The klx Way!

Keesje

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I think you could cut them from vegging plants.
But as klx states: They would have roots many weeks before you need them.
But if you would have 2, 3 or 4 different rooms, then you could do it.
If you would start room 1 in week 1, room 2 in week 3, room 3 in week 5, room 4 in week 7.
You could harvest every 2 weeks.
 

klx

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One of the benefits of this system is that it produces as much as possible in a small space. If you have lots of space and the ability to have mum room, nursery, veg room, flower rooms, drying room, lung room etc then better off with a more traditional system imo
 

Keesje

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I think an advantage of a perpetual grow in several rooms and stages, is that you can handle it all by yourself.
I mean harvesting 4 M2 every 2 weeks is much easier as harvesting 16 M2 every 8 weeks (just an example)
 

klx

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I think an advantage of a perpetual grow in several rooms and stages, is that you can handle it all by yourself.
I mean harvesting 4 M2 every 2 weeks is much easier as harvesting 16 M2 every 8 weeks (just an example)
Yep, point being there are infinite ways to skin a cat. With family, work, other hobbies even my small space can be a lot of work at times.
 

genuity

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How are you liking the blocks so far @klx

I'm about to switch over to production runs & want to go with less medium as I can...
That pic of the NFT clean up,I could use a few yrs of that(got a mini mountain in my back yard) of old coco/soil.
 

klx

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How are you liking the blocks so far @klx

I'm about to switch over to production runs & want to go with less medium as I can...
That pic of the NFT clean up,I could use a few yrs of that(got a mini mountain in my back yard) of old coco/soil.
Not sold on the blocks. They not cheap, not easy to get rid of (especially for those of us that have to do it secretly) and not as forgiving as coco. Pros are they are clean and super convenient. Zero difference in yield from what I can tell.
 
Wouldn't work for mediumless as your clones would be rooted many weeks before you need them plus they would be too small so you would then have to veg them.
Hey Klx, sorry to pester you with yet more questions. I have actually been reading through a lot of threads in order to try and get the information required, and to avoid having to ask questions that may have already been asked,.....but more often than not in the threads I'm reading you pop up as being the guy most likely to be able to help!

Having built a aero cloner thats pretty much identical to yours, and wanting to use it to support the clone production for flood tables like you do, with no down time in between,...... I'm seeing more and more that mastering the cloning consistency is going to be a key thing in both uninterrupted grows, quality of clones, and also being able to keep a minimal amount of mother plants.

So far, I've actually had reasonable success with the aero cloner, apart from the second run being with bore water which seems to have hindered things as per one of my previous posts in this thread. But I don't think even my best run was quite as fast as yours so I wonder if you would mind giving a little more insight regarding your technique?

Do you employ your 15/15 on/off for the pump timer right from the start when you put a new bunch of clones in your cloner? (I tried using a timer on various ratios when I first built my cloner, but even with a 15/45 off/on I still got severe wilting and so ended up just running it permanently on. Having said that, I have just recently noticed (by accidentally leaving the pump timer off) that after the clones have been in the cloner for a few days I do seem to be able to have the pump off for quite a while without wilting regardless of weather the clones have any root development or not. So I'm interested in what your practice and observations are.

Do you run an air stone in your cloner? Sorry if you have answered that already. I have poured through so many different threads in the last few days I can't remember!

Do you use any rooting compounds at all?

With all the above I am always mindfull that various strains are faster to root than others. But I'm also seeing quite different results on even the same strain, in different runs.

To date I have had:

Clones keen to start banging out roots in as little four days or so.

Clones sitting for 3 plus weeks doing almost nothing (the run done with the bore water). These clones eventually started showing what appeared to be iron def in their new leaves, and after checking everything I noticed that the PH was 7+. But trying to continually adjust the PH of this water down (ph down was nitric acid) eventually led to the rez EC having climbed to .2-.3. and the clones showing nitrogen claw despite still not having any roots. Although it did remedy the iron def type symptoms quite quickly

Clones that seem so happy in the cloner that they continue to grow almost as fast as they would if left on the mother plants, but are still quite slow to produce roots. (Almost like they aren't bothered growing roots because they don't need to!)

After getting a bit desperate to harvest more clones (mothers getting outa control, F&D tables needing to be refilled with plants in near future,while cloner is still full due to slow rooting times!) I quickly made a bubble type cloner a week ago today with small circulating pump and air stone, and whacked a batch of clones in there with the stems slightly in water. I see today that a few of those are showing small roots, and if it weren't for your posts and my previous results with aero cloner, I probably would have concluded the bubble cloner is the way to go. But my previous experience along with your posts leads me to believe that the aero cloner will be the way to go if i can just get it dialed on properly.

