing the"presence of about 60 ppm multivalent ions (Ca, Mg, or others)" that Canna "plans on"being present inyour water source, and it definitely isnt the "60-100 ppm" that they "like to see"... So it's possible that the 70-80 ppm in your water could contain very little "multivalent ions of (Ca, Mg, or others)" and adding Cal/Mag would be your best and easiest solution.
They may say that the extra Cal/Mag is not required, but in my experience extra cal/mag IS required when growing mary jane in coco coir and when using Canna Nutrients it is also my experience that 200 ppm of mainly cal/mag is needed 90% of the time..

If you are truely doing everything right and you're still have cal/mag deficiencies (which is super common when growing MJ in coco) then the solution is simple: Just make sure you have 200 ppm of mostly cal/mag in your water before adding your Canna Coco A&B base nutrients... The only easy ways for a person to do this is to A.)use tap water IF your lucky enough to have good tap water rich in Calcium ect., Or B.) Supplement with a Cal/Mag product, which unfortunately usually all contain small amounts Nitrogen, Sulfer, Iron, and other unlisted ingredients... the good news is that I have never heard of these other elements causing any issues.

I have seen your exact problem a countless amount of times and based on what you've told me, I'm almost certain that if you add the 200 ppm then your issues will surely clear up, providing you are certain you have a cal/mag deficiency and not a lockout or some other issues.. (And fyi - yes Canna has recommended adding 150-250 ppm of calmag to me and others several times in the past so im a little confused myself).

Its getting late but I will respond to the microbe issue tomorrow.
Peace... ~JBerry
 

jetcty

New Member
seems strange but jberry, i'm gonna go with your advice over cannas...wondering if its a "mary jane" thing only?
i really appreciate your help and time.
 

jberry

Well-Known Member
Magnesium deficiency is something u commonly see whenever growing mj indoors and Calcium is a common issue whenever growing in Coco Coir.
 

jetcty

New Member
i feel a bit like im beating a dead horse here so i apologize, but just to clarify. do you suggest i add 200ppm CalMag to my existing 70ppm tap H2O? OR add 130 ppm CalMag to my existing 70ppm for a total of 200ppm? by the way im using a Hanna or 0.5 scale meter my base EC is about 0.16
you must get really tiered of all the stupid questions, again thank you so much for taking the time to do it!
p.s. were those waves you posted a time back ( ive read and reread the whole thread) at Mavericks? awesome!
 

nuckyt

Active Member
i feel a bit like im beating a dead horse here so i apologize, but just to clarify. do you suggest i add 200ppm CalMag to my existing 70ppm tap H2O? OR add 130 ppm CalMag to my existing 70ppm for a total of 200ppm? by the way im using a Hanna or 0.5 scale meter my base EC is about 0.16
you must get really tiered of all the stupid questions, again thank you so much for taking the time to do it!
p.s. were those waves you posted a time back ( ive read and reread the whole thread) at Mavericks? awesome!
If you're growing in coco you'll need cal mag.
 

micadesgns

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Hey all been a while since i posted. still recovering from my surgery. I never started seeds in coco before, always had clones. was worried how when you water the coco it gets holes dug in it and didnt want to dig up seeds. with the help and advice from azcannaman i tried it. got some green house great white shark seeds from herbies. rooted em the old fashioned way (damp paper towel in zip lock bag.) i always had great results with that method. all 3 seed popped in 24 hrs and then went into canna coco. used the super roots airpots .3 gallon and wow, the results are great. never saw main stems this thick at 20 days since they broke ground. here's a pic. let me know what u think.........
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djwimbo

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Down to the day before I germ some beans, couple questions.

1: How long do I soak the coco in the CaMg/pH 5.5 solution? 1b. It has soaked for over an hour and stopped expanding, is it done?
2: Straight from germ(first sign of taproot) to 1L airpot?
3: 20:4 or 18:6?



For reference, I have Canna Coco A+B, Rhizo, Cannazym, Boost and PK13/14, SaferGro pH down, Gen Org CaMg+, Airpots in the 1L, 7.5L, and 12.5L sizes, and will hopefully raising my first two ladies indoors.

