Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Groat21

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Hey guys, I was wondering about other types of mulch to use on my organic no-till bed.

It's 30"x30", I am planning on using hay and some type of cover crop, but I was wondering about soap nuts. They would provide saponins when watered, and would likely last a while,

Any advice on my mulch layer would be great. I've had a fungus gnat problem recently as well in my smaller tent, so anything that might help with that would also be great.

Thanks!
 

Chronikool

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Hey guys, I was wondering about other types of mulch to use on my organic no-till bed.

It's 30"x30", I am planning on using hay and some type of cover crop, but I was wondering about soap nuts. They would provide saponins when watered, and would likely last a while,

Any advice on my mulch layer would be great. I've had a fungus gnat problem recently as well in my smaller tent, so anything that might help with that would also be great.

Thanks!
Give them a go and report back. Personally never used them but they arent gonna be detrimental at all :)
 

Groat21

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Give them a go and report back. Personally never used them but they arent gonna be detrimental at all :)
I ordered some (200g for like $8...) but they’re from a good place I get most of my stuff from, and most stuff is price fairly well. I’m in Canada, so a lot of stuff can be hard/expensive to find.

Going to see how they break down and if my worms will be able to consume them, likely would need a combination of something like hay which would decompose more rapidly, and hold the moisture.
 

Chronikool

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Thatz also true about the decomposition...cant beat a good mix of living companion/cover crop, a dead mulch and a slow release 'feed' (amino acid/saponins)
 

Groat21

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Thatz also true about the decomposition...cant beat a good mix of living companion/cover crop, a dead mulch and a slow release 'feed' (amino acid/saponins)
What do you like to use as cover crop?

I used a combination of alfalfa and clover outside this year, and I was thinking about mint, but I’ve heard it’s invasive(like clover).

If you use hay for mulch, you will have a cover crop. Use straw and you won’t have to thin seedlings as much:cool:
Well, I already have a bale of hay, maybe I’ll get straw next time!
 

MrKnotty

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I would not use mint....it can really grow out of control. I like to use wheatgrass as a cover crop though, so maybe you want to think about that for a third. Alfalfa and clover are amazing though and should do the job just fine.
 

Groat21

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I would not use mint....it can really grow out of control. I like to use wheatgrass as a cover crop though, so maybe you want to think about that for a third. Alfalfa and clover are amazing though and should do the job just fine.
I have some chamomile seeds as well, I’ve heard that can be a good companion/cover crop. And if I got a few flowers it might look nice too lol
 

4ftRoots

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I have some chamomile seeds as well, I’ve heard that can be a good companion/cover crop. And if I got a few flowers it might look nice too lol
Clover, Roman Chamomile, and Yarrow are my favorites. Yarrow is used in bio dynamic farming as well so you have that. I've read somewhere that certain plants can be synergistic with cannabis, increasing essential oil production and flavor. So the more diversity in your cover crop can only make your grow better.
 

IIReignManII

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I've been trying to scale up my home grow soil recipe to figure out what it would cost to fill some soil beds for a commercial grow with the same recipe. Here are some numbers I've been jotting down

Base
Compost $75 cubic yard
Worm Shit $750 cubic yard
pumice $160 cubic yard
coco coir $150 cubic yard

Per 50 pounds
Blood meal $87
Bone meal $53
Fish bone meal $40
Kelp meal $100
Alfalfa meal $40
Greensand $66
Azomite $45
Gypsum $60
Lime $60
crab meal $50
langbeinite $48

Extras
oregonism xl $191, mykos $174, mammoth P $200

Cups per 50 pound bag of amendments

blood meal 125 cups
bone meal 100 cups
fish bone 100 cups
kelp meal 150 cups
alfalfa 175 cups
greensand 75 cups
azomite 125 cups
gypsum 87.5 cups
lime 65 cups
crab meal 200 cups
langbeinite 50 cups (I dont have the langbeinite and crab meal in the recipe below but I would probably leave out the Biotone and use those instead)



Any thoughts are appreciated
 
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CanadianDank

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Clover, Roman Chamomile, and Yarrow are my favorites. Yarrow is used in bio dynamic farming as well so you have that. I've read somewhere that certain plants can be synergistic with cannabis, increasing essential oil production and flavor. So the more diversity in your cover crop can only make your grow better.
Never used Yarrow as a companion crop but I do use it for teas, got one Brewing right now. Quick 3-day Brew.

For the OP, mulch with whatever you have it all provides benefits the Hay is great (fungal food) also old dried cannabis leaves and stems are very good too. If you have any comfrey available it's great to top dress with as it's a major nutrient accumulator. Throw down crush leaves and then throw some compost on top of that and water and you're good
 

CanadianDank

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For my outdoors I mulch with whatever's left in the bucket I brew my teas with, threw down a whole bunch of sloppy old Dandylion carcasses the other day
 

Craigson

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I've been trying to scale up my home grow soil recipe to figure out what it would cost to fill some soil beds for a commercial grow with the same recipe. Here are some numbers I've been jotting down

Base
Compost $75 cubic yard
Worm Shit $750 cubic yard
pumice $160 cubic yard
coco coir $150 cubic yard

Per 50 pounds
Blood meal $87
Bone meal $53
Fish bone meal $40
Kelp meal $100
Alfalfa meal $40
Greensand $66
Azomite $45
Gypsum $60
Lime $60
crab meal $50
langbeinite $48

Extras
oregonism xl $191, mykos $174, mammoth P $200

Cups per 50 pound bag of amendments

blood meal 125 cups
bone meal 100 cups
fish bone 100 cups
kelp meal 150 cups
alfalfa 175 cups
greensand 75 cups
azomite 125 cups
gypsum 87.5 cups
lime 65 cups
crab meal 200 cups
langbeinite 50 cups (I dont have the langbeinite and crab meal in the recipe below but I would probably leave out the Biotone and use those instead)



Any thoughts are appreciated
How many beds and what size? A 4ftx8ftx12inch bed hols 1 yard of soil
 

stoner4204ever

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My leaves are dying. They were all green a week ago now their falling off.
I'm using Great Lakes water only soil.
45days flowering. May have burned with p.
I've added gypsum and foliar spray with epsom. Any ideas??
 

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getogrow

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I added 2 tbs hydro farms bloom crazy guano per gal last week.
You need more nitrogen badly. almost too late now but i would still give her some. chicken shit or chems....she needs it two weeks ago....

I'd also say you overdid the P but you never know if you would of had enough N how it would have went...
 
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