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Assault

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some where in the constitution, it says that if the government is wrong, we have the respocibility to take action.

i for one, totally agree. Bush sucks. THE ONLY BUSH I TRUST IS MY OWN!!



i am probably gonna get arrested, but i hope someone has the balls to start something, cause i will be right next to them.

a revolt right now, and a change from democracy would do america some good.


I TIHNK WE SHOULD HAVE HANGED BUSH INSTEAD OF SUDAAMM
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Assault said:
some where in the constitution, it says that if the government is wrong, we have the respocibility to take action.

i for one, totally agree. Bush sucks. THE ONLY BUSH I TRUST IS MY OWN!!



i am probably gonna get arrested, but i hope someone has the balls to start something, cause i will be right next to them.

a revolt right now, and a change from democracy would do america some good.


I TIHNK WE SHOULD HAVE HANGED BUSH INSTEAD OF SUDAAMM
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I agree!!!
 
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krime13

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I do understand your anger guys, but I hope it wont come down to a civil war II ...The country is already sharply devided and while it is easy to assault the "other" side it is wrong...Yes what is happening in the world right now is pretty scary, however, 2 wrongs dont make a wright...Hanging anyone is pretty wrong...The more we get assaulted and cheated in this war the angrier we get, but is there really such a thing as "righteous anger"?To come out of this thing without bloodshed we must be mindfull of our anger, we must be aware of the dark side...We must embrace our enemies and win over theyr hearts...Combat must remain as the ABSOLUTELY FINAL OPTION...However, if we have the missfortune to engage in it ...I got your backs. Please think about this...Is it right to respond to unjust aggretion with the aggression of your own? We must avoid the bloodthirsty war beast at all cost...Thank you ,and dont be suduced by the dark side...May the force be with you...
 
Kant

Kant

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krime13 said:
I do understand your anger guys, but I hope it wont come down to a civil war II ...The country is already sharply devided and while it is easy to assault the "other" side it is wrong...Yes what is happening in the world right now is pretty scary, however, 2 wrongs dont make a wright...Hanging anyone is pretty wrong...The more we get assaulted and cheated in this war the angrier we get, but is there really such a thing as "righteous anger"?To come out of this thing without bloodshed we must be mindfull of our anger, we must be aware of the dark side...We must embrace our enemies and win over theyr hearts...Combat must remain as the ABSOLUTELY FINAL OPTION...However, if we have the missfortune to engage in it ...I got your backs. Please think about this...Is it right to respond to unjust aggretion with the aggression of your own? We must avoid the bloodthirsty war beast at all cost...Thank you ,and dont be suduced by the dark side...May the force be with you...
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I think the idea is more a coup d'etat
 
7xstall

7xstall

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gentlemen, i submit that the notion of our country's division is nothing but propaganda and diversion meant to create a synthetic divide. a divide which just happens to only be healed by politicians and career liars who will say anything to lay hold of more power and trample our liberty.


who among us does not want our borders protected from the illegal invaders?

who among us does not want affordable health care?

who among us trusts the government to run our lives and instruct our children?

who among us does not want to keep more of what earn and hold the government accountable for every cent we entrust them with?

who among us does not want a cleaner earth and cleaner power?

who among us does not believe that we, and only we, have authority over our property?

who among us does not believe that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land?

who among us does not believe that everyone is equally served by the rights afforded us by the Constitution and Bill of Rights?


we are in agreement on many important things. the war, if there is to be one, would be one of the people versus the government so that we may reclaim our individual liberty and not lie in submission to the elite leaders who see fit to ration our freedoms as they see fit. the war would not be one of the people versus the people, because the few among us whose ultimate goal is to enslave us with more government would be quickly done away with. what we lack, gentlemen, is the will to see through our differences and rely on the inherent good nature of so many of our fellow citizens. we live our lives in the shackles of cynicism and doubt. we pass on the traits of cowardice to our children. we must end the illusion of partisanship and cast out the corrupt politicians who guide us to government solutions for everything - those people are the only enemy.

thank you, and good day.






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medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
gentlemen, i submit that the notion of our country's division is nothing but propaganda and diversion meant to create a synthetic divide. a divide which just happens to only be healed by politicians and career liars who will say anything to lay hold of more power and trample our liberty.


who among us does not want our borders protected from the illegal invaders?

who among us does not want affordable health care?

who among us trusts the government to run our lives and instruct our children?

who among us does not want to keep more of what earn and hold the government accountable for every cent we entrust them with?

who among us does not want a cleaner earth and cleaner power?

who among us does not believe that we, and only we, have authority over our property?

who among us does not believe that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land?

who among us does not believe that everyone is equally served by the rights afforded us by the Constitution and Bill of Rights?


we are in agreement on many important things. the war, if there is to be one, would be one of the people versus the government so that we may reclaim our individual liberty and not lie in submission to the elite leaders who see fit to ration our freedoms as they see fit. the war would not be one of the people versus the people, because the few among us whose ultimate goal is to enslave us with more government would be quickly done away with. what we lack, gentlemen, is the will to see through our differences and rely on the inherent good nature of so many of our fellow citizens. we live our lives in the shackles of cynicism and doubt. we pass on the traits of cowardice to our children. we must end the illusion of partisanship and cast out the corrupt politicians who guide us to government solutions for everything - those people are the only enemy.

thank you, and good day.






