Scrog Screen Design and Height

Weishen1121

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I'm trying to setup a scrog in my 2x4x5 tent and I almost have everything up and running.
Going to have 2 plants in separate 5 gallon buckets w/ 400w HPS all the way through.

I think I overestimated the amount that would be lost due to bucket and hood/filter but basically..
I have ~25 inches from the glass of my air cooled hood to the rim of the buckets/hydroton.

How high would you guys recommend making the screen from the rim of the bucket/hydroton?
Planning on using PVC and mounting screen directly onto lids. *if anyone has some plans for PVC screens, please pm me!

Do I need to keep cutting the plant if it exceeds a certain height during veg? Which height would that be?
 
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714steadyeddie

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image.jpeg Usually you want the screen 6-8 inches from the soil / lid....

The point of the screen is to spread the plant out so everything reaches the same level..

I made my screen out of:
3/4 pvc... Then some nails.. And garden screen.
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chronicboomz

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Alright bud,

I would say you need your screen as low as possible to maximise your grow space. Obviously you need to be able to get under your screen for maintenance/trimming, and you need room for the stems and airflow.

So you have a 400w HPS air cooled w/glass; thats great - you should be able to grow fairly close to the glass. I use 600HPS and w/out glass, so I'm not too sure on the distance you will be able to achieve from your glass to the canopy, but with good extraction and an additional fan at canopy level I would think you will be aiming somewhere between 4 - 6 inches away. Hopefully there will be no light bleaching at this distance.

Again, I am not exactly sure on the light penetration of a 400HPS behind glass, but I would think it should penetrate at least 12 -18 inches down into your canopy (strain / defoliation style dependant).

If you think I'm way off with the distance you can have your lights then adjust what I am saying accordingly...

What strain are you running? From seed or cut? These are important points to consider when setting up your scrog space and designing the scrog screen itself. I would make my screen from wood rather than PVC (more sturdy, plus is PVC safe to have under HPS at such close distance? I'm not sure). I would make my screen as big as would just fit inside my tent. I would use 50mm chicken wire for my screen, and a staple gun to attach it. alternatively use opposing eyelets to run string/whatever in a grid, again with 50mm spacing. I would also add wooden legs rather than attaching the screen to my buckets to allow easier access underneath.

This would be a good choice of netting:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/221807592059?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=122&chn=ps&googleloc=1007064&poi=&campaignid=270621186&device=c&adgroupid=16885268106&rlsatarget=pla-146650298466&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=122

If you were growing a 50/50 hybrid, from seed - which you would expect to roughly double in size after the flip to flower, I would aim to fill 70% of your scrog screen holes before the flip. This way the initial stretch of the plant in the first 7 days of 12/12 fills up the remaining 30% of your scrog screen. You then allow the second week of stretch growth to go vertically (say another 12-14 inch above the screen by the time stretch ends).

Of course, if you choose a sativa it may stretch a lot more - so act accordingly when choosing when to flip to 12/12.

This should prove most efficient use of available space in your scrog set up, as if you lollipop under the screen, your light should then penetrate the full depth of your canopy above the screen. Thus your making full use of both horizontal and vertical planes of your scrog.

So to sum up, I would say allow 6 inch for gap between glass and canopy, 14 inch for your canopy, and your golden. This gives you 20 inch. Ideally you would set your screen at a 5 inch height, which is just about enough room to work with under the screen.

bOOm
 
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Weishen1121

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Oh man.. thank you guys for the great pictures and info. Makes it a lot more clear now... I love the manifold you have under the screen, I'm trying to do that too and have 4 mains hopefully.
I had to go with PVC because I need the screens attached to the bucket. I need to be able to lift them off and do a weekly cleaning of the buckets. I tried to make them as low as possible, purchased some 45 elbow PVC and realized 90 degree would be much shorter, here is my current setup all done:
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but my babies aren't doing so well right now, the bubba is kinda drooping.. I did a res change w/ 1/4str FloraGro per gallon and lowered Bubba to 2.5 gallons, Kens 3 gallons. 5.9-6 pH and 210/270ppm.
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I'm also getting some new clamps that I can hopefully hold the light safely with, take a look here.
This combined with some better light hangers will hopefully give me a few more inches, but I will def try to keep these babies short as possible still. Bubba is a very short bushy plant so I've heard but Kens not exactly sure, but still should be short. They are both clones from a local dispensary.

My temperatures are really annoying me as well. I had a full 2-3 hours to test and the temps were about 70-75 at most but after I got my plants in there somehow the temps are around 90. I stick my hand in front of the exhaust and it's pretty damn cool air.. or well maybe somewhat warm but def nowhere near 90.. I ordered a new temp check w/ probe so I can leave it outside the tent and monitor it.. I can even touch the glass and keep my hand there.. it def does not feel like 90 I'm just worried about temps though.. my room temp is like 71 and it feels kinda cold too.. (the exhaust is located in my room)

Anyways this has been super fun. I am really excited and SUPER thankful to everyone here! These forums have just been freakin amazing.. so much info and such nice people.. I can't wait to become a pro!!!

EDIT: lowered bubba to 2gallon, sketched out about the drooping..
 
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