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Ozumoz66

Ozumoz66

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Bad Karma said:
Vegan cars have been around since 1980 and nobody talks about it.
I blame Harvey Korman’s lack luster performance.
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Here I thought it meant no leather seats, steering wheel or shifter. It's more complex than that apparently.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO BUY A 100% VEGAN CAR?
The short answer is not really, no. According to Arnold Clark, a new and used car company, “When you begin to understand that animal fats are used in the production of steel and rubber among many other components used in car manufacturing, you realize that it is currently almost impossible to buy a car that is 100% vegan-friendly.”

www.livekindly.com

The Complete Vegan Guide to Buying a Car

Here's everything you need to know about finding the perfect vegan car, from leather-free interiors to trims, rims, and more.
www.livekindly.com www.livekindly.com
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Ozumoz66 said:
Here I thought it meant no leather seats, steering wheel or shifter. It's more complex than that apparently.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO BUY A 100% VEGAN CAR?
The short answer is not really, no. According to Arnold Clark, a new and used car company, “When you begin to understand that animal fats are used in the production of steel and rubber among many other components used in car manufacturing, you realize that it is currently almost impossible to buy a car that is 100% vegan-friendly.”

www.livekindly.com

The Complete Vegan Guide to Buying a Car

Here's everything you need to know about finding the perfect vegan car, from leather-free interiors to trims, rims, and more.
www.livekindly.com www.livekindly.com
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You can buy one that doesn't run on whale oil!

I can't think of too much that was alive once that goes into a typical EV, it's plastic and steel for the most part, unless you have genuine leather seats. Probably less carbon emitted than in producing an ICE equivalent. Most factories can be run on renewables and oil is used in the plastics, but that can change, and steel is steel.

Here is the closest to an "organic car" we came years ago. Dunno how much hemp body panels weigh compared to carbon fiber or glass, vs steel. Maybe hemp fiber is worth a modern look with modern materials.

https://themeaningofwater.com/2020/10/03/henry-fords-hemp-cars/

"In 1941, Henry Ford built a car out of plastic from hemp and other plant material that ran on hemp fuel. Why aren’t we driving it today? asks Return to Now.

Ford’s 1941 bioplastic Model T was made of hemp, flax, wheat, and spruce pulp, which made the car lighter than fiberglass and ten times tougher than steel, wrote the New York Times on February 2, 1941. The car ran on ethanol made from hemp or other agricultural waste. Ford’s experimental model was deemed a step toward the realization of his dream to “grow automobiles from soil,” wrote Popular Mechanics in their December 1941 issue and reduce greenhouse gases—already known to occur by then".

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cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
DIY-HP-LED said:
On the borderlands of the then savage and more than troublesome Germanic tribes. They still call a place in the region Romania...

They did spend less of their GDP on "defense" than America does...
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Perhaps a matter of efficiency. The Roman state had some peculiar money sinks that did not carry forward past the Renaissance.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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DIY-HP-LED said:
On the border lands of the then savage and more than troublesome Germanic tribes.
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Heeyyyy… wait a minute... or 3. savages/barbarians is just what Romans and Christians (genociders, beheaders, mass rapists, baby head smashers) and later thus western society call them in their version of history. They were by no standard other than the Romans’ “savages”, and were barbarians only in the original Greek sense of the word. It’s one of the biggest lies in history. Of course the honorable Germanic tribes with their democratically elected kings caused trouble for the the real barbarians, the Romans who built and expanded their 'civilization' based on slavery and genocide.

Large motivation behind the distortion is the same reason christians stole our pagan holidays/celebrations, killed our holy trees, and appropriated sacred wells for baptizing. And while this may sound like ancient history, one of my grandmas wedding vows included some gospel about denouncing the old gods. Savage/barbarian is what romans/christians called pagans so they can pretend it's their ways and god who's more civilized. The Germanic (and Frisian and Norse and Celtic...) gods didn't create babies with sin or even leukemia. And Hel wasn't a place for eternal punishment and agony, just not as good as valhalla.

"Trees have been used in rituals and as decorations since ancient times, thus making the source of the modern Christmas tree open to debate. However, many believe that it originated in Germany. It is claimed that in Germany about 723 the English missionary St. Boniface encountered pagans preparing a sacrifice at an oak tree dedicated to the god Thor (Donar). Boniface took an ax to the tree...."

Few decades later Boniface (one of several major figures that christianized NL) went up north for a second attempt to christianize my ancestors and who sent him to his imaginary maker. Ironically became one of the most christian parts of NL so it's Boniface who got a statue instead of the real heroes.

Any history written by the Romans has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. The reason there's little documented history from the other sides is because the romans and christians went to great lengths to destroy any history that shows the portrayal from the romans is extremely inaccurate and biased.

That... and romans shared a toilet. Like, they talked to each other while hearing and smelling the shit coming out of their arses. Who's the savage now! :lol:
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Sativied said:
Heeyyyy… wait a minute... or 3. savages/barbarians is just what Romans and Christians (genociders, beheaders, mass rapists, baby head smashers) and later thus western society call them in their version of history. They were by no standard other than the Romans’ “savages”, and were barbarians only in the original Greek sense of the word. It’s one of the biggest lies in history. Of course the honorable Germanic tribes with their democratically elected kings caused trouble for the the real barbarians, the Romans who built and expanded their 'civilization' based on slavery and genocide.

Large motivation behind the distortion is the same reason christians stole our pagan holidays/celebrations, killed our holy trees, and appropriated sacred wells for baptizing. And while this may sound like ancient history, one of my grandmas wedding vows included some gospel about denouncing the old gods. Savage/barbarian is what romans/christians called pagans so they can pretend it's their ways and god who's more civilized. The Germanic (and Frisian and Norse and Celtic...) gods didn't create babies with sin or even leukemia. And Hel wasn't a place for eternal punishment and agony, just not as good as valhalla.

"Trees have been used in rituals and as decorations since ancient times, thus making the source of the modern Christmas tree open to debate. However, many believe that it originated in Germany. It is claimed that in Germany about 723 the English missionary St. Boniface encountered pagans preparing a sacrifice at an oak tree dedicated to the god Thor (Donar). Boniface took an ax to the tree...."

Few decades later Boniface (one of several major figures that christianized NL) went up north for a second attempt to christianize my ancestors and who sent him to his imaginary maker. Ironically became one of the most christian parts of NL so it's Boniface who got a statue instead of the real heroes.

Any history written by the Romans has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. The reason there's little documented history from the other sides is because the romans and christians went to great lengths to destroy any history that shows the portrayal from the romans is extremely inaccurate and biased.

That... and romans shared a toilet. Like, they talked to each other while hearing and smelling the shit coming out of their arses. Who's the savage now! :lol:
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It's good you are going back to your roots, just don't go so far that you end up with horns on your hat! :lol:

The winners or at least those who had literacy write the history. The monks in the UK gave the Norse a bad rap when they started raiding them. It was one of the key advantages the Christian religion had was Christianity is a literate religion based on a book, the bible. The other was than when someone died their wealth wasn't buried with them but inherited and they were buried not burned as was the custom among the heathen! The Romans were an exploitive imperialistic military invasion, the Christianity that came after the Germans essentially conquered the Romans was a cultural assimilation based on religion that spread across Europe as one king or prince at a time converted right up to Norway and Sweden, it even spread to Greenland via Iceland in the Nordic world. Even the Russians became Christians of a sort...
 
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