NFL denys free speach to it's players

thetr33man

thetr33man

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Fogdog said:
You are a white man, I presume? What do you really know what it is like to be stopped for driving while black? How about accepting that you don't really know?
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Depends on your definition of white I suppose, Im mostly of euro descent but I have somewhere around 10% NA blood also and I get pretty tan in the summer... Also my wife is a dark skinned Asian so I have seen some discrimination through her eyes. There is no doubt it exists and often feels very unfair to those who feel they are being victimized but another thing I have realized is when you are a member of a group who feels discriminated against, its very easy to view things as racial discrimination that in many cases may not be. At first it seemed like she was actually looking for things to be offended by, but that was when she was mostly hanging out with others of her same race/nationality. After being exposed to a lot more people and realizing that not everything is racial, she has become much more easy going and less likely to be offended by stupid people being stupid.
 
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schuylaar

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Jimdamick said:
The NFL announced today that any player that refuses too stand in a respectful manner next season, in a straight line, holding their helmets in their left hands at the playing of the national anthem, will face disciplinary actions
No more on the field protests against injustices.
It seems that Trump has gotten his way, again
What the fuck has this country become in the span of 18 months, where a citizens right (yea, NFL players are citizens) to peacefully protest against injustices by not standing for the National Anthem, and when the fucking POTUS yell's "Fire them", and the moneygrubbing owners bow to their new fucking Fuhrer's demand, and limits their employees ability to express their 1st Amendment rights.
I know what, a fascist state run by a clown who demands unmitigated loyalty, and screams about the "Deep State", when confronted about his own criminal actions.
Yea, and Hillary sucked, right?
Fuck me
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This IS the road to facsim imo.
 
gwheels

gwheels

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I think the point of my employer allows this or that and they shouldn't is kind of moot. It is quite possibly one of the biggest public forums they had to show their distaste for the current system and government. The race problem is real. It is not going away and many attempts to sweep it under the rug have not resulted in it going away.

I do not watch basketball. Do they play the anthem for those games?

Why not stop the anthem at the game altogether? Really who cares.

In hockey I get it. Often it is Canada and USA so we pay respect to each other with the anthem but if it is all Americans who really cares if they play it or not?

Hot topic I know. But I get why they kneeled. Shit is fucked up.

And a weird white guy story. I was in Atlanta GA and friends said where should we go. I said do you know a good soul food restaurant and they all had this tinge of fear. Like I would have a problem or something. It is in a black neighborhood. WTF is that (super Canuck eh).

I had chicken fried livers and grits and greens and went back and said it was the best damned thing I ever ate and reminded me of Mom's cooking.

Poor white trash cooking is kind of like soul food cooking.

:) And it was nice to see a lot of people smile.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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thetr33man said:
Depends on your definition of white I suppose, Im mostly of euro descent but I have somewhere around 10% NA blood also and I get pretty tan in the summer... Also my wife is a dark skinned Asian so I have seen some discrimination through her eyes. There is no doubt it exists and often feels very unfair to those who feel they are being victimized but another thing I have realized is when you are a member of a group who feels discriminated against, its very easy to view things as racial discrimination that in many cases may not be. At first it seemed like she was actually looking for things to be offended by, but that was when she was mostly hanging out with others of her same race/nationality. After being exposed to a lot more people and realizing that not everything is racial, she has become much more easy going and less likely to be offended by stupid people being stupid.
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It sounds like you've given this some thought. Still, when you say "its very easy to view things as racial discrimination that in many cases may not be". I mean, what do you really know about discrimination of black people? I'd like to suggest that you take yourself and your opinion out of the discussion and listen without comment to black people tell you about the black experience in this country today. White people, myself included, can't know what it's like. A site that I've found to be entertaining, informative and insightful on the subject is, https://www.theroot.com/ . I especially enjoyed an article that gave a light-hearted skewering of white people who say they are not racist but say racist stuff. A take on the subject of the NFL's rules changes is also presented there with an entirely different perspective.

