Still having some problems with the dinafem cheese!

goodbye, dumbass. i'm pretty sure you're a sock for an asshole i already ignored. if not, you're still an asshole, and i don't want to listen to your shit anymore. you grow ugly plants, and plants are the mirror of your soul.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

goodbye, dumbass. i'm pretty sure you're a sock for an asshole i already ignored. if not, you're still an asshole, and i don't want to listen to your shit anymore. you grow ugly plants, and plants are the mirror of your soul.

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LOL...Yikes
You may want to consider some meds stronger than pot...lol

funny thing is I know people that are a lot better at timing their harvest than I am (I leave too much Nitrogen most of the time at harvest). It's an art to time the Nitrogen depletion to harvest time. A while back I watered too much a smaller pot but thought I had plenty of time so I fed it.....well couple weeks later amber trichs showed up. I couldn't hardly stand to smoke the stuff! So once you try it and see the difference in taste yourself then guess you don't know do you?

bezalom said:

See, stuff like this..."water tension"...?!?!? You don't make any sense dude. Tap water has much good stuff in it but will build up crystals...any water except distilled will cause this. (not sure why I'm trying to explain this too you as you kinda like a trool and I'm violating my own rule about feeding trolls so I'm out of here....maybe someday you will see the light...the light green leaf...lol!

No fried plants here...only the dank!

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No see. You don't even understand what I'm talking about and call me stupid.

Go google water tension. All water has tension. So much so that if you are careful you can float a paper clip on water. It's how water spiders walk across water.

Now go google the definition of hydrophobic. It means fear of water on in this case unable to absorb water.

Never once did I mention water tension to you about your plants.

I explained that chronic under watering can cause soil to become so dry it will not absorb water. That's where the water tension comes in. You use a drop of soap to break the water tension and allow the soil to absorb water quicker.

It is worse in peat bases like pro mix or bacto. Seed starters are peat a lot of the times.

This is how I know you have never dealt with large bales of soil that come dry and compacted. You get more for your money but you have to break it up and water it several times.

Now. Maybe you should just abstian from this conversation if you don't understand a simple concept like water tension.

Like I'm talking out my ass here. Go google it.

bezalom said:

LOL...Yikes
You may want to consider some meds stronger than pot...lol

funny thing is I know people that are a lot better at timing their harvest than I am (I leave too much Nitrogen most of the time at harvest). It's an art to time the Nitrogen depletion to harvest time. A while back I watered too much a smaller pot but thought I had plenty of time so I fed it.....well couple weeks later amber trichs showed up. I couldn't hardly stand to smoke the stuff! So once you try it and see the difference in taste yourself then guess you don't know do you?

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You don't understand how a plant works at all. You can't deplete the nutrients. Either they are immobile and can't move or they are mobile.

Nitrogen is mobile. When the leaves turn yellow the stores are moving to New growth or the buds.

You can't rid it. Doesn't work that way.

I've done it. Flushing, fade what ever you want to call it isn't doing what you think.

Proper dry and cure is what makes or breaks cannabis.

Tobacco is dark green when it's cut. Cannabis is the only plant you hear all the silly shit people do.

I need to change my avatar back so this guy doesn't think me and shrubbery are the same guy. Lol.

Peabrain ,you're the idiot.The other 2 above have forgotten more than you will ever know about growing.Go back to your High Times and leave the growing to those that know how.Some people should only buy weed.

Shrubber.....Shrubberies are what i make

Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
shrubberies are my trade. I am a shrubber. My name is Roger A. Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

Shrubber.....Shrubberies are what i make

Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
shrubberies are my trade. I am a shrubber. My name is Roger the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies.

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I recall you saying you are a shrubber.


I laughed. Like I was making stuff up when I said water tension.

whitebb2727 said:

No see. You don't even understand what I'm talking about and call me stupid.

Go google water tension. All water has tension. So much so that if you are careful you can float a paper clip on water. It's how water spiders walk across water.

Now go google the definition of hydrophobic. It means fear of water on in this case unable to absorb water.

Never once did I mention water tension to you about your plants.

I explained that chronic under watering can cause soil to become so dry it will not absorb water. That's where the water tension comes in. You use a drop of soap to break the water tension and allow the soil to absorb water quicker.

It is worse in peat bases like pro mix or bacto. Seed starters are peat a lot of the times.

This is how I know you have never dealt with large bales of soil that come dry and compacted. You get more for your money but you have to break it up and water it several times.

Now. Maybe you should just abstian from this conversation if you don't understand a simple concept like water tension.

Like I'm talking out my ass here. Go google it.

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What does water tension have to do with flushing tap water crystals buildup from root tips?!?!?

So you throw some irrelevant science you found on Google in middle for what? You think it makes you look smart ...lol

Got to thinking though that in this day and age with auto-flower and, "6 week", turn-around fems probably don't need to flush. I grew Maui in late 90's and took 12-14 weeks so after 3 months of buildup yes on flush (been there...seen the difference) and don't mean lie down in the tub soaking kinda flush. The Maui I'm growing now looks like a 6-7 week variety so in that short time you are right a flush is a waste as my rootball will be so extensive in another 2 weeks that every watering will be a flush.

whitebb2727 said:

You don't understand how a plant works at all. You can't deplete the nutrients. Either they are immobile and can't move or they are mobile.

Nitrogen is mobile. When the leaves turn yellow the stores are moving to New growth or the buds.

You can't rid it. Doesn't work that way.

I've done it. Flushing, fade what ever you want to call it isn't doing what you think.

Proper dry and cure is what makes or breaks cannabis.

