Scientist says all cannabis basically the same?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i've started chucking, make my own CS. prices are crazy.
most "breeders" are just chuckers that can't reproduce the same strain twice. i don't mind paying for fire genetics, but when i get 4 different phenos out of a pack of 5 feminized seeds, that's not breeding, that's chucking.

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That right there is why I chuck and mainly grow my own crosses. If I'm going to pheno hunt through a bunch of seeds to find something decent, I may as well do it with more or less free seeds. If I find something worthy in the cross it goes on, otherwise it gets the yank and try another. No different than many of the commercials seeds out there today ime, and more rewarding when you find something unique.

I just started chucking myself, gonna chuck this male tangie to my white fire og i found from seeds purchased at the 2015 cannabis cup

Somatek said:

Assuming you're growing the 20 seeds in one room, exposed to the same environment you'd be seeing 4 different phenotypic expressions of 4 different genotypes. If you took 4 clones of the same plant & grew it in 4 different rooms you'd have 4 phenotypic expressions of 1 genotype. I hope that clears things up.

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No. I get it. I disagree with it. I get what some are calling genotype. To me though different seeds can't be the same genotype unless there was more than one embryo per seed.

There's no way they can share 100% of the genes.

Out of those 20 seeds they share most of the same genetic material.

I bet the difference in what you are calling genotype is about the same as the difference in what you are calling phenotype.

GroErr said:

That right there is why I chuck and mainly grow my own crosses. If I'm going to pheno hunt through a bunch of seeds to find something decent, I may as well do it with more or less free seeds. If I find something worthy in the cross it goes on, otherwise it gets the yank and try another. No different than many of the commercials seeds out there today ime, and more rewarding when you find something unique.

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Most seeds now will be F1 crosses. It's common in ag.

The plants will perform pretty much uniform and it keeps people from recreating the cross.

If it's not F1 and performs fairly uniform then it's a well worked strain.

I do the same. Make my own regular crosses and fem crosses.

Landraces are strong and at very little risk from a few chuckers. Its like sending a handful of sex addicts to Kenya, In 200 years there would be no visible genetic sign they were there.

ANC said:

Landraces are strong and at very little risk from a few chuckers. Its like sending a handful of sex addicts to Kenya, In 200 years there would be no visible genetic sign they were there.

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oh? the kenyans like to get busy? hmm, lets plan a kenyan "safari".....

No I just meant a few foreign seeds isn't going to make a dent in the fields of wild weed growing here. There is variation, but it is also all the same. I actually like finding the few weird phenos going around the bagweed nowadays. I always like finding a natural purple for outdoors as they finish of quicker over winter.

TimBar said:

Too many Pollen Chuckers? Do you blame them? With 10-25 dollars a seed, cheese and rice, chuck some pollen.

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Just chucked some Critical Kush pollen onto a White Widow and a CB Dream this morning.

Busted my cherry, and theirs.

...and regarding the article; the dude that is a proponent of "the entourage effect" smokes weed - the woman who is skeptical, doesn't.

Most people with even moderate experience can feel the difference between a typical Sativa and a typical Indica. With a bit more experience, they can feel differences between 2 different Sativas or Indicas, or hybrids.

I only just started to really explore different strains and it is already obvious to me how different Dutch Dragon (almost manic) is from Sour Diesel (upbeat) , or how different Afghan Kush (mellow) is from Pot of Gold (dizzy/sloppy). To say they are basically all the same is patently false.

However, getting into minute details about different flavours and effects - well that is debatable but ultimately if it enhances some people's enjoyment of cannabis (similar to wine appreciation) then go for it. If it doesn't detract from my experience then why the fuck would I care?

ANC said:

No I just meant a few foreign seeds isn't going to make a dent in the fields of wild weed growing here. There is variation, but it is also all the same. I actually like finding the few weird phenos going around the bagweed nowadays. I always like finding a natural purple for outdoors as they finish of quicker over winter.

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That's with all strains. Anything you grow need to acclimate.

