Oakland legalizing large scale grow ops

stonedmetalhead1

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that does make a lot of sense
look at this from the business perspective, i know many don't like to, but it's going to be the reality
on the one hand DEA has been told to leave MMJ alone, that is a reduction in risk, risk not gone, but less
if prop 19 should pass, add into the equation the possibility of many wannabe closet growers with no closets(so to speak)
at that point, the rewards are beginning to outweigh the risks by a lot
and this is what guys with big bucks do, they're looking for the hot opportunity
but you have to move fast,or the other rich bastards will beat you
and there is your California situation in the summer of 2010
The problem is California isn't known for it's buisness sense. California is broke and people are scrambling to make money and I guarantee the corporations will rape the marijuana industry as much as possible once they get footing when marijuana should be look at as an agricultural blessing. Marijuana needs to be well documented and preserved not commercialized to the point where it completely shifts the focus 180 degrees away from where the people who maintain this special plant were trying to go with it. The people who are responsible for this plant still being around at the quality that it is are the breeders and the people who cultivate this plant for the pure love of it even though there are very few places where it's excepted.
 

growone

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The problem is California isn't known for it's buisness sense. California is broke and people are scrambling to make money and I guarantee the corporations will rape the marijuana industry as much as possible once they get footing when marijuana should be look at as an agricultural blessing. Marijuana needs to be well documented and preserved not commercialized to the point where it completely shifts the focus 180 degrees away from where the people who maintain this special plant were trying to go with it. The people who are responsible for this plant still being around are the breeders and the people who cultivate this plant for the pure love of it even though there are very few places where it's excepted.
to the city council it's not a sacrament, it's just business opportunity
and if they don't jump on that opportunity, someone else will
you can already see other small cali cities making noises about doing just that
 

stonedmetalhead1

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to the city council it's not a sacrament, it's just business opportunity
and if they don't jump on that opportunity, someone else will
you can already see other small cali cities making noises about doing just that
The problem is those people are going after greed and control when they could be organizing for preservation. Just because you go about it in a certain way doesn't mean it wouldn't be profitable it just means corporations wouldn't have control of the plant. People are just greedy selfish asshats.
 

growone

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The problem is those people are going after greed and control when they could be organizing for preservation. Just because you go about it in a certain way doesn't mean it wouldn't be profitable it just means corporations wouldn't have control of the plant. People are just greedy selfish asshats.
i can relate to where you're coming from
i don't think you lose the culture exactly, but there will be a larger market for 'white bread' weed
it was bound to happen, as MJ becomes more legal
and that's whats happening, no new law passed, but the perception of what can be done has increased
 

gloomysmokes707

Active Member
a significant drop in violance and crime
reduction in racially biased arrests
generate nearly $1.5 billion in taxes
creation of 60,000 - 120,000 new jobs statewide
reduction in police corruption
increase respect for police and law enforcment
free police to focus on property,violant crimes
free resources to go after hard street drugs ie: meth,cocaine,heroin
expand California economy by $16 to $23 billion
reduce mexican drug cartels revenue
reduce environmental damage created by illigal grow operations
allow adults to legally choose a safer alternative to alcohol
 

gloomysmokes707

Active Member
umm alot of the weed thats out there isnt controlled as it is... most of its pumped full of garbage chemicals and sold to us. the consumer...
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
You are able to do it yourself. Large scale grows have no effect on that.
Once these corporations gain footing marijuana will slowly be moved out of the patients hands through legislation written by corporate lawyers. This new legalization bill up in November already effects your rights as a patient which was written by lawyers that represent the people trying to take herb corporate and supersedes prop 215. These people want control, I can't understand how people don't see this.
 