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Geeeze, talk about a political speech. You must remember, these people you want to sieze power from are the same ones that have killes a million Iraqi children, over 600,000 adults, napalmed villages in Viet Nam, Cluster bombed villages in Kosovo. What makes you think they wouldn't use the same on us? It has to be an inside Job, As said a coup-de-tat. People like Wesley Clark on the inside that see the ills of this evil empire. The citizenry can only win by voting and they are too spoiled to give a damn. Just watch Jay Leno's Jay walking if you want to know where the average brain dead citizen's head is at. Most don't know the first amendment from an ice cream cone. With the media filling our heads with OJ and Britney etc., who cares but a few bored individuals on a MJ site. This is only cheap ass talk and will solve nothing, we're preaching to the choir.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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medicineman said:
Geeeze, talk about a political speech. You must remember, these people you want to sieze power from are the same ones that have killes a million Iraqi children, over 600,000 adults, napalmed villages in Viet Nam, Cluster bombed villages in Kosovo. What makes you think they wouldn't use the same on us? It has to be an inside Job, As said a coup-de-tat. People like Wesley Clark on the inside that see the ills of this evil empire. The citizenry can only win by voting and they are too spoiled to give a damn. Just watch Jay Leno's Jay walking if you want to know where the average brain dead citizen's head is at. Most don't know the first amendment from an ice cream cone. With the media filling our heads with OJ and Britney etc., who cares but a few bored individuals on a marijuana site. This is only cheap ass talk and will solve nothing, we're preaching to the choir.
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actually, i was considering you one of the big government people who would be done away with quickly, but if you want to join the rest of us we'll forgive your socialist past now that you can see the light. as long as you promise to check the Constitution prior to asking for any government "programs" or handouts we'll get along just fine. :)








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Kant

Kant

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This is all great but as far as i see it, so long we're stuck in a two party system our only choice will be either a republican douche or a democrat douche. Anyone from either party who wants to claim title of top douche, will have to jump through the hoops of their respective parties. Any politician that wants to make a difference without being a douche won't get anywhere.

Again our leaders will be shit so long as we have a two party system. which is only held in place by that damn electoral college.
 
UncleSunny

UncleSunny

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Yeah, the Constitution does have a "self Destruct" clause in it. IF 51% of the people find fault with the administration, it must step down.
Problem is, 51% of the people can never agree on anything. The power base in this country makes sure of it. Do any of you remember something called "John Brown's Raid'? It was a group of working class dissidents of varied descent (white, black, native american...) who stood up and fought against the oppression of the corupt government.

After John Brown's raid, a campaign was started through subversive publications and hired mercinaries to stir up racial issues. The "poor" suddenly became the poor blacks and poor whites, who were convinced that it is each other that we should hate. It wasn't that an employer tried to save money by hiring someone who whould work more cheaply, but 'that black bastard stole your job,' or that "those whites hate you and try to keep you down."
How is a guy, white, black or whatever, gonna "keep you down" when they are completely powerless? They funded hate groups and appointed judges who have since gotten us at each other's throats, all the while they sit up in their country clubs, laughing at us for not realizing who the real enemy is.
I mean, have any of you heard of this Jena 6 thing? Some rednecks pulled a shotgun on these black kids a few months back, and one of the black kids took the gun off of them. (it was a 12 gauge with a lazer sight) A judge then tried the kid for theft of a firearm, and aggrivated assult, and then later swtiched the crime to second degree attempted murder.
This is racially motivated. Hands down. But any revolution in America is going to require thatjust more than half of us can agree on a plan. Bush, by the letter of the Consititution, has had several moments where he should have had to step down. Remember, these guys in the Bush administration may be evil assholes, but one thing that they are not is stupid. They got the power, and will be hard pressed to let it go.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
actually, i was considering you one of the big government people who would be done away with quickly, but if you want to join the rest of us we'll forgive your socialist past now that you can see the light. as long as you promise to check the Constitution prior to asking for any government "programs" or handouts we'll get along just fine. :)








