Somatek
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GTA seeds is the only one I know that had officially announced it's closing. Haven't heard anything specific from other companies.
Seed stores closing oct 17? im stocking up!!
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Lightgreen2k
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Look at all the green rushers in this thread. LOL
You should know all of the seedbanks that ship to canada had you been doing this for LOVE even in 2008-2010.
Good luck
You should know all of the seedbanks that ship to canada had you been doing this for LOVE even in 2008-2010.
Good luck
Lightgreen2k
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Whats wrong if the Power is in the Illegal growers hand. You sound the type to call up an illegal grow.
Didnt the illegal growers make it possible for the legal market.
Rob Roy
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The fact that the government is mandating anything, provides evidence that the government is consolidating power.
Government productivity is an oxymoron.
Somatek
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I don't understand your point, why is it a bad thing if the small underground growers control the power in the new licensing system? Do you want the corporate LP's to hold the power?
The underground growers created the market so why shouldn't they cash in on it? If the underground breeders shouldn't cash in from their years of work, who should?
I use to run & hydro shop, teaching people how to grow. Why would you think I'd turn anyone in? Because I support moving to a legal system & recognise that keeping it illegal allows shitty companies to keep exploiting the canna-community?
Somatek
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What is the gov mandating? Do you mean that by creating any regulations they're trying to mandate how we live? That's a stretch.
hillbill
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Same here but I don't smoke most days though. Been vaping daily for years.
GreenHighlander
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Fuck the "green rushers" , fuck the "holier the thou" license holders, fuck the greedy cunts.
Everyone just keep doing what you have always done.
I am legal and other then being online now, nothing has changed other then a little piece of mind.
Cheers
Everyone just keep doing what you have always done.
I am legal and other then being online now, nothing has changed other then a little piece of mind.
Cheers
Somatek
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Of course there will be more laws. Before it was simple, blanket prohibition unless you have a med license. Now they have to regulate all sorts of activities, just like alcohol or tobacco are legislated.
Just because they're making laws, doesn't mean they'll be enforced to the fullest. Just like our current laws aren't enforced. Courts aren't going to start throwing kids in jail just for selling to other kids because the maximum penal. They probably will have strict penalties for anyone caught selling pot to minors.
Seed sales will be better of in a regulated free market. Look at how many companies out there get away with ripping people off because they pay with cash. Look at how many people push shitty knock offs. There's always people asking where they can find clones, soon that'll be simple.
Sure there's issues with the bill & new regs. Of course there would be. That doesn't mean we toss the baby out with the bathwater. At this point the only barrier to building a legal barrier is being too afraid/paranoid to do it.
Home growers aren't going to be affected but anyone who's making money off of it really should be looking critically at what's going on because prices aren't staying propped up for much longer.
LinguaPeel
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I live in the USA and they are growing auto instead of photos in my state medical program.. Personal grow rights do not exist. Food for thought.
Somatek
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That's why I see balance, despite the regulations (some which are definitely heavy handed) at least all Canadians have;
-the right to grow their own (4 plants rec, as many as a med license allow)
-legal competition in a free market for those that want to buy
-legal framework for selling seeds/clones
Rob Roy
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When you say "regulated free market", I'm curious what you mean by that ? Who or what would be the regulator ?
Rob Roy
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I don't mean to be rude, but you're using the terms "free market" and "right" in ways that describe something else.
A government regulated market is not a free market. A government mandated limitation on number of plants doesn't describe a "right", it describes a revocable privilege.
The idea that "all Canadians" are being equally threatened by a government mandated plant limit isn't equality in the free market sense, it's equality of oppression, which is a different thing entirely and closer to being opposite to a real free market.
Somatek
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Same as everything, the gov we elect in our broken democracy.
All markets are regulated to a certain extent because we have labour laws. True free markets with no regulation would be nice but Smith's ideal of competition never fully panned out which is why the gov sets basic regulations.
Alcohol is regulated but companies are still free to compete within those bounds. While overly regulated in some ways because of the stigma (which is to be expected) companies still have the ability to compete within those regulations. Arguable they've created a lot more then most have expected by not making the industry accessible to those with a criminal past, allowing easy transfer of genetics into the nee system, allowing outdoor growing which has a much lower production overhead cost, etc.
I'm not interested in arguing semantics; so let me rephrase that. In the new highly regulated gov system of production & distribution we have the choice to buy from any competitor of the quickly growing number (LP's have double in the last year before they introduced the new, less restrictive & more accessible heavy regulations) or we can choose to grow our own because the elected gov insisted on removing the amendment that would have allowed provinces to supercede federal law. So we have the same "freedom" as we do in most markets, which are regulated to a greater or lesser market.
If you choose to see that as living under government oppression that's your choice. Everything is in context, unless you live isolated & off the grid your life is regulated to a greater or lesser extent. We have to follow rules of the road, criminal law, pay taxes. I'm fine with that as I've yet to see a better way of organising people on the scale that we have to. It doesn't mean I agree with it, that's why we've got a 5 acre plot in an unorganised township where an anarchist community is growing as the long term plan. I still understand that it only works on a small scale at this point because of human nature & competition/greed.
When companies try to avoid those regulations we usually find human rights abuses. Like the clothing industry that's mostly offshore in countries with poor regulations, like Bangladesh. That's why I understand regulation as a necessary evil at this point. I'd love to be proven wrong though. Give me some examples of a free market where production/distribution doesn't have some regulation involved.
Rob Roy
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Criminal law? Yes, many (most?) statutory laws and regulations are criminal, in that they are malum prohibitum rather than actual sources of seeking and delivering justice.
Necessary evil? A term filled with rationalization.
The fact that regulation is prevalent, isn't the same thing as saying it's necessary. In most instances regulation is used as a form of protectionism to the benefit of legally favored people and the detriment of others, those who suffer under the loss burden of what might have been due to some government erected barrier or another.
A free market tends to be regulated by consumer freedom of choice, rather than arbitrary self serving interventions from a coercive third party, ie Government. The fact that there are very few real free markets doesn't evidence that they are inefficient or wrong, it really only points out that they are DISALLOWED, by government, which is a different thing than inefficient or whether they are morally sound or just.
Anyway, not trying to harsh on your commentary or thoughts. I just don't think many people understand what a real free market is or isn't and they often erroneously default to the idea that government omnipresence and a free market can exist in the same circumstance. They can't, since they are concepts with opposing meanings.
Plant limits, sales restrictions, etc. by government are an example of an "anti free market" , not examples of a free market.
The fact that you have a choice to purchase alcohol from a number of suppliers within a structured regulated, taxed and legislatively protected market. is a sort of false dichotomy and doesn't mean we should call it a free market thing.
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Somatek
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I agree that we don't actually have any free markets because everything is regulated to a greater or lesser extent. Ideally we'd be semantically accurate but if that was the case we wouldn't be using indica/sativa or any number of words in common vocabulary. Those are bigger issues that I don't see much point in debating but you are correct that I was using the term loosely to fit common perception that isn't semantically accurate.
I'd also agree that sections of the new law definitely over regulated pot the new industry.
I still stand by the point that overall they've created an open regulated market for people to compete in that doesn't explicitly favour the established LP's. Which should abolish any fear of the gov trying to create a monopoly of a few LP's to keep the prices artificially inflated.
It'll be interesting to track the prices in provinces allowing private sales vs those running gov stores. That's getting off topic though as it's barely connected to the OP about seed sales...