Scientist says all cannabis basically the same?

whitebb2727 · May 30, 2018

So what you don't know the lineage. I mean when people started getting cuts and strains from around the world they didn't really know the lineage. They just went with it and worked them.

Pick what you like and start working it.

Xs121 · May 30, 2018

Lucky Luke said:
I love fem seeds due to my space and counts but we all know regs are the go if searching for a particular trait

That is true in cannabis world. But in other breeding however. If a breeder says that his pregnant Angus Cattle will give birth to angus cattle and he's pre-selling the yet to born calves, I expect that I would be receiving Angus cattle and not Jersey, Hereford or Galloway. Nothing wrong with these breeds but I I'm paying for Angus. Same thing with plants, If the breeder say he's selling Blue corn, I expect to receive Blue corn and not Waxy, Flint, or the Dent varieties.

The reason why I'm buying feminized seeds because I want to produce said CBD Blueberry not to breed them or hunt for phenotype. You're absolutely right, that if I want to breed then the route to go is regular seeds, not feminized. Therefore, I expect that feminized seeds are true to the selfied mother (aka stable genetics).

I'm not looking to breed or create my own, I'm looking to 'produce' what they are supposedly selling for consumption and not for reproduction. Otherwise, I'll chuck my own pollen just like everybody else.

Tim1987 · May 30, 2018

Xs121 said:
That is true in cannabis world. But in other breeding however. If a breeder says that his pregnant Angus Cattle will give birth to angus cattle and he's pre-selling the yet to born calves, I expect that I would be receiving Angus cattle and not Jersey, Hereford or Galloway. Nothing wrong with these breeds but I I'm paying for Angus. Same thing with plants, If the breeder say he's selling Blue corn, I expect to receive Blue corn and not Waxy, Flint, or the Dent varieties.

The reason why I'm buying feminized seeds because I want to produce said CBD Blueberry not to breed them or hunt for phenotype. You're absolutely right, that if I want to breed then the route to go is regular seeds, not feminized. Therefore, I expect that feminized seeds are true to the selfied mother (aka stable genetics).

I'm not looking to breed or create my own, I'm looking to 'produce' what they are supposedly selling for consumption and not for reproduction. Otherwise, I'll chuck my own pollen just like everybody else.

THIS +++++++
Exactly sir.

Beachwalker · May 30, 2018

Xs121 said:
That is true in cannabis world. But in other breeding however. If a breeder says that his pregnant Angus Cattle will give birth to angus cattle and he's pre-selling the yet to born calves, I expect that I would be receiving Angus cattle and not Jersey, Hereford or Galloway. Nothing wrong with these breeds but I I'm paying for Angus. Same thing with plants, If the breeder say he's selling Blue corn, I expect to receive Blue corn and not Waxy, Flint, or the Dent varieties.

The reason why I'm buying feminized seeds because I want to produce said CBD Blueberry not to breed them or hunt for phenotype. You're absolutely right, that if I want to breed then the route to go is regular seeds, not feminized. Therefore, I expect that feminized seeds are true to the selfied mother (aka stable genetics).

I'm not looking to breed or create my own, I'm looking to 'produce' what they are supposedly selling for consumption and not for reproduction. Otherwise, I'll chuck my own pollen just like everybody else.

"The reason why I'm buying feminized seeds because I want to produce said CBD Blueberry not to breed them or hunt for phenotype."

^thank you!

Tim1987 · May 30, 2018

I reckon most breeders selling seeds. Are storing their "best" seeds for themselves.
Cloning phenotypes for mums and dads. Then just flowering out rooms full of clones. (mums and a dad or two)
Why wouldnt they?
It'd be insane not to.

Its also insane to pass your best stock on to the consumer.
Why wouldnt it be?

too larry · May 30, 2018

Xs121 said:
That is true in cannabis world. But in other breeding however. If a breeder says that his pregnant Angus Cattle will give birth to angus cattle and he's pre-selling the yet to born calves, I expect that I would be receiving Angus cattle and not Jersey, Hereford or Galloway. Nothing wrong with these breeds but I I'm paying for Angus. Same thing with plants, If the breeder say he's selling Blue corn, I expect to receive Blue corn and not Waxy, Flint, or the Dent varieties.

The reason why I'm buying feminized seeds because I want to produce said CBD Blueberry not to breed them or hunt for phenotype. You're absolutely right, that if I want to breed then the route to go is regular seeds, not feminized. Therefore, I expect that feminized seeds are true to the selfied mother (aka stable genetics).

I'm not looking to breed or create my own, I'm looking to 'produce' what they are supposedly selling for consumption and not for reproduction. Otherwise, I'll chuck my own pollen just like everybody else.

That is not the way s1's work. The seeds are not a clone of the mother. They will be different from each other. Not as different as if a real male was used, but still different.

If you want a particular pheno and don't want to search for it, you will have to get clones.

too larry · May 30, 2018

Tim1987 said:
I reckon most breeders selling seeds. Are storing their "best" seeds for themselves.
Cloning phenotypes for mums and dads. Then just flowering out rooms full of clones. (mums and a dad or two)
Why wouldnt we?
It'd be insane not to.

