PRE-VEG; your missing link to a bigger harvest.

FuZZyBUDz

Well-Known Member
as the title suggests, im recommending a "pre-veg" b4 shifting into the more intense growing conditions and nute regiments. now fer those of u saying

"MORE TIME GROWING!?!?!?!"

NO. im not sayin take more time into ur growing, just simply suggesting a lil switch in ur style u got goin right now?

a plus to it with u HID growers, it can help shave sum electricity cost off in the end too! AND youll be able to use a smaller growing area fer the first couple weeks after ur cutting have rooted.

IN THE END its about getting bigger and heavier harvest, with lees problems, all the while maintaining a healthy plant(s).

look at it like building a house, u start with the foundation then werk ur way up. with the foundation being the roots of course, lol. BUT with pre-veg were not only talkin about the root system they r just the start of the focus.

experienced growers BACK ME UP on this one but, the way to acheive a good healthy crop is wen the plant "comes out of the gate" STRONG and healthy with NO interruptions or "hiccops".

this thread pertains to ROOTED cutting, thats wen the "pre-veg" state should begin.(showing roots and in fresh air)

placing ur rooted cutting in (16 oz) beer cups r perfect fer pre-veg. these containers provide the perfect balance of hydration, to growing media.
hydro growers should use a bigger RW cube (or media of ur choice) OR just set the plant in clay pebbles in the net pot ur using, that should do.

be careful tho, wen kno how tender these lil girls r now.
rough handling can lead to hiccops, or even WORSE!!

pretreat or cubes or soil or WATEVER first, best to use sum helpers in it (hormones, vitamins, ect...) helps plants be more resilient to shock, or worse.

if using soil/soilless mixes, the texture should b course, altho able to retain a decent amount of hydration and moisture. as the volume of growing media should b relatively small per plant in th PRE-veg phase, if using COCO an additional 1/3 of the final volume in medium textured perlite helps improve drainage, and allows fer higher air ratios around the roots that help to encourage beneficial microbial growth in the developing root system.

PRO peat based (that contain perlite) mixes werk wonders in PRE-veg phases.

make sure u put PROPER (adequate) drainage in all the beer cups or watever ur using tho, it is a MUST fer strong roots. its important that the roots breath WITH OUT drying up. place the cups (or watever) on nursery trays, to further promote air circulation.

grow rocks AND rockwool should be treated 24 hours in advance, RW is a naturally alkaline so it needs to be treated with a solution of acid with a PH of around 5.0 fer 24 hours too.

now that ur pre-veg media is charged it will help encourage a 'quick strike' roots throo the media. KEEPING in the theme of "NO interruptions in healthy and consistent growth" to create lager yields LATER.

take care not to OVER compact the media or ur choice, the goal is to create a gentle touch from media to media, all the while keeping pores in the NEW media fer beneficial root growth.

SIMPLY put DONT just squash the mix around the plant too hard. lol

the first watering IS the most important. it helps to fasten the roots of the transplants to the fresh growth media, HOWever u DONT want to ov er saturate the media leaving no air space in there.

generally the companies provide PRE-veg charts, and nute schedules. but typically the overall EC/PPM is quite mild, about 0.5 EC and 350 PPM.u will need to adjust the PH accordingly to the media u r using.

the PRE-veg phase should contain a full spectrum of microbial and bio-active ingredients like humiliates, fulminates, root stimulaters, vitamins, as well as full and balanced micro- and macro- nutrient pack from base nute selection.

microbial inoculants encourage faster root growth and stronger development too, AND helps protect tender young plants from potential diseases such as root and stem rot.

pre-veg phase is to supply a MILD, complete and balanced charge of nutes. WHILE providing a HIGH degree of healthy biological activity in the rooot zone.

LOW NUTES, HIGH BIO-ACTIVITY!!!!

the goal of this is to create many healthy sets of leaves and foliage WITHOUT over fertilizing it, while creating a very prolific, vibrant, microbial active root system.

plants that begin there lifes fitting this description will later yiled HIGHER and better quality harvest, and r more strong to cotsly pests and disease.