Tobacco is dark green when it's cut. Cannabis is the only plant you hear all the silly shit people do.

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You are wrong. Eventually the plant will use up all nutients and die if just watered.

Just like every other plant on the planet....cannot survive on distilled water..it will eventually die from lack of nutients...now where did those nutrients go? Gee, since mobile maybe they went to the moon!

No,you are wrong.You have no idea what it takes to grow weed!Do you love mars hydro?You sure seem the type.Move on and troll elsewhere.Hey ,I'll take a taxus or 2!!

bezalom said:

What does water tension have to do with flushing tap water crystals buildup from root tips?!?!?

So you throw some irrelevant science you found on Google in middle for what? You think it makes you look smart but you still an idiot...lol

Got to thinking though that in this day and age with auto-flower and, "6 week", turn-around fems probably don't need to flush. I grew Maui in late 90's and took 12-14 weeks so after 3 months of buildup yes on flush (been there...seen the difference) and don't mean lie down in the tub soaking kinda flush. The Maui I'm growing now looks like a 6-7 week variety so in that short time you are right a flush is a waste as my rootball will be so extensive in another 2 weeks that every watering will be a flush.

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Nothing ignaramous.

That was my point. Water tension was brought up to the op. Not you. You jumped in on it.

Water tension is real. Has nothing to do with roots. Just hydrophobic soil.

bezalom said:

You are wrong. Eventually the plant will use up all nutients and die if just watered. Your an idiot!

Just like every other plant on the planet....cannot survive on distilled water..it will eventually die from lack of nutients...now where did those nutrients go? Gee, since mobile maybe they went to the moon!

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Well yea it will eventually die but not for that reason.
Some of those nutrients will never leave. The nitrogen moves. How do you think composting works? Duh!

Carry on growing fried starved plants. Lol.

Kind of like talking to a wall,a dumb wall.Or maybe a blond?

i'd rather talk to a wall, i feel i'd get more intelligent responses

whitebb2727 said:

Nothing ignaramous.

That was my point. Water tension was brought up to the op. Not you. You jumped in on it.

Water tension is real. Has nothing to do with roots. Just hydrophobic soil.


Well yea it will eventually die but not for that reason.
Some of those nutrients will never leave. The nitrogen moves. How do you think composting works? Duh!

Carry on growing fried starved plants. Lol.

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You wrong, he mentioned water tension in response to my post

Idiot...never is a long time...ashes to ashes...dust to dust

nothing lasts forever.....especially nutrients...lol

possible last post here:

I was telling my wife that I was surprised a mod didn't step in and correct this guy on bad advice to a guy to to feed his beauty that late in flower. Crazy man! Guess they figure to each his own!

Guess things have changed with all this additive crap (that mostly just screws up genetics) where people feed em up until harvest and smoke a bunch of nitrates and who knows what else and think it's primo bud when could be much better. Idiot know-it-all newbies! After you have been growing 25 years come and talk to me!

It seems no one has addressed your overwatering issue. @whitebb2727 alluded to it. You should be watering when the pots are light. Actually lifting them up. Over watering is one of the most common mistakes newer growers make and leads to many different issues.

Chef420 said:

It seems no one has addressed your overwatering issue. @whitebb2727 alluded to it. You should be watering when the pots are light. Actually lifting them up. Over watering is one of the most common mistakes newer growers make and leads to many different issues.

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They look great! No overwatering. looks like they need a fan though. No twisting of leaves or cupping from what I see.

Indica dom leaves often aren't perky like sativa dom like pic below. They easily lay down and don't get back up...that's normal. Over watering would have twisting leaves and leaf cupping. Google marijuana harvest pics and see all the pot finishing with light green/yellow leaves (purple often if cold). Just because you guys think it's ok to feed em up to harvest then hell.....it's your smoke...just could be much better...you to stubborn to try a test of your own.. so smoke your nitrates and trash....just don't advise others to do that....because that's just wrong!

Chef420 said:

It seems no one has addressed your overwatering issue. @whitebb2727 alluded to it. You should be watering when the pots are light. Actually lifting them up. Over watering is one of the most common mistakes newer growers make and leads to many different issues.

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That's the issue. This guy keeps saying there is nothing wrong.

bezalom said:

They look great! No overwatering. looks like they need a fan though. No twisting of leaves or cupping from what I see.

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There is something wrong and you aren't doing a service saying otherwise.

Why didn't a mod step in? I can actually diagnose a plant. I tend not to say anything unless I have an idea what it is.

Masochist said:

So ive been letting the soil dry for 2 days now and counting. Spots getting bigger on leaves as well. I increased ventilation especially to the roots and pot but it needs to hurry up and dry out dammit. I drilled holes in the side of my pot and im thinking about slightly aerating it with a coat hanger or something. Think that could speed up the process? My babies been on a halt for like a week! Think itll bounce back alright?

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I know your pain. I just went through this same issues in Dec/Jan when I bought a bag of tupur soil mix that was out of condition. Tupur is coco and the bag must have dried out and then got wet again while the store/vendor had it. I didn't know the mix was bunk so I didn't recondition the coco and within a couple of weeks my shit had basically stopped growing.

I thought it was ph, then I thought it was my cal/mag or fertilizer went bad but after addressing those issues my plants seemed to get a little better but still suffered. That's when it dawned on me the tupur must be the issue so I went and got a fresh bag from a reputable source and bam shit was back on track.

The bad tupur mix wouldn't dry out like normal and the roots got water logged. It would take a week for the 2 gallon pot to dry out when it should have only taken 1 or 2 days.

It's all here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/grapes-13-hazeman.954539/