Any further help/insight you can give would be very much appreciated!

Cheers!
 

klx

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Do you employ your 15/15 on/off for the pump timer right from the start when you put a new bunch of clones in your cloner? (I tried using a timer on various ratios when I first built my cloner, but even with a 15/45 off/on I still got severe wilting and so ended up just running it permanently on. Having said that, I have just recently noticed (by accidentally leaving the pump timer off) that after the clones have been in the cloner for a few days I do seem to be able to have the pump off for quite a while without wilting regardless of weather the clones have any root development or not. So I'm interested in what your practice and observations are.
Turn the pump on while you take your clones so when you put a clone into the cloner it is getting sprayed. When you have finish taking all your clones, leave the pump on for an hour so they get a good drenching. You can then switch to 15/15 or even 15/30 works good for some strains. You can also scrape or slit the base of the stalks if you are trying to speed things up but water temp will be the biggest factor.

Do you run an air stone in your cloner? Sorry if you have answered that already. I have poured through so many different threads in the last few days I can't remember!
Not needed as there is more than enough oxygen from the sprinklers / spraying.

Do you use any rooting compounds at all?
None.

With all the above I am always mindfull that various strains are faster to root than others. But I'm also seeing quite different results on even the same strain, in different runs.

To date I have had:

Clones keen to start banging out roots in as little four days or so.

Clones sitting for 3 plus weeks doing almost nothing (the run done with the bore water). These clones eventually started showing what appeared to be iron def in their new leaves, and after checking everything I noticed that the PH was 7+. But trying to continually adjust the PH of this water down (ph down was nitric acid) eventually led to the rez EC having climbed to .2-.3. and the clones showing nitrogen claw despite still not having any roots. Although it did remedy the iron def type symptoms quite quickly
I like to take clones from healthy tops of mothers. I dont buy into the whole 'take clones from low on the plant' theory. I never PH my water, I use straight tap which is about 70ppm out of the tap. PH of 7 is fine for cloning imo. Use the best water you have available and add nothing other than some H2O2 every 3 or 4 days to keep it pathogen free.

Clones that seem so happy in the cloner that they continue to grow almost as fast as they would if left on the mother plants, but are still quite slow to produce roots. (Almost like they aren't bothered growing roots because they don't need to!)
Fiddle with pump times, try 30/30 or 15/30 for example, score and scrape the stalks to help the roots along. Always take more clones than you need so you can a) choose the most vigorous and b) dont have to worry if some dont root.

After getting a bit desperate to harvest more clones (mothers getting outa control, F&D tables needing to be refilled with plants in near future,while cloner is still full due to slow rooting times!) I quickly made a bubble type cloner a week ago today with small circulating pump and air stone, and whacked a batch of clones in there with the stems slightly in water. I see today that a few of those are showing small roots, and if it weren't for your posts and my previous results with aero cloner, I probably would have concluded the bubble cloner is the way to go. But my previous experience along with your posts leads me to believe that the aero cloner will be the way to go if i can just get it dialed on properly.

Any further help/insight you can give would be very much appreciated!

Cheers!
It happens man, its tricky to get everything times perfectly right every time but with experience you will find it easier. The best advice I can give you is less is more, dont get tempted to add too much to the water or adjust ph etc. Maybe get a bigger cooler / esky so you can take more clones to give you some breathing room?

Also bubble cloners work good too. Many people prefer them. Use whatever you fine easiest and works best I say!!
 
Turn the pump on while you take your clones so when you put a clone into the cloner it is getting sprayed. When you have finish taking all your clones, leave the pump on for an hour so they get a good drenching. You can then switch to 15/15 or even 15/30 works good for some strains. You can also scrape or slit the base of the stalks if you are trying to speed things up but water temp will be the biggest factor.



Not needed as there is more than enough oxygen from the sprinklers / spraying.



None.



I like to take clones from healthy tops of mothers. I dont buy into the whole 'take clones from low on the plant' theory. I never PH my water, I use straight tap which is about 70ppm out of the tap. PH of 7 is fine for cloning imo. Use the best water you have available and add nothing other than some H2O2 every 3 or 4 days to keep it pathogen free.



Fiddle with pump times, try 30/30 or 15/30 for example, score and scrape the stalks to help the roots along. Always take more clones than you need so you can a) choose the most vigorous and b) dont have to worry if some dont root.