We are talking about this issue because black athletes risked their short lucrative career by taking the knee and getting attention to the issues of Black Lives Matter movement. Kaepernik, Bennett, Chris Long and all the other protesters won. This is why others are sooo offended.
 
Fogdog

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doublejj said:
How much is the fine?.....that will tell you how serious the NFL takes this...
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The size of the fine is not spelled out in the announcement. The team's fine isn't the end of it though. The rules change goes on to say that Goodell has the power to take action on players.
 
Sour Wreck

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Unclebaldrick said:
Frankly, I see their taking a knee as a patriotic act. They understand what this country should be as embodied by the Constitution even if America fails to deliver on it. Protesting this is the right thing to do and we have no right to circumscribe their methods of doing so as long as they are violating no laws, not hurting anybody or destroying anything other than a bunch of fragile rednecks' psyches.

When I see them do it, I am proud to be an American. It is what this country should be about rather than what it really is about today.

Even if I totally disagreed with them, seeing them do it would still make me proud to be American. Dissent is our right guaranteed by the Constitution.
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here is why collin decided to start kneeling in the first place. it was out of respect and recommended by a veteran...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html

After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.


republicans are morons and hypocrites and whiny little cunts
 
Unclebaldrick

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Sour Wreck said:
here is why collin decided to start kneeling in the first place. it was out of respect and recommended by a veteran...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html

After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.


republicans are morons and hypocrites and whiny little cunts
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Republicans are disrespecting America and the flag. Fine them!
 
thetr33man

thetr33man

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Fogdog said:
It sounds like you've given this some thought. Still, when you say "its very easy to view things as racial discrimination that in many cases may not be". I mean, what do you really know about discrimination of black people? I'd like to suggest that you take yourself and your opinion out of the discussion and listen without comment to black people tell you about the black experience in this country today. White people, myself included, can't know what it's like. A site that I've found to be entertaining, informative and insightful on the subject is, https://www.theroot.com/ . I especially enjoyed an article that gave a light-hearted skewering of white people who say they are not racist but say racist stuff. A take on the subject of the NFL's rules changes is also presented there with an entirely different perspective.

We are talking about this issue because black athletes risked their short lucrative career by taking the knee and getting attention to the issues of Black Lives Matter movement. Kaepernik, Bennett, Chris Long and all the other protesters won. This is why others are sooo offended.
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As I mentioned before, peoples perception of being the victim of racism is often very different than those viewing it externally, and I have seen firsthand instances where my wife thought someone was being racist towards her, where Im pretty sure they werent, and after I pointed it out to her, she admitted that she was probably wrong. Just because someone feels something is one way, doesnt mean it always is. Often people look for the simplest answer to why they might be treated differently or unfairly, and race is an easy one for them to use. "I didnt get the raise I feel I deserve, my boss is racist", "That white bitch gave me the stink eye when I walked by her, she must be racist", "I got pulled over for going 79 in a 75, when everyone else was speeding also, pig is racist", etc...

Also id bet if you took a pool of NFL viewers and asked them 2 things, if they thought the protestors 'won' (which I dont agree with) and if they thought the protests helped or hurt race relations in the US, you would be very surprised by the results.

I will check out that site when I have some time, Im interested to viewing others perspectives, but Im not sure it will make me significantly more sympathetic towards their cause. I should probably mention, the only violence I have experienced in my adult life was being beaten silly by a group of black athletes when I was in college at a house party. I made the mistake of trying to break up what was going to be a fight between a white youth and a black youth, where the black youth was obviously the aggressor, and had a pack black males turn on me and give me a fairly severe concussion. I didnt expect to be jumped by a group of guys for trying to defend a single one, in a non-violent way. While I dont hold this against all black people, I do have some understanding of why police might be significantly more cautious when dealing with them than other races, who have less violent tendencies.
 
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