good job scooby, plants look awesome.
taking a plunge in AN's line up.
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ScoobyDoobyDoo
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thanks kamie. appreciate it.
backyardagain
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a bit later im going to pick this up. sensi grow ab b52 and voodoo for the first weeks then getting sensi bloom ab big bud overdrive(and using some voodoo and b52 according to the chart i looked at advance website)
homebrewer
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Actually Phil, I was having Admin remove some of your trolly posts because that's really all you do around here. In the process, they made the call to shut down the thread which I'm totally fine with. If I'd have known you only grew little baby plants like that, I'd have never opened the thread to begin with. Your previous accounts have been on my ignore list and now this one is too. Later.
ScoobyDoobyDoo
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that's kinda funny since i seem to be giving solid advice in several sections of this forum. you are the only person i know of that solely spends his entire time here trying to promote a single brand of nutrients. hmmm...
backyardagain
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well so far got my technaflora kit just waiting to hear back from dicountadvance and advanc them selfs to see what they could do for me.
Sir.Ganga
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Let me try to help clear this up about AN products, I know I'm new here but you seem to be going down the same road as the people that try AN then say its crap. They take the plundge buy a bunch of bottles of intresting stuff(usually recommended by friends) and end up wasteing a bunch of money.
You do not need any of their additives(recommended) if your new to gardening or just want some smoke, I would recommend the 2 or 3 part system for your first run while you research the other additives.
Ph perfect is great for non-recovery systems, all others the non ph's is good enough.
Jungle Juice was brought to the market for competition of the lower end products like dyna, canna, MG and the such. It is basically half strngth of their orignal 3 part system(dont le anyone tell you different). For smaller scale it is fine but it is more cost effective to use the orignal when at a larger scale.
Bumper crops comes with a learning curve, some people just are not wiling to learn and experience a REAL BUMPER CROP.
Hope this clears a few things up for ya
Good luck
homebrewer
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Sorry but you need to be corrected. Jungle Juice is just a blatant rip-off of the GH 3-part which AN was already ripping off, JJ was just a way to market it better. JJ is in no way, shape, or form, even remotely similar to the other brands you name-dropped.
backyardagain
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lol, aint that funnay
ScoobyDoobyDoo
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hey backyard, it's gotten to the point of being comical how much this guy hates on AN. i'm starting to think he get's paid to hate on them. lol.
Sir.Ganga
New Member
Well Homebrewer your number of posts really say you should know better! I will say it again just to clear things up. AN brought the JJ line up to the market to compete in the lower end product lines. It only makes good business sence to compete in a market that the majority of growers are in.
People do not do enough research before comming here and spouting off and it really makes people just look stupid! You show your knowledge when you say "Jungle Juice is just a blatant rip-off of the GH 3-part which AN was already ripping off". Why? Well if you actually knew what was in the bottles you would not say that because you would know how STUPID that statement really is! The quality of the ingredients is one of the differences but the formula's are completely different.
With this statement and others ive seen in other posts, you would be better off picking up a book and actually learning what your feeding them, how much and why because from what Ive read your just another one of these growers that is all that and actually know NOTHING about your plants needs.
3600+ Posts??? Come on man you should know more by now? Just because your not smart enough or just pain lazy doesn't make a product bad.
homebrewer
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Phil, I'm going to reply to this and your other trolling quote on the other thread and then THIS account will be on my ignore list too.
The NPK content of AN's pre-jungle juice 3-part was identical to GH (Super Natural, Humboldt, Cutting Edge, all copied the GH 3-part too). Was it formulated from the same salts, probably not as AN uses cheaply sourced minerals salts and proof of that can be found on the Department of Oregon's Agriculture site where the heavy metal content is listed along with an analysis of the other minerals. How is it that the commonly used Miracle Grow formulas and 50 year old plant food companies like Jacks/Peters make cleaner plant foods than AN yet AN costs 10x as much? It's because AN makes low quality plant foods for people who don't know any better.
Does AN work? Lordjin gets sensi to work well, I think Hellraiser uses the 3-part and I know the 3-part works well because I used the original 3-part (made by GH) for years. Could those experienced growers that I just mentioned get the same results (read; better) and spend less, absolutely. Are they fumbling through grows having not mastered the basics and need pointed in the right direction? Absolutely not.
