Nibiru / Eros / Planet X

bobbyboy34

bobbyboy34

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longbaugh said:
So let me get this straight: Nibiru is a planet larger than Jupiter, but smaller than the Sun. It is orbiting our sun and a remote star (apparently no longer burning). The remote star is light years away and the planet returns every 3600 years. (Please see my references below)

Is that about it? Because if that’s it then I don’t understand something: So for the sake of making this seem as plausible as possible, let’s say the remote star is about 2 lightyears away, that’s about 2e13 km away (20 000 000 000 000). Now, to make the trip every 3600 years, the planet would have to travel that distance (2e13 km) in 1800 years, right?

Someone should check my math.

1800 years is 657 000 days (6.57e5). So 2e13 km in 6.57e5 days makes it about 3e7 km per day (30 000 000). As an aside, an orbiting object would move the slowest in between the suns and would move the fastest when it was nearest the sun because of gravitational acceleration. However, for the sake of simplicity (and plausibility), let’s assume a constant rate of speed.

The distance between the Earth and Sun is 150 000 000 km (1.5e8 ) . Imagine an object that is larger than Jupiter traveling so fast it could make the distance between the Earth and Sun in five days!

Now, I’ve made a lot of assumptions to try to slow this speed down, but I can’t see how the gravity of the Sun (and another neighboring star) could possible trap an object traveling that fast into an orbit.

The only thing I can figure is either the orbital period is a heck of a lot longer than 3600 years or that the remote star is a heck of a lot closer than two light years (and therefore be visible by amateur telescopes). Any thoughts?
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i didn't say that nibiru is being attracted by our suns gravity, where did you get that from? from reading something stoney face said? cause bobby face didn't say that
 
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Philly_Buddah

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techgrower said:
Bobbyboy, I dont want to see this thread die because I am interested in this. Just wondering why I am a "hookey youtubian" for sharing what I have seen on the subject, but you havent really shown anything you stated in the opening of this thread. And just putting this out there for Stoney, what is going to happen when our earth is in the dark wobble and everything is lined up in the universe ie the great cross and devine cross? You seem very knowledgeable about astronomy and there has to be a reason the Myan calendar ends 2012 along with Nostradamus predicting the same. Both were great astronomers that, at the time, had no clue of each other existence. That strikes me as very strange. And anyone know where the hell those huge skeletons came from? Slightly religious overtone but here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63lhtx2q8o
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It was actually many other ppl and civilizations also, not just the Maya and Nostradamus. There has to be some very large significance to that date. Its hard to believe its only 4 years away now. Oh well, what happens, happens. Hopefully its for the good, and if its for the bad I doubt theres much we can do about it. So Ill stay as prepared as I can mentally but just go on with my life as always.
 
bobbyboy34

bobbyboy34

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techgrower said:
Bobbyboy, I dont want to see this thread die because I am interested in this. Just wondering why I am a "hookey youtubian" for sharing what I have seen on the subject, but you havent really shown anything you stated in the opening of this thread. And just putting this out there for Stoney, what is going to happen when our earth is in the dark wobble and everything is lined up in the universe ie the great cross and devine cross? You seem very knowledgeable about astronomy and there has to be a reason the Myan calendar ends 2012 along with Nostradamus predicting the same. Both were great astronomers that, at the time, had no clue of each other existence. That strikes me as very strange. And anyone know where the hell those huge skeletons came from? Slightly religious overtone but here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63lhtx2q8o
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i did not say you specifically are a hookey youtubian

i have posted videos, i just mad ea mistake with the first couple post about that planet, sorry sheesh
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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I don';t know what I'm supposed to say.Dark wobble?Divine cross?The planets have a bit of a wobble anyway...it's because they are being tugged on by the sun and other planets,back and forth.Everything in the universe lined up?That's not even likely.Also, Nostradamus DID NOT predict 2012 as the end of the earth.First, he was an astrologer, not an astronomer.Second, his predictions, or quatrains, are worded so vaguely, they can apply to any number of things.I knew he predicted the world would end in three thousand something, but wasn't sure, so I looked, and it says 3797.That's way off from 2012.Hope that answers your questions.
techgrower said:
Bobbyboy, I dont want to see this thread die because I am interested in this. Just wondering why I am a "hookey youtubian" for sharing what I have seen on the subject, but you havent really shown anything you stated in the opening of this thread. And just putting this out there for Stoney, what is going to happen when our earth is in the dark wobble and everything is lined up in the universe ie the great cross and devine cross? You seem very knowledgeable about astronomy and there has to be a reason the Myan calendar ends 2012 along with Nostradamus predicting the same. Both were great astronomers that, at the time, had no clue of each other existence. That strikes me as very strange. And anyone know where the hell those huge skeletons came from? Slightly religious overtone but here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63lhtx2q8o
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techgrower

techgrower

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Sorry Bobbyboy no hert feelings ment, and I believe it was utubian kook, but this is just a discussion on what we think and stuff. This has interested me for a few years now and you seemed like you were going to be making a journal of sorts and was just wondering why you kinda dropped off. Also thanks Philly B. Someone said it was in the Koran (spelling?) the same date but just talked to an older muslim about the date and he said it wasnt in there. Who elce said it Philly B.? Also thanks Stoney for chiming in! I think I ment the dark rift. The earth is going through this soon and at that time the sun will align the center of the galaxy. Here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbpER_qKkcI
This explains the crosses and nostradamus I guess theory. But then again I guess I might be kooky, LOL peeps!
 