growone

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Once these corporations gain footing marijuana will slowly be moved out of the patients hands through legislation written by corporate lawyers. This new legalization bill up in November already effects your rights as a patient which was written by lawyers that represent the people trying to take herb corporate and supersedes prop 215. These people want control, I can't understand how people don't see this.
Prop 19 does state that is not intended to affect prop 215 law, that's stated quite clearly at the start of the bill
it takes away no rights from patients or growers
what it does do is give more MJ rights to everyone, and that could include companies
short of increasing enforcement into people's homes, no one loses anything
the fear seems to be of having large companies in the MJ business
they can't take away anyone's rights, not legally anyways
all they can do is grow large quantities of MJ
how that will work out i think is a mystery, i think corporate MJ must wait until Federal law changes
any company that wants to test the recreational growing biz may find just how DEA operates
 

Dan Kone

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Once these corporations gain footing marijuana will slowly be moved out of the patients hands through legislation written by corporate lawyers.
That sounds catchy and all, but it allows for a minimum growing space of 25sq feet. You should easily be able to get 1lb+ every 10 weeks with that space. That covers personal growing amounts pretty well.

This new legalization bill up in November already effects your rights as a patient which was written by lawyers that represent the people trying to take herb corporate and supersedes prop 215.
Show me where this law says it supersedes prop 215. That's just not true.
 

slomoking13

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a significant drop in violance and crime
reduction in racially biased arrests
generate nearly $1.5 billion in taxes
creation of 60,000 - 120,000 new jobs statewide
reduction in police corruption
increase respect for police and law enforcment
free police to focus on property,violant crimes
free resources to go after hard street drugs ie: meth,cocaine,heroin
expand California economy by $16 to $23 billion
reduce mexican drug cartels revenue
reduce environmental damage created by illigal grow operations
allow adults to legally choose a safer alternative to alcohol
All of this can be accomplished without commercial grow licensing...

umm alot of the weed thats out there isnt controlled as it is... most of its pumped full of garbage chemicals and sold to us. the consumer...
Why do you think it would be different with big companies growing your marijuana? What would stop them from using additives to make their product addicting like tobacco to make more money?... Once again, all the more reason to grow your own!
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
Prop 19 does state that is not intended to affect prop 215 law, that's stated quite clearly at the start of the bill
it takes away no rights from patients or growers
what it does do is give more MJ rights to everyone, and that could include companies
short of increasing enforcement into people's homes, no one loses anything
the fear seems to be of having large companies in the MJ business
they can't take away anyone's rights, not legally anyways
all they can do is grow large quantities of MJ
how that will work out i think is a mystery, i think corporate MJ must wait until Federal law changes
any company that wants to test the recreational growing biz may find just how DEA operates
No, because there will be a limited number of corporations and large scale permits given out. Do you think once these large scale growers gain control they won't get legislation passed for their own benefit? These corporations are getting in on the ground floor and I promise you they will try and milk every cent they can out of it while they can, dragging down the marijuana community with em'. Independent growers will eventually not be able to sell there excess meds to the clubs and I feel the average citizen should be able to supplement their income. I wouldn't mind these corporations being started if they weren't trying to screw the everyday person by funneling all of the money to be had into their own pockets through legislation. We're in a huge economic slump and people could use the money more than ever. They are already trying to build concern in the media about where the marijuana is coming from and if it's safe. This is just another way to scare people into passing a bill that takes away individuals rights.

That sounds catchy and all, but it allows for a minimum growing space of 25sq feet. You should easily be able to get 1lb+ every 10 weeks with that space. That covers personal growing amounts pretty well.
Which is already regulating and decreasing peoples rights allowed under prop 215. This is also just the start, these corporations haven't even really started to put pressure on the law makers which will happen once they start making money.

Show me where this law says it supersedes prop 215. That's just not true.
This part shows how local governments are going to be able to make laws about who's growing the herb and I guaranttee it's going to be the people buttering up polititians. Section 11301 is the big one put in there to regulate production and and allowes the bill to trump prop 215 and you have already stated that this bill limits personal cultivation.


(vii) “licensed premises” is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.


