THC - CBD CBN - MAKE MORE USEING UVB`s/ UVA`s..CHEAP&SIMPLE.?!!

eza82

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Ah I gotcha, So have you honestly seen any improvment that you can physically see with your eye.

Bro, it went in last night was on for 8 hrs and will continue this for the rest of its life... I dont pplan on seeing untill about 2 weeks... if at all... There are already tric`s on the plant, just trying to help them produce i suppose, so its a chemical change not a physical one!!!!:-P
 

eza82

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Niether.... There is a chemical reaction that happens in the DISC cell... which is on top of the trunk cell.... which make up the mushroom looking trics.....
The reaction happens in the disc cell helping reflect some of the harmful UV..

You have to spend 17mins watching THC UVB and ME on first page there is a link....watch that you will understand what im on about!:)
 

NYC Diesel

New Member
hmm eza maybe putting the light on now will spark more THC production now than later on in the flowering. I wonder how much of a difference it makes to have thje light running from the beginning of vegetative or flowering till the end.
 

eza82

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hmm eza maybe putting the light on now will spark more THC production now than later on in the flowering. I wonder how much of a difference it makes to have thje light running from the beginning of vegetative or flowering till the end.
i am starting at the last 3wks because that where I happen to be.... plan is for last 5-6 weeks... other wise if I want more I will need another light!
 

NYC Diesel

New Member
Do you think if you used a light with UVB rays early on, say 2 weeks into vege stage that it could cause DNA damage?
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Do you think if you used a light with UVB rays early on, say 2 weeks into vege stage that it could cause DNA damage?
I hate to say this (you can e-smack me). But I tried looking up uvb with vegetating plants, and it doesn't seem to be bringing me any results. So if you have an extra plant to spare.. maybe in the name of science (and rollitup) you could test one plant without uvb (2 weeks in) and one plant with uvb (2 weeks in) and compare the results?
 

eza82

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IMO
The plant in theory could do with some UVB during veg.... BUT no real need MH dose produce some whichmy plants veg under MH.... & The chemical reaction we want to induce... is to protect (sunscreen") the gene/dna of the plant for breeding ... So in saying that the plant dose not hit Pubity till flower....
So UVB will be only useful (for intended purpose THC) during flower... or when the plant has reached its sexual identity...
During Flower is when trics are produced & UVB and this test is to change the chem balance within the trics to produce more CBN/CBD which chages into THC.....
 

Brick Top

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I agree that there is a genetic maximum initially, but whose to say that after a few hundred generations that evolution wouldn't kick in :)

Just something interesting to think about.

If you can come up with a way to hang around for a few hundred generations of growing that way to them reap the benefits then I would say it might be worth spending the extra dollars on. plus that alone would be highly interesting to people.

But then unless you were to grow your plants for seed each grow and then start from seeds again etc., etc. etc., there would be no evolutionary advancement by growing from clones or seeds that did not keep coming from the exact same genetics passed on from grow to grow.

Plus when it comes to evolutionary advancement/changes there has to be a need so say in nature unless the ozone were to break down allowing more light rays of the type that would then force an evolutionary process to occur.

Not knowing the exact genetic code of the plants we grow we do not know if the present lighting is way below the levels of those light spectrums or not in relation to what it would take to cause any increased resin production. Unless the combination of our normal lighting and the additional lighting made a real change the plant would not respond to it with increased resin production, at least not to any major degree.

Now this is only a theory of mine but I do not believe you always have to have major resin production to have major THC levels. I tend to believe in some genetic codes THC can be more concentrated and be produced in less resin. I have smoked strains that were not gooey and covered in resin and in fact seemed to be very lacking in resin and had my socks blown off and I have smoked stuff with resin on it that was like someone poured a bottle of rubber cement over the plant and not gotten as high. I have also smoked really gooey resin covered pot that got me high as a kite. So that is why I have a theory that maximum resin production does not always or have to equate to maximum THC.

Now maybe in the plants that seemed to lack resin but were still killer if there had been more resin maybe the THC level would have been increased. But I tend to think that some genetics are just more efficient at producing THC even in smaller amounts of resin than some genetics are at producing it in higher amounts of resin and I am just not so sure that adding more of a light spectrum to ones lighting will make up for genetic coding. Again you may come close to or achieve maximum resin/THC production for a plants genetic coding but I do not believe you can top that.