Its also insane to pass your best stock on to the consumer.
Why wouldnt it be?

Breeders horde cuts over seeds. Most seeds that are for sell are from two distinct plants. Clones of those two plants are used for the actual seed making. Many breeders will only have one boss male per location and many female strains to cross him with. This is the safest way for the seed you buy to be what they are supposed to be.

When those cuts are lost, the strains they made are lost, at least in a commercial sense. The fires in Cali last year cost SubCool some of his prized males. But often it can be as simple as moving from one house to another. Lots of strains have been lost due to everyday shit. Ex wives and jail time being high on that list.

And it is supply and demand. Anyone can charge as much for anything as the market will bear. It is up to individuals to decide if it is worth that much to them. I choose not to spend real money on growing. I've spent $110 on seeds in my life. And I have more strains than I have time to grow.

Xs121 · May 30, 2018

too larry said:
That is not the way s1's work. The seeds are not a clone of the mother. They will be different from each other. Not as different as if a real male was used, but still different.

If you want a particular pheno and don't want to search for it, you will have to get clones.

I'm not looking for pheno or s1 or f1...I want what they advertise...hey buy this strain cuz according to lab analysis this strain contain 7% thc and 7%CBD. Now that I have 4 phenotypes...which one of the phenotype contain 7%thc and 7%CBD?....it doesn't have to be exact but at least when you see you're growing similar looking plants (stable genetics), you can be assured that you're getting what they advertise (assuming they are not crooks).

Or another strain being advertise...hey buy me cuz lab test shows I have 31%thc. Most people don't care what is the genetic make-up of the strain but they want to be assured that their THC is close to what they are hyping. If you are getting different phenotypes then rest assured that your THC is all over the place too….not according to what they advertise.

I can breed on my own, I've been involve in serious breeding program for decades (not cannabis). I grow cannabis based on what the breeders claim their strain is suppose to be. If they are selling medical strain then its better be at close to the level of CBD they are claiming it to be.

If they claim their CBD strain is 21% CBD and turns out the plants are producing 21% THC instead of CBD...what good is that medically? This is the problem of the medical community when it comes to marijuana strain......currently, there is no consistency on the strain claim. One CBD blueberry is different to the next CBD blueberry plant....and the problem is....no stable genetics.

too larry · May 30, 2018

This is what "basically the same genetically" looks like.

Lucky Luke · May 30, 2018

Xs121 said:
I'm not looking for pheno or s1 or f1...I want what they advertise...hey buy this strain cuz according to lab analysis this strain contain 7% thc and 7%CBD. Now that I have 4 phenotypes...which one of the phenotype contain 7%thc and 7%CBD?....it doesn't have to be exact but at least when you see you're growing similar looking plants (stable genetics), you can be assured that you're getting what they advertise (assuming they are not crooks).

Or another strain being advertise...hey buy me cuz lab test shows I have 31%thc. Most people don't care what is the genetic make-up of the strain but they want to be assured that their THC is close to what they are hyping. If you are getting different phenotypes then rest assured that your THC is all over the place too….not according to what they advertise.

I can breed on my own, I've been involve in serious breeding program for decades (not cannabis). I grow cannabis based on what the breeders claim their strain is suppose to be. If they are selling medical strain then its better be at close to the level of CBD they are claiming it to be.

If they claim their CBD strain is 21% CBD and turns out the plants are producing 21% THC instead of CBD...what good is that medically? This is the problem of the medical community when it comes to marijuana strain......currently, there is no consistency on the strain claim. One CBD blueberry is different to the next CBD blueberry plant....and the problem is....no stable genetics.

If chasing a cbd content then you HAVE to do a test. Its impossible to guarantee that from seed I believe.

Aussie guy started a thread on home CBD /thc test ill see if I can find it for you.
Carnt seem to find it I think it was by @PhenoMenal

Edit: here it is. https://www.rollitup.org/t/cbd-blitz-find-a-high-cbd-low-thc-mother-from-seed-in-only-3-weeks.963846/

Xs121 · May 30, 2018

too larry said:
This is what "basically the same genetically" looks like.

my bagweed is way much better than either :bigjoint:

whitebb2727 · May 30, 2018

Xs121 said:
I'm not looking for pheno or s1 or f1...I want what they advertise...hey buy this strain cuz according to lab analysis this strain contain 7% thc and 7%CBD. Now that I have 4 phenotypes...which one of the phenotype contain 7%thc and 7%CBD?....it doesn't have to be exact but at least when you see you're growing similar looking plants (stable genetics), you can be assured that you're getting what they advertise (assuming they are not crooks).

Or another strain being advertise...hey buy me cuz lab test shows I have 31%thc. Most people don't care what is the genetic make-up of the strain but they want to be assured that their THC is close to what they are hyping. If you are getting different phenotypes then rest assured that your THC is all over the place too….not according to what they advertise.

I can breed on my own, I've been involve in serious breeding program for decades (not cannabis). I grow cannabis based on what the breeders claim their strain is suppose to be. If they are selling medical strain then its better be at close to the level of CBD they are claiming it to be.

