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Beachwalker

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If God is Real ...

Does He make you do what you choose?
Does He choose what you do?
Does He choose what you choose to do?
Or ... Does he make you do what you do?

Any of the above ..? If so I'd say the First ..
The cones in the water control everything (think of it as the matrix for simplicity), the cones are directed by, and report to Creator-God. I'm not sure of the levels of so-called "freewill" we have, but suspect it varies greatly individual to individual for certain reasons.

Now let's have ten pages of spirited debate regarding why I'm wrong
 
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If god is all knowing, he'd know what you'd do before you'd do it. What are the chances that you'd do something else? I doesn't sound like there's very much free will there...
 
If God is Real ...

Does He make you do what you choose?
Does He choose what you do?
Does He choose what you choose to do?
Or ... Does he make you do what you do?

Any of the above ..? If so I'd say the First ..
Which of the 30,000+ gods that supposedly exist are you referring to? They seem to all have different powers based on the people who believe in them and their geographical area.
 

BongTokinAlcoholic420

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Which of the 30,000+ gods that supposedly exist are you referring to? They seem to all have different powers based on the people who believe in them and their geographical area.
The god you were referring to when you said:
If god is all knowing, he'd know what you'd do before you'd do it. What are the chances that you'd do something else? I doesn't sound like there's very much free will there...
 
The god you were referring to when you said:
So, pretty much any monotheistic religion... from almost anywhere in the world.

Curious, if you "choose" to do something, why would god have to make you do it? What is the purpose of him making you do something you already choose to do? Seems like adding in an explanation that isn't needed.
 

BongTokinAlcoholic420

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So, pretty much any monotheistic religion... from almost anywhere in the world.

Curious, if you "choose" to do something, why would god have to make you do it? What is the purpose of him making you do something you already choose to do? Seems like adding in an explanation that isn't needed.
You answer my question(s) first.
 

New Age United

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If God is Real ...

Does He make you do what you choose?
Does He choose what you do?
Does He choose what you choose to do?
Or ... Does he make you do what you do?
Any of the above ..? If so I'd say the First ..
That depends on two things, define God and define choice. Yes, one who has attained Enlightenment has surrendered their will to God, to the universe, to what is, what is more insane than resisting what already is. No it is not some old man in the sky who is consciously dictating your will, but rather nature responding, reacting to and allowing your will to do as it was destined to do. Ultimately we have no free will, and that is not a problem, if you could just stop resisting the will of God, you would find that your will is god's will.

"If I err, I err only against my own soul, for in the Light I Know Allah's will as my own will" Muhammad
 

BongTokinAlcoholic420

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I do not believe that we can change the future or the present any more so than we can the past which is an outcome. It would not make sense, nor does it now, that we are able to change the future and not the past. That does not sound fair. I think this moment, or human experience, is in control of itself and we are not aware but rather an experience. Like we are not people, but we are perceptions. Awareness and not aware, because it does not make sense to me that we could be aware and be a person at the same exact time. Only the fact that we are 100% pure consciousness experiencing it self subjectively. The former does not seem logical to me nor does it add up to me. I do not know about anybody else...
 
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I must assume that their are an infinite amount of consciousnesses. It is illogical for there to be a finite number.
Why assume at all? The explanation with the least amount of assumptions is more likely to be correct.

Why would there be infinite consciousness? What makes you assume this? Are you saying each person has infinite consciousness? Are you suggesting there is collective consciousness?
 
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