Edit: I know, I still forgot to get DripClean.
 

theleach

Active Member
I just started using Canna Coco, i'm not using the corresponding nutes though. Im on a low budget and i have the Flora series from General Hydroponics( Floragrow, Floramicro, and florabloom). Will this make a big difference, and when should i start feeding?
 

micadesgns

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I'm useing the Canna line. its not expensive till u get to flowering. But to answer your question, i started when the seed when in the coco. 5ml of coco a&b and 5ml Rhizotonic. then when seed broke ground i went to what the canna feeding schedule suggested. hope this helps....
 

pukka777

Member
Generative Period IV is your flush time...note cannazyme and Boost are still on the menu, just without the base nutes..
hi there again,

if that is the flush then it is still getting nutrients, is that right? do i have to flush for a week after this with just water? i am in that stage now... thanks
 

theleach

Active Member
So would it be wise to start feeding 1 week old seedlings that are in Canna Coco?

Using General Hydroponics Floragrow series
 

jela10

Well-Known Member
hi there again,

if that is the flush then it is still getting nutrients, is that right? do i have to flush for a week after this with just water? i am in that stage now... thanks
Canna does say there are some micro's in Boost but it's intention is more of an energy source (starch/carbs) for cellular activity within the plant...Your plants will rob starches from their own leaves in the last days just for last minute flower production.....Cannazyme is an enzyme that stimulates root uptake and converts deciduous matter (dead roots) into food. I've used both thorough the end with no taste/burn issues and am currently flushing this hog with both additives....it's these ingredients I feel that got me to this sized bud under a 400w...I'm going all the way to the end with it.
This is my current grow in my sig....currently in flush with Cannazyme and Boost (full dosage per charts)
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pukka777

Member
Canna does say there are some micro's in Boost but it's intention is more of an energy source (starch/carbs) for cellular activity within the plant...Your plants will rob starches from their own leaves in the last days just for last minute flower production.....Cannazyme is an enzyme that stimulates root uptake and converts deciduous matter (dead roots) into food. I've used both thorough the end with no taste/burn issues and am currently flushing this hog with both additives....it's these ingredients I feel that got me to this sized bud under a 400w...I'm going all the way to the end with it.
This is my current grow in my sig....currently in flush with Cannazyme and Boost (full dosage per charts)
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wow my buds arent half that size..... have 2 under a 600 watt... what are you doing that im not haha
 

theleach

Active Member
Yeah, you're right. Noticed some droopage and yellowing, thought it was possibly overwatering (never had that problem before, let alone with coco which is apparently harder to do it), then read up a bit more and i just gave a small feeding. Hoping to see some good changes. Only a bit over a week old though, i didn't i had to use nutes until after the first few weeks no matter what the soil. I'm relatively new to buying my own products; and growing altogether. Any feedback will be appreciated greatly.
 

jela10

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wow my buds arent half that size..... have 2 under a 600 watt... what are you doing that im not haha
Part of my success lies in the medium/method too. I grow in 2g hempy buckets of Canna coco and rockwool mini-cubes. So much rockwool that I used Canna Substra "Flora & Vega". Lots of magic in the hempy methodology for as simple as it is. Don't know why but 2gallon buckets just kick ass for me, where anyone else would use 3.5 -5gal buckets thinking "bigger is better". I just did a stellar Pineapple Express grow in "Mapito" in the same buckets and hit 4.7oz per plant....same 2g setup.
Here's the larger top I showed after taking it down yesterday.
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pukka777

Member
Part of my success lies in the medium/method too. I grow in 2g hempy buckets of Canna coco and rockwool mini-cubes. So much rockwool that I used Canna Substra "Flora & Vega". Lots of magic in the hempy methodology for as simple as it is. Don't know why but 2gallon buckets just kick ass for me, where anyone else would use 3.5 -5gal buckets thinking "bigger is better". I just did a stellar Pineapple Express grow in "Mapito" in the same buckets and hit 4.7oz per plant....same 2g setup.
Here's the larger top I showed after taking it down yesterday.
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honestly that is stupidly massive lol..... whats ur veg and flower period?? i am only using 2 gal pots, started with cuttings in rockwool then transferred to soil. 4 week veg then 8 week flower, followed the canna guide.... as im new to this i trimmed off fan leaves which i now know i shouldnt have........, will update you in the next few weeks in regards to how much i get...
 
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