If they claim their CBD strain is 21% CBD and turns out the plants are producing 21% THC instead of CBD...what good is that medically? This is the problem of the medical community when it comes to marijuana strain......currently, there is no consistency on the strain claim. One CBD blueberry is different to the next CBD blueberry plant....and the problem is....no stable genetics.

Lab test don't really mean much. Probably what one of the parents tested at.

I'm sure there are legit breeders out there that the numbers are true. Those are far and few though.

Lucky Luke · May 30, 2018

I'll just repost this by itself so its not lost in my babble.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/cbd-blit...-thc-mother-from-seed-in-only-3-weeks.963846/

too larry · May 30, 2018

Xs121 said:
I'm not looking for pheno or s1 or f1...I want what they advertise...hey buy this strain cuz according to lab analysis this strain contain 7% thc and 7%CBD. Now that I have 4 phenotypes...which one of the phenotype contain 7%thc and 7%CBD?....it doesn't have to be exact but at least when you see you're growing similar looking plants (stable genetics), you can be assured that you're getting what they advertise (assuming they are not crooks).

Or another strain being advertise...hey buy me cuz lab test shows I have 31%thc. Most people don't care what is the genetic make-up of the strain but they want to be assured that their THC is close to what they are hyping. If you are getting different phenotypes then rest assured that your THC is all over the place too….not according to what they advertise.

I can breed on my own, I've been involve in serious breeding program for decades (not cannabis). I grow cannabis based on what the breeders claim their strain is suppose to be. If they are selling medical strain then its better be at close to the level of CBD they are claiming it to be.

If they claim their CBD strain is 21% CBD and turns out the plants are producing 21% THC instead of CBD...what good is that medically? This is the problem of the medical community when it comes to marijuana strain......currently, there is no consistency on the strain claim. One CBD blueberry is different to the next CBD blueberry plant....and the problem is....no stable genetics.

With seeds you are going to have variations. If there is only one of the 4 CDB blueberry phenos that have the traits you want, I bet there is info out there to make finding a keeper easier than starting from scratch.

Also in my experience, the medical community is good about giving cuts away. Talk to some folks and find out who is growing the cdb blueberry, and see if they will give you a cut of the right pheno. When I talked about needing something for my wife's leg pain, several people contacted me and offered cuts and seeds. There is nothing wrong with breeders making a living. But that doesn't mean you have to support them.

gwheels · May 30, 2018

The idea is true in a way. Like how all dogs have the wolf DNA. But selective breeding over generations and decades produced a chihuahua to a St Bernard.

It probably holds true for tomatoes and most plants as well. But I am really high so.....

Lucky Luke · May 31, 2018

https://www.green-flower.com/episodes/534/demystifying-strain-names

Dr. Who · May 31, 2018

Wilksey said:
PBS disseminating 100% politically motivated bullshit and propaganda to the public?

NO WAY!

Let me guess here.
You watch Fox News....You voted for Trump...yadda, yadda, yadda..

PBS didn't write the story...They only reported it. Maybe they reported it to make the good doc look stupid, who knows?
You sure don't!

The 2 best news outlets in the world are PBS and BBC!

You say politically motivated? That would be all the others....

whitebb2727 · May 31, 2018

too larry said:
With seeds you are going to have variations. If there is only one of the 4 CDB blueberry phenos that have the traits you want, I bet there is info out there to make finding a keeper easier than starting from scratch.

Also in my experience, the medical community is good about giving cuts away. Talk to some folks and find out who is growing the cdb blueberry, and see if they will give you a cut of the right pheno. When I talked about needing something for my wife's leg pain, several people contacted me and offered cuts and seeds. There is nothing wrong with breeders making a living. But that doesn't mean you have to support them.

Same here. I said something about needing a cbd cut and some people reached out to me and offered a cut.

whitebb2727 · May 31, 2018

Tim1987 said:
I reckon most breeders selling seeds. Are storing their "best" seeds for themselves.
Cloning phenotypes for mums and dads. Then just flowering out rooms full of clones. (mums and a dad or two)
Why wouldnt they?
It'd be insane not to.

Its also insane to pass your best stock on to the consumer.
Why wouldnt it be?

I don't think it insane.

If it ever goes legal here I have old stock that I would sell.

It may be some of my best. I don't think it strange for a breeder to offer thier best.

I also expect cannabis to be like corn or beans when it goes federally legal. Go to an ag store and buy a pound of seeds for a few bucks.

cogitech · May 31, 2018

whitebb2727 said:
I don't think it strange for a breeder to offer thier best.

I agree.

1) Offering their best establishes them as a good breeder of highest quality seeds (if their "best" are objectively excellent seeds).

2) The reputation creates demand, which allows them to charge a premium price.

3) They are motivated to maintain this quality in order to maintain the reputation.

4) Even if they sell 95% of their "best" stock, they still likely have more of these "best" seeds than they could ever grow personally.

The thing with reputation is that it can be ruined in a very short time, and sometimes it is due to others with malicious intent.

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