cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
You’ve sidestepped my question about a shareholder-palatable mechanism for rate decreases. As a non-homeowner that is where my interest lies.
The Junk Drawer
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DIY-HP-LED
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Many people can generate their own power, but they cannot make gasoline, this can lower demand which leads to lower prices. We can only speak of averages here and mostly about homeowners, renters are another issue, but if you have parking, the law will probably require them provide recharging, at least in some places. Many places have off peak rates so charging can be timed for then too. In southern CA there is a lot of sunshine so daytime rates could end up low and renewables with cheap storage should make for small scale competition.
DIY-HP-LED
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Power here and in CA is between 16 and 17 cents a kWh and if yer EV gets 10km per kilowatt hour, then it should cost around $1.60 to go 100km, lets say with inefficiencies and rising rates $2.00 to go 100 km. Gas here is currently around $1.80CDN a liter (3.8L=1 US Gal) and I might get 10km on a liter.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I had some 64¢ kWh last year. At night that dropped to 32¢. I get twice+ your mileage.
DIY-HP-LED
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Ouch, and I though ENRON was out of business! It's 17 here and a look on google gave me 16 cents per kWh for an average in CA. Wind turbines and tidal will work for renewables here and solar in CA, so rates should be cheap during the day in the not too distant future and cheap energy storage can stretch that out.
I do a lot of town driving and little on the highway, so even though my car is good on gas, short trips kill the mileage numbers. I wish affordable electric options were around when I recently bought a KIA optima. I would have went with a small hatchback charged from my outside receptacle in the driveway, it would suit my needs and cost little to operate and maintain.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I think California took an especially hard hit in terms of energy prices last year. How did the inflation play out in Canada vs. the US?
DIY-HP-LED
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Still, even at 5km per kWh and power costing less than 20 cents a kWh it's still a bargain compared to gas and a smaller car goes further on the same charge. So a buck will get ya 25km in a compact EV, even paying 20 cents a kWh
Correction after a look on Google:
Average Modern EVs can go 3 miles (4.8 kilometers) per kWh. Very Efficient EVs achieve up to 4 miles (6.4 kilometers) per kWh. Less Efficient EVs are 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) per kWh.
DIY-HP-LED
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Power rates are regulated provincially and just went up 17%, food prices are double and triple what they were a year ago and heating oil is $1.80/L, I keep the house cool and my office/hobby room where I spend most of my time warmer
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That’s why Aptera stole my heart, if they ever build it. 10 miles to the kWh. I don’t mind that it is a dorky-looking two-seater.
DIY-HP-LED
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Here is this year's low end offering from Ford, if they can keep up with demand. Someone is gonna do an EV model T that charges from home or fast on the road and has the right combination of price, range and efficiency. Battery prices are gonna get lower over the next 5 years as new factories and better batteries come online, and that will mean cheaper EVs. China is hoping to leverage the paradigm shift in the auto industry to break into the global EV market and no doubt they will be competing on price and up against South Korea and Japan. They too are building battery factories and assembly facilities here, so I would expect some price wars, along with improved cheaper batteries.
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CunningCanuk
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Ozumoz66
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Here's our hydro bill this month. $140 total divide by 812kWh is about 17@¢/kWh. The total includes the delivery charge of $61, plus regulatory charges and HST (tax).
We have three 270W polycrystalline solar panels that feed three 215W grid tied inverters @240Vac. The forced air furnace motor is always on for air circulation. The fan motor absorbs all the power that the panels panels produce so that the utility doesn't notice the micro production. We save between $1 - $1.75/day and the $2200 system paid for itself in about 5 years.
We're looking for a replacement for her Subaru Forester and the hybrid Rav4 looks attractive. Our 60' gabrel roof barn could easily be fitted with panels for any vehicle charging needs.
I believe micro solar production should be on all eligible dwellings.
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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With an EV operating at 5km/kWh and solar panel prices dropping, generating 10 kWh a day would give ya 50 km of range per day working off the 1000 watts of average generation in 10 hours of daylight. Here in Canada there would be a big difference between summer and winter performance. A wind turbine turning a car alternator can generate over a kilowatt of power too, most will put out 14 volts at 100 AMPs. So for most modest home renewable setups, you can get 50 km of EV range a day, more with a home battery bank.
You can't make gasoline, but you can make electricity for free, minus the capital costs.
Roger A. Shrubber
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nationalize the electric grid, and generating stations, and normalize bills for everyone in the country...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I would expect Texas to have something to say about that.
The more I ponder states’ rights, the less I like them. I sometimes do wonder if the framers thought it was a good thing, or if it was a compromise on the order of, and perhaps linked to, not addressing slavery in the Constitution and the immediately following Bill of Rights.
It seems to me (and I could be whistling a Bach fugue out of my ass) that the seeds for the Civil War were sown by the codification of states’ rights.
DIY-HP-LED
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Actually with cheap batteries for EVs and home power banks using solar or small wind turbines a lot of folks might want to roll their own if power rates get too high. Considering most home owners could generate enough for their transportation needs and then some. Government regulation could see a distributed grid with distributed power storage in home power banks and plugged in EVs, along side the utility's own generation and storage capacity. You would get the best deal for smart grid power if you generated some and stored some, or just use it to power the EV and some of the house.
It is the battery development for EVs that might have the biggest impact for home and utility storage. High power batteries developed for EVs could power humanoid robots one day and a whole host of other things, like drones and aircraft.
topcat
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I invented tofu.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
sounds like George.I invented tofu.