OVER FERTS in the pre-veg phase is BAD!!! u will end up with soft, and spindly transplants while tall, r not goin to offer u the nutrient hungry beast u r lookin fer.

OPTIMAL temps r a must, too hott and dry u got stressed plants that r prone to pests process, too cold and wet ur lookin into diseased possibility.
obviously it can werk either way tho. it important to understand the ramifications of growing crops outside the optimal range of conditions.

for pre-veg 75 to 80 degrees is optimal, SHOULD REMAIN CONSTANT THO!
bio-activity is optimal at this temp without stressing the less developed newer plants.

humidity SLIGHTLY higher, depending on the plant and strain tho of course. most find that a 60-70 RH is optimal fer most in pre-veg. helps to reduce water loss throo the leafs. if its too dry, the increase rqate of wter loss will most likely stunt the growth of the plant.

while higher RH levels will reduce water loss i the leafs creating a "lazy" root system build.

its best to use a FLORO system (t5, t8, t12) or CFL's, altho LED will do too. u want around a 4500 kelvin rating will be optimal fer this stage of life in ur plant(s). a good 1000 to 1300 LUMMENS is sufficient and proved well in supplying young plants in the pre-veg phase.

dont push them too hard with light tho.

usually pre-veg phase will last about 10-14 days b4 transplanting into bigger pots. during this time u will want to gradually bring up the air circulation, nute levels, BUT in moderation tho.

the key is NOT to stress the plant, while not letting it get "lazy" on u.

in the end u should have LUSH green 8-10 inch cuttings that have GREAT strong FuZZy root systems. these "super transplants" will generally need LESS time in the veg phase to reach their ideal stature b4 inducing FLOWERING. they will develop better than other cuz they r ready to. lol. and they will be able to handle more intense conditions, in fact these lil things r practically CRAVING them.

;-)
 

FuZZyBUDz

Well-Known Member
Kool, well this article was in a magazine i picked up at the nursery. any ?????'s pleez ask.i am attempting this fer my clones now (if they Fu**in root!lol)
 

DaveCoulier

Well-Known Member
DAMN! 140 views, but NO comments? is i just a good read, or wat?! lol.
Its a good read, but more suited for newbies. Maybe you can get a mod to move it for you? Im sure they'll appreciate it more there than here.

Btw, did the article have such bad spelling and punctuation? J/K :)
 

TrynaGroSumShyt

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i agree with you my bad my post above was short
my last grow i was running a 3 part SOG because i realised that the ladies needed more mass or strength to hold up these buds that were packin on.. but now i think im going to go ahead and design my new grow as a 2 part system which will be Mother/Clone<part 1 and Flower <part 2 Veg was step two before..

btw i aint read the whole thing.. i just kinda clued it together .. so if im not on the same pae as u let me kno
 

FuZZyBUDz

Well-Known Member
Its a good read, but more suited for newbies. Maybe you can get a mod to move it for you? Im sure they'll appreciate it more there than here.

Btw, did the article have such bad spelling and punctuation? J/K :)

not really, it takes a sustainable amount of effort and care, the nutrients is the most difficult from wat i read. like said im attempting this, but side-by-side to a reg clone, from fresh air and roots stike, to the 150 veg chamber here in the room. see the difference in root mass and strength.
 

hazyintentions

Well-Known Member
i give up. LOL.
Hey man it's good info, but What I think your getting points against you for is your grammar.

Just my little piece of constructive criticism, a lot of the common reference threads around here were usually thought out over the course of a couple days after many years of finding out all the possible f**k ups.

I will agree, it's never a good idea to just throw a bunch of nutrients, light, and stress at a very much developing young plants.
 

FuZZyBUDz

Well-Known Member
Hey man it's good info, but What I think your getting points against you for is your grammar.

Just my little piece of constructive criticism, a lot of the common reference threads around here were usually thought out over the course of a couple days after many years of finding out all the possible f**k ups.

I will agree, it's never a good idea to just throw a bunch of nutrients, light, and stress at a very much developing young plants.


its out of a 3 or 4 page article in a magazine, it took a DAMN long time to type, so i messed with the grammar to make it more simple. is it too tough to read because of this??
 

jigfresh

Well-Known Member
is it too tough to read because of this??
A little bit. The spelling and grammar do make it hard to understand... it's kinda like a bunch of thoughts thrown together. The giant writing and a high volume of carriage returns don't help either.