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Are you fucking crazy? I've spelled out my views on government a thousand times on this site. ,Less is more, Just organize a medical system that will cover every citizen, (remember, I have VA and I like it) and stop giving the country away to the corporations and the bankers. Stop raiding the SS fund for wars and war profiteering and stay the hell out of my business. I am probably the least big government guy on this site, just don't fuck with my VA and SS, both an earned deal, VA, my service in the Viet nam era, and SS I paid into it for 47 years. as far as I'm concerned, they could fire 80% of the police by just legalizing drugs. As far as Bad guys, they could try and catch a few, but with my carry permit, I'm not too concerned with them. As long as they legalize killing bad guys, I'd be fine with getting rid of cops.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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medicineman said:
Are you fucking crazy? I've spelled out my views on government a thousand times on this site. ,Less is more, Just organize a medical system that will cover every citizen, (remember, I have VA and I like it) and stop giving the country away to the corporations and the bankers. Stop raiding the SS fund for wars and war profiteering and stay the hell out of my business. I am probably the least big government guy on this site, just don't fuck with my VA and SS, both an earned deal, VA, my service in the Viet nam era, and SS I paid into it for 47 years. as far as I'm concerned, they could fire 80% of the police by just legalizing drugs. As far as Bad guys, they could try and catch a few, but with my carry permit, I'm not too concerned with them. As long as they legalize killing bad guys, I'd be fine with getting rid of cops.
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With all due respect, Med ... here is where you're not getting it. You rail against a powerful government when that government is doing things you don't like (Iraq), but then in the very same breath, you want to hand over to that government 7% of the U.S. economy in the form of our health care system. You want the government out of your business, but then want that same government to create yet another massive bureaucracy that will do nothing but erode that privacy you want to maintain.

The means to the end is to starve the federal government back into its ten-square-mile jurisdiction known as Washington D.C., and keep them out of the states as much as possible. In other words, hold their feet to the fire of the Constitution at all times.

Vi
 
7xstall

7xstall

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ViRedd said:
With all due respect, Med ... here is where you're not getting it. You rail against a powerful government when that government is doing things you don't like (Iraq), but then in the very same breath, you want to hand over to that government 7% of the U.S. economy in the form of our health care system. You want the government out of your business, but then want that same government to create yet another massive bureaucracy that will do nothing but erode that privacy you want to maintain.

The means to the end is to starve the federal government back into its ten-square-mile jurisdiction known as Washington D.C., and keep them out of the states as much as possible. In other words, hold their feet to the fire of the Constitution at all times.

Vi
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that's what i just don't get. med says he's all about small government but also supports creating the single largest government corporation on the planet! just imagine how big the government "Public Health Agency" building would be.. thousands of private companies, hundreds of thousands of employees all consolidated into one mega-government corporation dictating our health to us... lol if that's small government i guess soviet russia was practically in a state of anarchy!

also, just imagine the power of such a large bloc vote - you know every single one of them would vote for people who would expand and increase the role of government in our lives. scary as hell. America would be dead.








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medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
that's what i just don't get. med says he's all about small government but also supports creating the single largest government corporation on the planet! just imagine how big the government "Public Health Agency" building would be.. thousands of private companies, hundreds of thousands of employees all consolidated into one mega-government corporation dictating our health to us... lol if that's small government i guess soviet russia was practically in a state of anarchy!

also, just imagine the power of such a large bloc vote - you know every single one of them would vote for people who would expand and increase the role of government in our lives. scary as hell. America would be dead.


Have you forgotten I would disolve all the private insurance and HMO companies, that ought to cut it down to size and those clowns could apply for a job with the US govt,~LOL~, especially all those multi-million dollar CEOs,. ~LOL~. I say Fuck em!!!!!, CEOs that is!!!! They already have enough coin to live 10 lifetimes.





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ViRedd

ViRedd

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medicineman said:
Well VI, it sounds wonderful. Just how do you propose to do this feat?
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I said ... hold the feet of the federal govenment to the chains of the Constitution. You've heard the old saying from the 60s ... "What if they gave a war and nobody came?," right? Well, what if the federal government tried to exercise power over the people and everyone just flipped the bureaucrats off? How could this be done? ... Well, how about if collectively we just stopped sending in our money? Europeans have had plenty of tax strikes to get their points across to their ruling elites ... why not us?

Vi
 
medicineman

medicineman

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ViRedd said:
I said ... hold the feet of the federal govenment to the chains of the Constitution. You've heard the old saying from the 60s ... "What if they gave a war and nobody came?," right? Well, what if the federal government tried to exercise power over the people and everyone just flipped the bureaucrats off? How could this be done? ... Well, how about if collectively we just stopped sending in our money? Europeans have had plenty of tax strikes to get their points across to their ruling elites ... why not us?

Vi
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Hey, Bigmouth, you start the tax revolution, refuse to pay and wait for the knock on your door. There is a need for taxation. The current system is blatently unfair. It rewards the corporations and the wealthy. Why are you bitching, you make way too much for what you do., in my world, you'd maybe be worth 45,000 a year, maybe,~LOL~.
 
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