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Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
Notwithstanding(meaning-in spite of) any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:


(l) such larger amounts as the local authority deems appropriate and proper under local circumstances, than those established under section 11300(a) for personal possession and cultivation, or under this section for commercial cultivation, processing, transportation and sale by persons authorized to do so under this section;

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Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
No, because there will be a limited number of corporations and large scale permits given out. Do you think once these large scale growers gain control they won't get legislation passed for their own benefit? These corporations are getting in on the ground floor and I promise you they will try and milk every cent they can out of it while they can, dragging down the marijuana community with em'. Independent growers will eventually not be able to sell there excess meds to the clubs and I feel the average citizen should be able to supplement their income. I wouldn't mind these corporations being started if they weren't trying to screw the everyday person by funneling all of the money to be had into their own pockets through legislation. We're in a huge economic slump and people could use the money more than ever. They are already trying to build concern in the media about where the marijuana is coming from and if it's safe. This is just another way to scare people into passing a bill that takes away individuals rights.



Which is already regulating and decreasing peoples rights allowed under prop 215. This is also just the start, these corporations haven't even really started to put pressure on the law makers which will happen once they start making money.



This part shows how local governments are going to be able to make laws about who's growing the herb and I guaranttee it's going to be the people buttering up polititians. Section 11301 is the big one put in there to regulate production and and allowes the bill to trump prop 215 and you have already stated that this bill limits personal cultivation.


(vii) “licensed premises” is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.


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Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
Notwithstanding(meaning-in spite of) any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:


(l) such larger amounts as the local authority deems appropriate and proper under local circumstances, than those established under section 11300(a) for personal possession and cultivation, or under this section for commercial cultivation, processing, transportation and sale by persons authorized to do so under this section;

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The parts of the proposition you are quoting specifically regulate commercial growing and sales only. It has nothing to do with medical growing/possession. You're trying to reach for something that's not there. Even what we think of as the wholesale vending to medical cannabis dispensaries would not be effected by this. When you sell to a dispensary you're technically not selling anything. You are donating cannabis and getting back money to compensate you for your time/expenses.

There is nothing in this law that says it nullifies medical cannabis law. It's also worth mentioning that 25sq feet is the MINIMUM recreational grow space/1 oz possession under this law, as apposed to the current limit of zero square feet/zero oz's possession. (yet everyong keeps claiming it's taking away rights? wtf? Counties and cities can extend grow areas and possession amounts to whatever they like!

This law is a starting point, not a final product.
 

growone

Well-Known Member
No, because there will be a limited number of corporations and large scale permits given out. Do you think once these large scale growers gain control they won't get legislation passed for their own benefit? These corporations are getting in on the ground floor and I promise you they will try and milk every cent they can out of it while they can, dragging down the marijuana community with em'. Independent growers will eventually not be able to sell there excess meds to the clubs and I feel the average citizen should be able to supplement their income. I wouldn't mind these corporations being started if they weren't trying to screw the everyday person by funneling all of the money to be had into their own pockets through legislation. We're in a huge economic slump and people could use the money more than ever. They are already trying to build concern in the media about where the marijuana is coming from and if it's safe. This is just another way to scare people into passing a bill that takes away individuals rights.
there is some merit to being concerned about MJ and the corporate culture
but this applies to all business activity, MJ will not be an exception
but some of your statements are not true per se, limited corporations/licenses?
there is nothing in prop 19 that states that, you are speculating on what county governments will do
but there will be other law that comes into play on how counties could structure these setups
it is not plausible that there will be exclusive licenses to grow, that would conflict with other state/local laws
but MJ will become a competitive business, that's going to happen no matter what legislation legalizes MJ
 

TokinPodPilot

Well-Known Member
The parts of the proposition you are quoting specifically regulate commercial growing and sales only. It has nothing to do with medical growing/possession. You're trying to reach for something that's not there. Even what we think of as the wholesale vending to medical cannabis dispensaries would not be effected by this. When you sell to a dispensary you're technically not selling anything. You are donating cannabis and getting back money to compensate you for your time/expenses.