I appreciate the work you put into typing it up and not trying to knock you... just trying to offer constructive criticsm... so that next time you spend that much time, you will get a whole bunch of replies like:

"Fuck man... thanks a lot for all that good info"

Last thing... if you are taking information from somewhere, like an article... you should mention that when you type it up. It really gives the impression that YOU created all this information, when in fact you did not. That turns people off as well. I know I REALLY HATE when people take stuff that I have spent time writing and then retype it like they wrote it. At least give a mention to the author.
 

SM4RT3

Active Member
its out of a 3 or 4 page article in a magazine, it took a DAMN long time to type, so i messed with the grammar to make it more simple. is it too tough to read because of this??

I wouldnt say for the grammer... when most people txt they shorten words, miss punctuate and all the things they do to make less work for themselves, I dont though lol.
What i would say and this is just myself, when you have a glaring white background, as this forum and most forums/websites do, the last thing you want to do is mess with your text colour and size, a nice reasonable sized txt (usualy Forum Set) and your basic black colour will help and make long posts more readable, you dont have to shout to get people's attention, if they are readin it they are allready on your thread.

Peace
 

hazyintentions

Well-Known Member
I wouldnt say for the grammer... when most people txt they shorten words, miss punctuate and all the things they do to make less work for themselves, I dont though lol.
What i would say and this is just myself, when you have a glaring white background, as this forum and most forums/websites do, the last thing you want to do is mess with your text colour and size, a nice reasonable sized txt (usualy Forum Set) and your basic black colour will help and make long posts more readable, you dont have to shout to get people's attention, if they are readin it they are allready on your thread.

Peace
Honestly,I couldn't agree more.

I am not being harsh in any form, we do appreciate members taking timeout of their lives to try and offer substantial information.

If you can edit it still I would go back and make corrections.

Hey, if you want you can copy and paste the post to a word document and send it my way.

I find a therapeutic sense when I'm proofreading. I like to be as articulate as possible.



EDIT: Or I could just copy it from here and do it that way :P

I never got a reply but needed something to do so here you go

" As the title suggests, I am recommending a "pre-vegetative stage" before shifting into the more intense growing conditions and nutrient regiments. Now for those of you saying:

"MORE TIME GROWING!?!?!?!"

No. I'm not saying you have to invest more time into your grow, just simply that you should change up your growing method a tad.

A plus to it with you HID growers; it will also help shave some of your electric bill! AND you'll be able to use a smaller growing area for the first couple weeks after your cuttings (or seeds) have rooted.

IN THE END its about getting bigger and heavier harvest, with the least amount of problems, all the while maintaining (a) healthy plant(s).

Look at it like building a house; you'd start with the foundation then work your way up. With the foundation being the roots of course. It all comes down to establishing a good root system. Although, roots aren't the sole purpose of this pre-vegetative (preparation for vegetation) stage but more simply the starting point.

Experienced growers should back me up on this; the way to achieve a good, healthy crop is when the plants "come out of the gate" STRONG and healthy with NO interruptions or "hiccups".

This thread pertains to ROOTED cutting, that's when the "pre-veg" state should begin.(showing roots and in fresh air)

Place your rooted cutting in (16 oz) beer cups, these are perfect for pre-veg; they provide the perfect balance of hydration, to growing media.
Hydro growers should use a bigger RW ( rockwool) cube (or media of your choice) OR just setting the plant(s) in clay pebbles in the net pot your using should do just fine.

Be careful though, the little girls are still very tender and prone to shock, rough handling can lead to hiccups, or WORSE!!

Retreat the cubes, soil, etc first, helpers are great ( exactly what "helpers" to use found in another thread).

If using soil/soilless mixes, the texture should be course, although able to retain a decent amount of hydration and moisture. as the volume of growing media should b relatively small per plant in the PRE-veg phase, if using COCO adding an additional 1/3 of the final volume of textured perlite helps improve drainage, and allows for higher air/water ratios around the roots that help to encourage beneficial microbial growth in the developing root system.