You're getting off topic again 'phillipchristian, scoobydoobydoo, nuglets, getoffmyballs, sir ganja' or whatever you're going by these days. Your previous post compared the Jungle Juice 3-part to a 1-part, 2-part, and a dry plant food, some of which are intended for a specific style of growing (ie. hydro, soil). Are you just randomly name-dropping brands in effort to stir up more sh*t, Phil? How about you explain to the rest of the folks out there (because I wont see any more of your posts on this account) why it is that AN needs to split up their foods into multiple parts when brands like Botanicare, GH, DG, Jacks, are capable of including everything into one bottle of liquid plant food? Explain to them why AN makes over 40 different products to grow a plant. I'll answer that, THEY WANT OUR MONEY and know stupid stoners would rather throw money at a problem than read a gardening book.
See ya!
ScoobyDoobyDoo
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nice try HB but if that was my account the admin would have deleted it. i actually have a PM from the admin stating that he knows it's not my account but i'm not allowed to post PM's in the forum. feel free to contact him yourself.
p.s. regurjitating the Oregon DOA article...lmao...did you even read that thing? if you did you would know it says nothing about AN using cheap source materials. another lie you've been caught in just to try make yourself look experienced. you end up looking like a shill. and common sense would tell you that having a 2 oe 3 part nutrient allows you to tweak your solution to your plants needs more than a simple 1 part. not all strains and plants like the same levels of base and micro nutes. Dyna is a simple weak formula designed to be easy to use with all strains. it's not designed to be tweaked for maximum yields. it's more for novice growers than anything.
p.s. regurjitating the Oregon DOA article...lmao...did you even read that thing? if you did you would know it says nothing about AN using cheap source materials. another lie you've been caught in just to try make yourself look experienced. you end up looking like a shill. and common sense would tell you that having a 2 oe 3 part nutrient allows you to tweak your solution to your plants needs more than a simple 1 part. not all strains and plants like the same levels of base and micro nutes. Dyna is a simple weak formula designed to be easy to use with all strains. it's not designed to be tweaked for maximum yields. it's more for novice growers than anything.
Private Stash
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Hey Backyardagain! Hope this puts your thread back on track.... I've got some good info for you. I was strictly a Fox Farm user in soil.
Fantastic results using the entire line! Now I'm growing in DWC,(see my grow under DWC section..Tahoe Og and Jillibean grow)using A/N Sensi A-B grow,big bud,b-52,overdrive. I was having issues with my Ph always rising from 5.5 to 6.2 in a matter of 24hrs. . The high Ph started to cause a Calcium deficiency due to high Ph lockout. I recently switched to the Sensi Ph perfect and my ph has been stable for 3 days!! My plants definitely looked happier after stabilizing the Ph. Here are my photos and proof.I started with 7.8ph R.O water.
View attachment 2206917 I am VERY satisfied with A/N and so are my plants. Ph perfect works excellent for me!
Sir.Ganga
New Member
Sorry backyardagain....I wasn't meanen to get off topic but with espect to the AN line up and the crap some people try to pull....!
Nice pics Private!
Like I said a little eariler these additives do not have to be used for their 2 part or 3 part systems to work just fine in any medium. They can however, be implimented to boost your final outcome and/or to increase levels of certain elements required by specific strains. Certain strains will require different level at different times in the life cycle. This is why people have different problems, some strains drain the calcium and require suppliment, some need higher than normal nitrogen.
The problem is if you want to use these additives to any degree of sucess you have to school yourself not only with respects to the nutrients but the specific plants themselves. You will definetly benifet from using a few of these additives but until you, yourself has determined which ones your system and plants require they will only increase your overall costs.
I would say start with their 3 part system and run a couple of cycles, watch your strain for deficiencies and know what you are looking for in an additive before you buy. That goes for all companies, this is where they make their money, but if used properly or should I say smartly they can greatly increase your quality and quantity.
I have used their products with great results in a perpetual cycle for almost 6 yrs. now...
You Tell me...4 week veg and 8 week flower:
This girl is about average, definetly a nice strain but I believe AN has a littl to do with it also.
I have to ask that ...guy...Homebrewer...Who the Hell is PHIL! Sorry..wrong number. This dude is here looking for info don't try to sell him, give the advice to help or shut up.
Try to be helpful.
Nice pics Private!
Like I said a little eariler these additives do not have to be used for their 2 part or 3 part systems to work just fine in any medium. They can however, be implimented to boost your final outcome and/or to increase levels of certain elements required by specific strains. Certain strains will require different level at different times in the life cycle. This is why people have different problems, some strains drain the calcium and require suppliment, some need higher than normal nitrogen.
The problem is if you want to use these additives to any degree of sucess you have to school yourself not only with respects to the nutrients but the specific plants themselves. You will definetly benifet from using a few of these additives but until you, yourself has determined which ones your system and plants require they will only increase your overall costs.