So basically I am saying that what you get by adding the lights may be so minimal, if anything at all that it may not be worth it. Maybe it is in some cases depending on what someone is using for lighting. If you compare the light spectrums put off by CFL’s and HID’s you will see a difference. If the lighting someone is using creates lower levels of UVA/UVB light spectrums than maybe adding addition sources of those spectrums may somewhat increase resin production.

But again since I tend to believe that resin production and THC to not go totally hand in hand since I have had strains that were low in resin but high in THC and high in resin and lower in THC the additional light spectrums may make a difference in some strains but not in others or at least not to a degree that offsets their purchase and operating costs and a possible need for increased ventilation due to possible increased levels of heat.

It could all come down to a tradeoff that in some cases pays good dividends and not in others and until you try it you cannot know for sure and once you bought it if it doesn’t make a difference or a noticeable/appreciable difference or if it causes other costs to increase due to adding it then maybe it wasn’t a good tradeoff to make.


The idea is interesting for sure. Anything that comes down the pike that appears to have the ability to produce a better final result is going to be interesting. I am just not sure that in an indoor growing situation someone can or will know how to alter the conditions enough to be similar to the examples given of plants of the same type grown at low altitude and at high altitude and in equatorial regions. Until someone really figures it out it may be somewhat like LED’s in that they are great but most people do not know how to use them properly or cannot afford enough of them to use them properly and just adding one or two does not alter conditions enough to justify their cost so then people say they do not work or they are junk. It may be the same in this case in that maybe if someone purchased a large number of lights to increase UVA/UVB rays a great deal that it may pay off but if they add one or two they may not see any positive results and say it was all baloney and that they do not work.
I guess it will take some real research to find out and to be sure.
 

NYC Diesel

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now eza, you said before you wanted to repliacte vietnam, correct? and later on you said your plan was to start about 5-6 weeks before harvest(half through flowering i guess). Now wouldnt it be a better experiment if you included light from your UVB tubes throughout the entire growth? I mean its not like the sun skips out on UV rays for the vegetative cycle and then starts up again once the plant has entered flowering. Im not critisizing you, just suggesting something to further your experiment.
 

haze2

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Evenn better I like that signature, " when the fuck did we get Ice cream?" LMFAO thats funny shit.
 

eza82

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Not knowing the exact genetic code of the plants we grow we do not know if the present lighting is way below the levels of those light spectrums or not in relation to what it would take to cause any increased resin production. Unless the combination of our normal lighting and the additional lighting made a real change the plant would not respond to it with increased resin production, at least not to any major degree.
resin production??? are you reffering to tric`s if that is the case its scientifly proven that TCH ONLY is created in the trics...particular the DISC CELL or the top of the mushroom looking things.
The light spectrum provided in HID DO not have any UV (MH may have looking into it).
UV bulbs... you would get a tan in your grow room.... with a UVB bulb IT WILL provide a vastly different spectrum.. in fact HPS manufactures suggest additional natural light for best affect.....
Now this is only a theory of mine but I do not believe you always have to have major resin production to have major THC levels.
Im not going to increase the trics by that much.... Ill i will be doing is encourageing exsisting trics to produce more thc....

I tend to believe in some genetic codes THC can be more concentrated and be produced in less resin.
This will depend on the metabolic rate of the tric.....And yes it means that the plant was active IMO defending it self... I think you trics when you say resin... but if you look at studies of tric`s (or resin ) then over 50% are inactive or broken.. as in the disc cell has fallen off or trunk cell has broken.. these tric cant produce THC but will be sticky....A full tric will only be developed as needed, its proven that indoor have long trics usually breaking before it gets to bowl looseing alot of the valuable THC, Outdoors is proven to have very tight trics...
I have smoked strains that were not gooey and covered in resin and in fact seemed to be very lacking in resin and had my socks blown off and I have smoked stuff with resin on it that was like someone poured a bottle of rubber cement over the plant and not gotten as high. I have also smoked really gooey resin covered pot that got me high as a kite. So that is why I have a theory that maximum resin production does not always or have to equate to maximum THC.
THAT IS FACT...
Now maybe in the plants that seemed to lack resin but were still killer if there had been more resin maybe the THC level would have been increased. But I tend to think that some genetics are just more efficient at producing THC even in smaller amounts of resin than some genetics are at producing it in higher amounts of resin and I am just not so sure that
??????????????you put a high TCH producing strain in a medium thc producing environment your going to get average THC you put a low THC plant into a high THC environment your going to get average... you put a high tch plant in a high tch environment......well i thought that was common sense....
adding more of a light spectrum to ones lighting will make up for genetic coding. Again you may come close to or achieve maximum resin/THC production for a plants genetic coding but I do not believe you can top that.
thats genetics for ya!