PRO peat based (that contain perlite) mixes work wonders in PRE-veg phases.

Make sure you put PROPER (adequate) drainage in all the beer cups or whatever your using though, this is a must strong roots. It's important that the roots breath WITH OUT drying up. Place the cups (or whatever) on nursery trays, to further promote air circulation.

Grow rocks AND rockwool should be treated 24 hours in advance, RW is a naturally alkaline so it needs to be treated with a solution of acid with a PH of around 5.0 for 24 hours too.

Now that your pre-veg media is charged it will help encourage a 'quick strike' roots through the media. Keeping in the theme of "No interruptions in healthy and consistent growth" to create larger yields in the long run.

Take care not to over compact the media of choice, the goal is to create a gentle touch from media to media, all the while keeping pores in the NEW media for beneficial root growth.

Simply put, don't "squash" everything together and expect it to work out, it's all about the roots, keep that point in mind.

The first watering is the MOST important, it helps to fasten the roots of the transplants to the fresh growth media, However you DONT want to over saturate the media leaving no air for your roots.

Generally many companies provide PRE-veg charts, and nute schedules. But typically the overall EC/PPM is quite mild, about 0.5 EC and 350 PPM. U will need to adjust the PH accordingly to the media you are using.

The PRE-veg phase should contain a full spectrum of microbial and bio-active ingredients like humiliates, fulminates, root stimulators, vitamins, as well as full and balanced micro- and macro- nutrient pack from base nutrient selection.

Microbial inoculants encourage faster root growth and stronger development too, AND helps protect tender young plants from potential diseases such as root and stem rot.

The purpose Pre-veg phase is to supply a MILD, complete and balanced charge of nutes, while providing a high degree of healthy biological activity in the root zone.

LOW NUTES, HIGH BIO-ACTIVITY!!!!

The goal of this is to create many healthy sets of leaves and foliage without over fertilizing it, while creating a very prolific, vibrant, microbial active root system.

Plants that begin their life fitting this description will later have faster veg times, higher yields and quality harvest, and are more resistant to costly pests and diseases.

Over fertilization in the pre-veg phase is BAD! You will end up with soft, and spindly transplants that are not going to present themselves are the nutrient hungry beast you are looking for.

Optimal temps are a must, too hot and dry u got stressed plants that are prone to pests, too cold and wet will give you more likelihood for diseases.
Obviously it can work either way. It is important to understand the ramifications of growing crops outside the optimal range of conditions.

For pre-veg 75 to 80 degrees is optimal, also be sure to keeps temps constant. Bio-activity is optimal at this temp without stressing the less developed newer plants.

Humidity SLIGHTLY higher, depending on the plant and strain of course. most find that a 60-70 RH is optimal for most (strains) in pre-veg. Helps to reduce water loss through the leafs. If it is too dry, the increased rate of water loss will most likely stunt the growth of the plant.

While higher RH levels will reduce water loss don't overdo this as you will cause a "lazy" root system to develop.

Its best to use a floro system (t5, t8, t12) or CFL's, although LED's will do to. You'll want around a 4500 kelvin rating will be optimal fer this stage of life in ur plant(s). Aim for a good 1000 to 1300 lumens per sq. ft. for this stage of your plants life.
Don't push them too hard with light, crispy leaves are never good.

Usually the pre-veg phase will last about 10-14 days b4 transplanting into bigger pots . During this time you will want to gradually bring up the air circulation and nute levels, do this in moderation though, don't get antsy, this key here is patience, not to stress the plant but also not to let it get "lazy" and need supports later on in it's life.



In the end you should have lush, green 8-10 inch cuttings that have excellent root systems with strong, fuzzy roots systems. These "super transplants" will generally need LESS time in the vegetative phase to reach their ideal stature before inducing flowering. They will develop better than a plant thrown straight the big lights, they will have had time to get ready for intense growth, it's thanks to this technique that you see so many grower's rejoicing in their plants "craving" high light and nutrient levels."


It's not perfect but I gave it some time and thought.
 
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