I would say start with their 3 part system and run a couple of cycles, watch your strain for deficiencies and know what you are looking for in an additive before you buy. That goes for all companies, this is where they make their money, but if used properly or should I say smartly they can greatly increase your quality and quantity.
I have used their products with great results in a perpetual cycle for almost 6 yrs. now...
You Tell me...4 week veg and 8 week flower:
This girl is about average, definetly a nice strain but I believe AN has a littl to do with it also.
I have to ask that ...guy...Homebrewer...Who the Hell is PHIL! Sorry..wrong number. This dude is here looking for info don't try to sell him, give the advice to help or shut up.
Try to be helpful.
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ScoobyDoobyDoo
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hey Sir Ganja...great info man. i used to have another account (phillipchristian). it got closed and i opened this account. homebrewer thinks you are me (another account i have). he's so arrogant that he actually thinks i can be the only person who disagrees with hime. therefore; anyone who disagrees with him he claims to be a ghost account of mine. great looking plants btw. he claimed these plants below were crap as well. said that they showed deficiencies and that they were average. be back in a little with some current plant pics.
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homebrewer
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If you're really not Phil, then i'll remove you from my ignore list. At least you can grow a healthy plant beyond the veg stage (assuming that's yours which I have no reason to doubt).
On to the meat and potatoes and I'll make this short and sweet: Certain formulas do better in certain applications and are designed for certain styles of growing. Would you want your nitrogen source in hydro to be 100% urea? How about 60% 'other water soluble nitrogen'? How about 100% ammoniacal nitrogen for soil? The mineral makeup of these formulas is important and not many of them are one-size-fits-all for all growing methods.
In your post above you talk about running a strain and watching for deficiencies. I don't know about you but I had zero deficiencies with GH, zero with my current plant food and H&G's Aqua Flakes is also deficiency-free as well. Guess which plant food showed deficiencies when I used it in my plug-and-play hydro tables? I currently run 14 strains and I feed all of them in the same way; I give them what they need when they need it and I don't have a single deficient leaf in my entire room.
There is so much more to a productive grow than what name is on your plant food bottle but newbs who don't understand the basics of what makes a plant grow want to think that these expensive bottles are filled with pixie dust and guarantees. It doesn't work like that. The info is out there for those who seek it.
ScoobyDoobyDoo
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i beg to differ. running dyna on a little tub with 6 plants is not a fair indicator. none of your plants get the yields being shown here.
Sorry backyardagain....I wasn't meanen to get off topic but with espect to the AN line up and the crap some people try to pull....!
Nice pics Private!
Like I said a little eariler these additives do not have to be used for their 2 part or 3 part systems to work just fine in any medium. They can however, be implimented to boost your final outcome and/or to increase levels of certain elements required by specific strains. Certain strains will require different level at different times in the life cycle. This is why people have different problems, some strains drain the calcium and require suppliment, some need higher than normal nitrogen.
The problem is if you want to use these additives to any degree of sucess you have to school yourself not only with respects to the nutrients but the specific plants themselves. You will definetly benifet from using a few of these additives but until you, yourself has determined which ones your system and plants require they will only increase your overall costs.
I would say start with their 3 part system and run a couple of cycles, watch your strain for deficiencies and know what you are looking for in an additive before you buy. That goes for all companies, this is where they make their money, but if used properly or should I say smartly they can greatly increase your quality and quantity.
I have used their products with great results in a perpetual cycle for almost 6 yrs. now...
You Tell me...4 week veg and 8 week flower:
This girl is about average, definetly a nice strain but I believe AN has a littl to do with it also.
I have to ask that ...guy...Homebrewer...Who the Hell is PHIL! Sorry..wrong number. This dude is here looking for info don't try to sell him, give the advice to help or shut up.
Try to be helpful.
alot of awesome grows with AN. I'm thinking of going with ph perfect connoisseur base with b52, big bud, over drive, bud candy and cal mag for my flower nutes. as for veg i'll still be using the GH 3 part, hygrozyme, and diamond nectar. I'm open for any suggestions for veg tho. everyones grow looks awesome
ScoobyDoobyDoo
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hey kamie, how's it going?
i would hold off on the cal/mag in flower if i were you. i don't think you'll need it. when i started trying out connoisseur i saw that it had plenty of cal/mag and since have been able to drop it for the most part. i'd also frop the hygrozyme in veg if you aren't reusing soil. if you are then i'd stay with it.
i would hold off on the cal/mag in flower if i were you. i don't think you'll need it. when i started trying out connoisseur i saw that it had plenty of cal/mag and since have been able to drop it for the most part. i'd also frop the hygrozyme in veg if you aren't reusing soil. if you are then i'd stay with it.