So basically I am saying that what you get by adding the lights may be so minimal
you have to do some more homework
, if anything at all that it may not be worth it.
LOL.... UV is going to play a part GOOD or BAD but I assure you it will make a noticable difference in my situation.... i will be able to compare - i have smoked the same strain for yrs (15 odd) - its a family strain
Maybe it is in some cases depending on what someone is using for lighting. If you compare the light spectrums put off by CFL’s and HID’s you will see a difference. If the lighting someone is using creates lower levels of UVA/UVB light spectrums than maybe adding addition sources of those spectrums may somewhat increase resin production.
But again since I tend to believe that resin production and THC to not go totally hand in hand
YOU KIDING (if resin means trics?)

since I have had strains that were low in resin but high in THC and high in resin and lower in THC the additional light spectrums may make a difference in some strains but not in others or at least not to a degree that offsets their purchase and operating costs and a possible need for increased ventilation due to possible increased levels of heat.
Thats genetics bro.....you can only MAX what you got.... its like you.... your hieght was predetermined by genes..... WHAT i garuntee is that probably 1% of grows world wide MAX there ability of gentics within a particular strain...... and we could only dream of ever being there.... i just want to get closer.....
It could all come down to a tradeoff that in some cases pays good dividends and not in others and until you try it you cannot know for sure and once you bought it if it doesn’t make a difference or a noticeable/appreciable difference or if it causes other costs to increase due to adding it then maybe it wasn’t a good tradeoff to make.
I will put money on it...... i am that confident, The smoke is going to stronger..... not 10x but it will be stronger.
The idea is interesting for sure. Anything that comes down the pike that appears to have the ability to produce a better final result is going to be interesting. I am just not sure that in an indoor growing situation someone can or will know how to alter the conditions enough to be similar to the examples given of plants of the same type grown at low altitude and at high altitude and in equatorial regions. Until someone really figures it out it may be somewhat like LED’s in that they are great but most people do not know how to use them properly or cannot afford enough of them to use them properly and just adding one or two does not alter conditions enough to justify their cost so then people say they do not work or they are junk. It may be the same in this case in that maybe if someone purchased a large number of lights to increase UVA/UVB rays a great deal that it may pay off
you have to do your home work bro... these lights at 30w 10UVB 1 x 3 ft globe will put out TOO MUCH UVA & UVB at a couple of inches... the decay is fairly rapid.... but IMO the spectrum im looking for is around 295nm... or the equivelent to the sun on a clear day in vietnam with a LOW UV index... probably around 8-9 .
So i need my light between 1/2 foot and 1foot away..

but if they add one or two they may not see any positive results and say it was all baloney and that they do not work.
I guess it will take some real research to find out and to be sure.
im on it !:)
thanx for your insight bro...... sry if i sound deffensive no offense intended.
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now eza, you said before you wanted to repliacte vietnam, correct? and later on you said your plan was to start about 5-6 weeks before harvest(half through flowering i guess). Now wouldnt it be a better experiment if you included light from your UVB tubes throughout the entire growth? I mean its not like the sun skips out on UV rays for the vegetative cycle and then starts up again once the plant has entered flowering. Im not critisizing you, just suggesting something to further your experiment.
You are probably right.... hense my research on Metal halid and the spectrum they give..... MH dose provide some UV just unsure of how much..
 

MaDz

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Never stay in the same room than your plants when using these bulbs, never look at the bulb itself... This gives cancer and burn your eyes!!!
 

calibob

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you might be able to duplicate the spectrum emitted by the sun but I don't see how you are going to duplicate the energy. Your wavelength still needs some juice to make a difference. Great thread, who says MJ kills your brain.
 

eza82

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you might be able to duplicate the spectrum emitted by the sun but I don't see how you are going to duplicate the energy. Your wavelength still needs some juice to make a difference. Great thread, who says MJ kills your brain.
Thats the point i suppose.. I have introduced an artifical sun... with the SAME wavelengths......putting out about 270- 390nm with is the JUICE in the sun that help feed plants with vitimin D.... which ALL LIFE NEEDS.... :-P
 
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