bobbyboy34

bobbyboy34

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i still plan on doing this, its just that this past week and a half has been crazy. I have had hardly any time to do anything and come year end things get really busy and crazy. I will definitely add things here and there, stay tuned
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Yeah, someone I am friends with on here said it bothers them, so I changed it for them.
bobbyboy34 said:
i like you NEW sig rather than the old stoney face
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I'll look at that in a while.The sun aligning with the center of the galaxy....isn't it always kinda aligned with the center?I mean, look at the galaxy.It rotates like a wheel.The center would be the hub,and the spokes and wheel would be the matter out side that.Since it all rotates around the hub, it's always aligned with the center.






quote=techgrower;1756408]Sorry Bobbyboy no hert feelings ment, and I believe it was utubian kook, but this is just a discussion on what we think and stuff. This has interested me for a few years now and you seemed like you were going to be making a journal of sorts and was just wondering why you kinda dropped off. Also thanks Philly B. Someone said it was in the Koran (spelling?) the same date but just talked to an older muslim about the date and he said it wasnt in there. Who elce said it Philly B.? Also thanks Stoney for chiming in! I think I ment the dark rift. The earth is going through this soon and at that time the sun will align the center of the galaxy. Here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbpER_qKkcI
This explains the crosses and nostradamus I guess theory. But then again I guess I might be kooky, LOL peeps![/quote]
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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We are a spiral galaxy.We rotate pretty uniformly,we don't have as much random motion.Planets are in elliptical orbits, not the spiral arms.It's kinda like a whirlpool.But the rotation is always AROUND the center.We're always the same distance from the center.Some times we are below or above the orbital plane a little, like horses on a carousel, but we're pretty much fixed in our position in relation to distance from the center.Nature - Rotation/Angular Momentum: The rotational characteristics of Spiral & Elliptical galaxies are different as shown below; Spiral galaxy disks have well organized rotational dtructure whereas elliptical galaxies have random orbits. A rotating cloud of protogalactic gas would certainly contract more slowly than one without rotation and could only contract along the rotation axes, forming a disk as we see in spiral galaxies. It is plausible to suppose that a non-rotating, freely collapsing protogalaxy would reach higher densities at earlier times, using up its gas rapidly in a time of order a billion years. As the rotating protogalaxy contracts more slowly to a disk shape, it would not reach such high densities, star-formation would proceed more slowly, preserving gas for future epochs of star formation
Circular Orbits in a Spiral Disk
Random Orbits in an Elliptical
(or Spiral Bulge)
ANC said:
eliptical orbits dear...
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longbaugh

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bobbyboy34 said:
i didn't say that nibiru is being attracted by our suns gravity, where did you get that from? from reading something stoney face said? cause bobby face didn't say that
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Well, I'm not sure I understand how another planet, larger than Jupiter, could come into our system without being attracted by the Sun's gravity, even if it is orbiting some remote object. I was under the impression that all objects attract all other objects, gravitationally speaking. Could you please explain how the orbit could come so close to the Sun without being attracted by it?

bobbyboy34 said:
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anyways nibiru is supposed to be visible by 2009, and by 2011 appearant to the world, easily seen by all. Nibiru is supposed to come in between us and the sun, MARS is between us and the sun and we can see mars. ...
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(By the way, Mars is actually the fourth planet out…Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, etc)

I'm also finding some conflicting information on the internet. For example, www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html and http://2012wiki.com/index.php?title=Nibiru claims that it is in orbit around our Sun. It would make more sense that way.
 
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longbaugh

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I'm not sure what the crossing of the orbital plane (the 'carousel effect' from Stoney's previous post and 'The Dark Rift' from BobbyBoy's) but I have a couple of questions there, too. (Sorry if I'm off topic).

From the Dark Rift video:
bobbyboy34 said:
dark rift and how all dat dere works

pt1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdNbtuHHoyU

pt2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7PWuRpUlU&feature=related
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In the first part, they say:
Once upon a time… (26,000 years ago) our planet embarked on a very destructive journey through the central gravitational plane of our galaxy.