It happens man, its tricky to get everything times perfectly right every time but with experience you will find it easier. The best advice I can give you is less is more, dont get tempted to add too much to the water or adjust ph etc. Maybe get a bigger cooler / esky so you can take more clones to give you some breathing room?

Also bubble cloners work good too. Many people prefer them. Use whatever you fine easiest and works best I say!!
Thanks Klx!

I have tracked down some 50% hydrogen peroxide and even some of those net pots. So once I get clear of the existing batches I'll try and do the next run in the aqua cloner exactly as you have outlined, and I'll let you know the results.

Many thanks again for you patience and willingness to help.

Have a great weekend!
 
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klx

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Thanks Klx!

I have tracked down some 50% hydrogen peroxide and even some of those net pots. So once I get clear of the existing batches I'll try and do the next run in the aqua cloner exactly as you have outlined, and I'll let you know the results.

Many thanks again for you patience and willingness to help.

Have a great weekend!
No worries mate good luck!
 

klx

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While I am here, some recent pics of the room and trimming up most recent harvest from couple weeks ago. Its end of summer here, hottest part of the year so am pretty happy with these. Summer can be brutal at times here in regards to temps and humidity. Bring on autumn!!20200206_103110.jpg20200206_201753.jpg20200206_201759.jpg20200206_202325.jpg20200206_215447.jpgHM1.jpgHM2.jpg
 

klx

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@flytrap007 I am tearing down my rooms, cleaning and sanitizing at the end of this flower run. Killed everything in the mum room so have taken clones and set them up in spare bedroom. Today is 4th March, early Autumn but still pretty warm. I am gonna predict 14 days for roots on these.

I have taken more than I need so can just keep the most vigorous. Nothing but tap water in the esky. I left the pump on for about 4 hours after I took the clones cos I went out, switched it to 15/15 when I got home. Zero drooping or wilting.

Sunlight from a window during the day then a little flouro light at night.

Will post again when whey root.

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@flytrap007 I am tearing down my rooms, cleaning and sanitizing at the end of this flower run. Killed everything in the mum room so have taken clones and set them up in spare bedroom. Today is 4th March, early Autumn but still pretty warm. I am gonna predict 14 days for roots on these.

I have taken more than I need so can just keep the most vigorous. Nothing but tap water in the esky. I left the pump on for about 4 hours after I took the clones cos I went out, switched it to 15/15 when I got home. Zero drooping or wilting.

Sunlight from a window during the day then a little flouro light at night.

Will post again when whey root.

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Awesome and thanks man! I'm currently still trying to tweek things so will be following with interest!
 

klx

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Awesome and thanks man! I'm currently still trying to tweek things so will be following with interest!
Sorry mate change of plans. Took the down time as an opportunity to pop some beans so 10 x 88G13HP and 10 x Bubbleberry getting soaked to go along with my Demo F2s for the next run. Apologies, will @ you when I take the next set of clones. These ones are going to the great clone paddock in the sky...
 
Sorry mate change of plans. Took the down time as an opportunity to pop some beans so 10 x 88G13HP and 10 x Bubbleberry getting soaked to go along with my Demo F2s for the next run. Apologies, will @ you when I take the next set of clones. These ones are going to the great clone paddock in the sky...
No worries mate, new to the game but can already see how quickly plans can change in the grow room!!

I think I may finally be sorted now as I have been able to make sense of a lot of the things I have been seeing happen. I have just this hour taken a full set of clones myself after having sterilized the cloner and set it up with nothing but water and 4ppm bleach at 27degC ( haven't managed to pick up the hydrogen peroxide yet). I'll keep you posted on my results good or bad.

Just two more questions - how often were you adding back the hydrogen peroxide to the cloner? and how much of the 50% were you using per ltr of water?

cheers!
 
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No worries mate, new to the game but can already see how quickly plans can change in the grow room!!

I think I may finally be sorted now as I have been able to make sense of a lot of the things I have been seeing happen. I have just this hour taken a full set of clones myself after having sterilized the cloner and set it up with nothing but water and 4ppm bleach at 27degC ( haven't managed to pick up the hydrogen peroxide yet). I'll keep you posted on my results good or bad.

Just two more questions - how often were you adding back the hydrogen peroxide to the cloner? and how much of the 50% were you using per ltr of water?

cheers!
You need to add H2O2 every 3-4 days as it breaks down to oxygen by then and you only need 0.1-0.2ml per litre. Eg, 1 - 2ml per 10L.

Good luck with your grow!
 
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