klx
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Not really dry, the tray is covered and with all the water moving its about 100% humidity in there, but you dont need to flood right up to the base of the stalk I mean
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Airwalker16
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Keesje
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So what are you saying?
Airwalker16
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That the statement he made of "the top layer of roots stay dry" just isn't true. It's impossible really.
Keesje
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I think KLX is not saying that the top layer stays dry. He states that there is almost 100% humidity.
But it is not of that much importance. Although only damp roots can absorb O2. Dry roots can't.
The more important question is this: Besides water and O2, roots also absorb nutes. Evaporated water can hold less nutes. A fact, not an opinion.
Are there enough nutes available when you flood just an inch?
But it is not of that much importance. Although only damp roots can absorb O2. Dry roots can't.
The more important question is this: Besides water and O2, roots also absorb nutes. Evaporated water can hold less nutes. A fact, not an opinion.
Are there enough nutes available when you flood just an inch?
Think you have confusion who said what. I said they stay dry I guess I meant to say they don’t get soaked from the flood but they obviously will contain water as water has to move up the roots to get to the stalk.
I was planning on cloning in rapid rooters but that won’t give me long roots for this purpose. I may have to rethink my cloning method then. I need to do 600 clones at a time aerocloners tend to take up a lot of space. You got any ideas of cloning methods for long roots that take up less space?
Keesje
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I think it is a mathematical thing; not a biological or agricultural thing.
Every clone needs its space to develop.
Let's say 2 inch x 2 inch
In greenhouse where they cut clones, they have trays above each other.
So if you would have a tray of 20 inch x 40 inch you could theoretically have 10 x 20 clones = 200 clones.
3 layers is 600 clones.
Of course you need some extra space but with 25 inch x 50 inch it could be possible.
In the pic you see that they have at least 5 layers.
3 layers in a room of 6 feet would give you 2 feet per layer. Plenty of space for longer roots.
Every clone needs its space to develop.
Let's say 2 inch x 2 inch
In greenhouse where they cut clones, they have trays above each other.
So if you would have a tray of 20 inch x 40 inch you could theoretically have 10 x 20 clones = 200 clones.
3 layers is 600 clones.
Of course you need some extra space but with 25 inch x 50 inch it could be possible.
In the pic you see that they have at least 5 layers.
3 layers in a room of 6 feet would give you 2 feet per layer. Plenty of space for longer roots.
those clones are in plugs or something though. Roots will spiral. I think an aeroponic resevoir/mist heads would need a bit more height so limits the stacks of clones
Keesje
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It depends on how long you want your clones to stay in a cloner.
But let's say your clone is 6-10 inches. Then another 4-8 inches beneath them. Your lamp is 6-10 inches above the clone. The lamp itself is 2-6 inches.
That makes a total of 18 - 34 inches.
Why would that not fit in 3 layers?
How much space do you have for clones now?
But let's say your clone is 6-10 inches. Then another 4-8 inches beneath them. Your lamp is 6-10 inches above the clone. The lamp itself is 2-6 inches.
That makes a total of 18 - 34 inches.
Why would that not fit in 3 layers?
How much space do you have for clones now?
I’m redesigning my room. It’s a low ceiling tight space. Trying to optimise the space I use best I can.
I can potentially use a fogger instead of mist heads that may make things easier to manage I’ll look into this
klx
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How do these large clone operations water that many clones?
For a custom flood and drain tray do you think I should use liquid rubber or fiberglass?
Bought fiberglass that I’m using for my pond and was gonna use extra for the tray but reading more on it now I’m wondering if it’s actually simple enough to install without leaks
Bought fiberglass that I’m using for my pond and was gonna use extra for the tray but reading more on it now I’m wondering if it’s actually simple enough to install without leaks
klx
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Not sure honestly, maybe someone else will chime in, I always got my flood trays from the hydro store.
klx
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Took backups of all the Demo F2 females that are going to flower. I also put a few clones outside to give me an idea what to expect and, even though they are small looks like a lot of greeny, purply, cookie goodness to me.
Popped a bunch of seeds recently and had some issues with damping off. Really pissed me off it did. So popped some more and doing the pepsi challenge. So far all seem roughly the same so not really sure what happened with the last lot. Could have been pathogen in the coco. Might stick with rockwool for the time being until they get past the first true leaves before going into coco. Bit of a mystery really...
Popped a bunch of seeds recently and had some issues with damping off. Really pissed me off it did. So popped some more and doing the pepsi challenge. So far all seem roughly the same so not really sure what happened with the last lot. Could have been pathogen in the coco. Might stick with rockwool for the time being until they get past the first true leaves before going into coco. Bit of a mystery really...
lukio
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Hope ya good, man. hows the corona your way?
i seemed to have forgotten how to plant seeds recently....i just lost two whole packs of new beans...twice! raging i am! they popped in water then flaked in coco...
made a new insta too, the old account kept getting reported... ill send ya an addy in a bit.
i seemed to have forgotten how to plant seeds recently....i just lost two whole packs of new beans...twice! raging i am! they popped in water then flaked in coco...
made a new insta too, the old account kept getting reported... ill send ya an addy in a bit.
klx
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Hey mate, well Corona not too bad actually so far. It feels like its ramping up but just doesn't seem as bad here as the states or Europe. I have been informed that I am essential services apparently, lets just say my job is to fix things but by no means would I consider it essential....but anyway I guess I get a free pass to be out when we go fully locked down so I guess its just a wait and see thing fro now. Was down the beach today, loads of people but most people practicing social distancing but still...
That's exactly what happened to me. They sprouted then started growing then like 2 or 3 days later dead. Did yours just kinda get all mushy in the stem and fall over dead? Fuck I was raging. Lost 2 x half packs of regs. So yeah I know the feeling.
Who keeps reporting you?? Yeah send us new addy through
Airwalker16
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Humidity domes and low light levels fellas. Keep those seedlings happy. Wait til they get good and sprouted in a paper towel before you plant them.
lukio
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man, i think any country that didnt lockdown a while ago are really asking for trouble...stay safe dude.
i did the 24hrs water thing and most popped...then into coco and nothing...just stopped. i thought i cooked the first lot so set the second lot up on a thermostat... and they did the same. im sure its me and not the seeds. im £300 down but im not gonna let em win... gonna practice with some freebies then go again...madness. tis annoying, specially when ya been growin a while huh!
no idea! I think it was an algorithm thing cause it would happen instantly, like upload then get flagged immediately.
lukio
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yeahhhh i didnt even get that far! whoops