THE DARK RIFT …

During this journey, planet earth suffered servere (sic) damage due to collisions with space debris left over from the formation of the planets. Earth also suffered from major surface damage due to a change of gravitional (sic) axis…A POLE SHIFT! This event wiped out almost every living thing on our planet.
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I’m assuming the change in gravitational plane that they refer to is the ‘carousel effect’ described in Stoney’s previous post. I don’t know what they mean by ‘pole shift’, then. They may have confused a few things. Does anyone know what they mean by ‘pole shift’?

Secondly, I’m not aware of a mass extinction occurring as early as 26,000 years ago that “wiped out almost every living thing on our planet”. There was an extinction at the end of the Eocene where around 15% of life went extinct…but the last mass extinction was 65 million years ago.
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Sorry.To clarify, I was trying to explain that our planet isn't going to magically align with the center of the galaxy...it pretty much already is.It travels with the solar system,sometimes up, sometimes down, but always roughly the same distance from the center.
longbaugh said:
I'm not sure what the crossing of the orbital plane (the 'carousel effect' from Stoney's previous post and 'The Dark Rift' from BobbyBoy's) but I have a couple of questions there, too. (Sorry if I'm off topic).

From the Dark Rift video:


In the first part, they say:
Once upon a time… (26,000 years ago) our planet embarked on a very destructive journey through the central gravitational plane of our galaxy.

THE DARK RIFT …

During this journey, planet earth suffered servere (sic) damage due to collisions with space debris left over from the formation of the planets. Earth also suffered from major surface damage due to a change of gravitional (sic) axis…A POLE SHIFT! This event wiped out almost every living thing on our planet.
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I’m assuming the change in gravitational plane that they refer to is the ‘carousel effect’ described in Stoney’s previous post. I don’t know what they mean by ‘pole shift’, then. They may have confused a few things. Does anyone know what they mean by ‘pole shift’?

Secondly, I’m not aware of a mass extinction occurring as early as 26,000 years ago that “wiped out almost every living thing on our planet”. There was an extinction at the end of the Eocene where around 15% of life went extinct…but the last mass extinction was 65 million years ago.
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longbaugh

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Stoney McFried said:
Sorry.To clarify, I was trying to explain that our planet isn't going to magically align with the center of the galaxy...it pretty much already is.It travels with the solar system,sometimes up, sometimes down, but always roughly the same distance from the center.
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Yeah, it seems like the alignment with the orbital plane is another thing: the Dark Rift. Ooga Booga, to coin a phrase.

As near as I can figure, the other alignment thing has to do with the galactic center as the far point, the Earth as another point, and the Sun. I think that happens every year (as I think you pointed out in a previous post). However, it sounds like the other added component is the precession. I don't know how you can define why that particular spot in the precession is special, though.

I don't know how any of that has to do with Nibiru, though. There's been a lot of talk of that stuff on this thread, too. Which is fine ... I'm just waiting to hear how it all correlates. :)
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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I'm just trying to argue the science of why this isn't happening.Sometimes I don't explain it very succinctly, lol.
longbaugh said:
Yeah, it seems like the alignment with the orbital plane is another thing: the Dark Rift. Ooga Booga, to coin a phrase.

As near as I can figure, the other alignment thing has to do with the galactic center as the far point, the Earth as another point, and the Sun. I think that happens every year (as I think you pointed out in a previous post). However, it sounds like the other added component is the precession. I don't know how you can define why that particular spot in the precession is special, though.

I don't know how any of that has to do with Nibiru, though. There's been a lot of talk of that stuff on this thread, too. Which is fine ... I'm just waiting to hear how it all correlates. :)
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longbaugh

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I'm trying to give this stuff the benefit of the doubt because I find that I'm too often too narrow minded. However, I come from a space science background and while this stuff is very cool, I find it hard to believe. I just can't find any semblance of reality in this.

Maybe my problem is that for stuff that's this far out there ... I'm not going to find any rational explanation... I dunno. I don't want to seem like I'm attacking anyone. I don't want to criticize anyone's belief system. Then again, maybe I should, I dunno.

I just wish there were some rebuttal or defense against some of the science that's been presented against Nibiru instead of just some offhanded comments. I guess I'm waiting for "here's the orbital parameters ", "this is why we can't see it", "here's why it's moving so fast", etc. I mean don't you feel like the responses have been a little ... dogmatic ... and dismissive?

It's one thing to say I'm wrong ... it's another to prove I'm wrong.

Will I never get what I'm looking for and should I just let everyone have their fun? Just say, 'Stay off my cloud, man'. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. Then, again, I'm not ready to drink the kool-aid, either. ;-)

Be cool ... roast one. :bigjoint:
 
Dfunk

Dfunk

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It's simply a fascinating concept to people in my opinion. No one knows & if they do they're not gonna tell you or me. As far as that alignment 2012 thing...this is what I think - the mayans or whoever watched the night & what they saw for coming for 2012 was a change in that night sky, The Heavens so to speak. That's all it is I think. Anyone catch that cresent moon/jupiter/venus alignment recently?
 
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