That's the reason for phenotypic expressions. It allows the plants to adapt and survive.

TimBar said:

Too many Pollen Chuckers? Do you blame them? With 10-25 dollars a seed, cheese and rice, chuck some pollen.

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I agree (and chuck), but one thing doesn't necessarily preclude another ?

I read somewhere in a discussion about 'where is the real skunk', someone suggested the smellier skunk plants were bred out for security reasons back in the illegal atmosphere of the mid-90s ??

..and that sure made some sense to me because it doesn't seem to be around now,

I think in general that type of "designer" breeding over years and decades maybe at least a part of what seems to be the diminishing psychedelic high ?

The real skunk is still out there in the bush somewhere from where its sister was pulled.

ANC said:

The real skunk is still out there in the bush somewhere from where its sister was pulled.

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Yes. It is.

I said something about strong smells being bred out for stealth reasons.

I have some seeds from my youth laying around I need to pop some of before they go bad.

What were the skunk strains? There were diffrrent ones. Some were Mexican drug strains. Some were from elsewhere.

I remember sativa skunks. Red hair and long skinny light green buds.

I remember indica skunks. Darker and more squat. Afgans maybe?

ANC said:

The real skunk is still out there in the bush somewhere from where its sister was pulled.

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Would like to think so (starting to doubt it)

whitebb2727 said:

There's no way they can share 100% of the genes.

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Absolutely correct, I was just using the numbers from the previous example to simplify the point for clarity. It's more accurate to say there'd be 20 genotypes that overlap in some ways but is unlikely 2 would be identical. Whether there's enough variation between those genotypes to see widely varying phenotypes would depend on how hetero or homozygous the parents were.

Sorry if simplifying things cause more confusion.

Beachwalker said:

I agree (and chuck), but one thing doesn't necessarily preclude another ?

I read somewhere in a discussion about 'where is the real skunk', someone suggested the smellier skunk plants were bred out for security reasons back in the illegal atmosphere of the mid-90s ??

..and that sure made some sense to me because it doesn't seem to be around now,

I think in general that type of "designer" breeding over years and decades maybe at least a part of what seems to be the diminishing psychedelic high ?

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You might find this vid interesting (and the updates to the project)

whitebb2727 said:

Most seeds now will be F1 crosses. It's common in ag.

The plants will perform pretty much uniform and it keeps people from recreating the cross.

If it's not F1 and performs fairly uniform then it's a well worked strain.

I do the same. Make my own regular crosses and fem crosses.

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This i believe to be the major problem.
Breeders are buying F1 seeds to breed. I dont like it. It just doesn't sit well with me.
There is so much variation now. But its all so closely related.

Used to be we had to scour the earth to find unique genes. Because it was different in every region in the world.
Now we just order them over the Internet, from all the same c#@ts. Its so inbred.

Hell im a chucker too. But i wouldnt start selling them as a breeder. Id be kidding myself.

Having those genes, is instant choice, and variety. To work into a stable strain.
Most are only caring about the quick cash grabs.
You'll make more money selling seeds than flowers. Much longer shelf life too.

ANC said:

Landraces are strong and at very little risk from a few chuckers. Its like sending a handful of sex addicts to Kenya, In 200 years there would be no visible genetic sign they were there.

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This exactly!!!
Well said ANC

The problem is when a land race starts to be cultivated, it then is no longer a land race but a cultivated domestic strain.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i've started chucking, make my own CS. prices are crazy.
most "breeders" are just chuckers that can't reproduce the same strain twice. i don't mind paying for fire genetics, but when i get 4 different phenos out of a pack of 5 feminized seeds, that's not breeding, that's chucking.

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This is my pet peeve as well. I have CBD blueberry, paid $79 bucks for 5 seeds, the 5 seeds turned into 2 major pheno. One group is distinctively Indica and the other is clearly Sativa and among the groupings, there is clear difference as well.... so yeah, out of 5 seeds, I end up with 4 phenos.

Question is...which one is the so called CBD Blueberry?

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