There is nothing in this law that says it nullifies medical cannabis law. It's also worth mentioning that 25sq feet is the MINIMUM recreational grow space/1 oz possession under this law, as apposed to the current limit of zero square feet/zero oz's possession. (yet everyong keeps claiming it's taking away rights? wtf? Counties and cities can extend grow areas and possession amounts to whatever they like!

This law is a starting point, not a final product.
More lies, eh? That's OK... par for the course, with you. This time, let's try a simple summary page from CA NORML even.

http://www.canorml.org/laws/calmjlaws.html

I'll even quote the significant parts for you so you don't have to strain yourself with clicking the link or having to reason everything out for yourself....

California's Marijuana Laws

Possession of marijuana is a misdemeanor under California Health and Safety Code Section 11357. Possession of one ounce (28.5 gms) or less is punishable by a maximum $100 fine. Jail time is possible for larger amounts or for hashish, which is an optional felony ("wobbler"). However, under Prop 36, effective July 1, 2001, first- and second- time possession-only offenders may demand a treatment program instead of jail. Upon successful completion of the program, their conviction is erased. Possession (and personal use cultivation) offenders can also avoid conviction by making a preguilty plea under Penal Code 1000, in which case their charges are dismissed upon successful completion of a diversion program. Possession offenses are expunged from the record after two years under Health and Safety Code Sections 11361.5 and 11361.7.

Possession of one ounce or less in a vehicle while driving may also be charged under Vehicle Code 23222, which is treated identically to HSC 11357 B.

No arrest or imprisonment is allowed for possession of less than one ounce of marijuana. However, police often get around this provision by charging minor offenders with intent to sell (see below).
Cultivation of any amount of marijuana is a felony under Health and Safety Code 11358. People who grow for personal use are eligible for diversion under Penal Code 1000 so long as there is no evidence of intent to sell. There are no fixed plant number limits to personal use cultivation.
Possession with intent to sell any amount of marijuana is a felony under Health and Safety Code 11359. Police often charge intent to sell if they see such indicia as: scales, cash, multiple packages, "commercial" packaging materials, "excessive" quantity, pay-owe seets, address books, pagers, etc.
So, from no plant limits and virtually no possession cap, provided you can establish personal consumption, to 5'x5' default growing space and one ounce default possession. On top of which, recreational smokers get to foot the bill for cops to come up with new and interesting ways to bust smokers and growers. Prop 19 is only a starting point if your intention is to be exploited and taxed for the pleasure of being exploited.
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
The parts of the proposition you are quoting specifically regulate commercial growing and sales only. It has nothing to do with medical growing/possession. You're trying to reach for something that's not there. Even what we think of as the wholesale vending to medical cannabis dispensaries would not be effected by this. When you sell to a dispensary you're technically not selling anything. You are donating cannabis and getting back money to compensate you for your time/expenses.

There is nothing in this law that says it nullifies medical cannabis law. It's also worth mentioning that 25sq feet is the MINIMUM recreational grow space/1 oz possession under this law, as apposed to the current limit of zero square feet/zero oz's possession. (yet everyong keeps claiming it's taking away rights? wtf? Counties and cities can extend grow areas and possession amounts to whatever they like!

This law is a starting point, not a final product.
This law is a starting point for the corporations not the people. If you think the local governments are going to give more rights to the people your crazy. These marijuana corporations will buy the politicians and laws will become more and more strict on the average citizen. Also, this bill is very vague and doesn't outline what is considered commercial so I wouldn't be suprised if law enforcement see's any sales as commercial.
 

fdd2blk

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so some of you really do believe in a "magic closet"? :roll:

you are limited to ONE OUNCE of dried buds. whether it's in your closet or in your pocket.


i see A LOT of people getting arrested if this passes. they are all mistaken on the "rules". gonna be a free-for-all for the feds.

good luck.
 
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