Need help fast... wtf is wrong with my plants?

I am on day 37 of vegging these white russians and have had nothing but problems since week 2. I posted a thread on here approx. 2 weeks ago and determined the problem was co2 burn because my regulator leaked and co2 got over 3000 ppm. Ok so since then growth picked up again and plants recovered nicely and all of a sudden like a week later the leaf edges started to show rust spots on what looked to be a calcium def. I foliar fed them with ro water and calmag and it stopped kind of for like a week. The next week went ok until the end then I started seeing spots on the leaves again which have evolved into what you see in the pictures I am about to post here right now. Some of the plants have these spots on every leaf and some aren't as bad but the ones that aren't as bad have these yellow spots on the leaves. I am growing using standalone dwc 5 gal buckets. I have a sentinel chhc-4 controlling the environment. RH has been between 39.5 and 60. Temps have been between 76 and 80 lights on and 69 and 75 lights off. Co2 has been at 1500ppm since I got the cap regulator and before that 1100 and 1600 ppm. Bucket temp is at 70-72 with no root rot. Water level is approx 2" below netpot and I fill to 3 gal exactly. PH is between 5.5 and the highest its been is 5.9 with no swings. I am using botanicare pure blend pro grow and liquid karma, aquashield, and calmag. Lately I have been using 1ml of superthrive per bucket every bucket change. Last bucket change before this I also added guardian my. I also use R/O water that comes out at 6.0 ph and 5 ppm on a .7 scale. I change buckets every week and the end of day 6. Last bucket change which was yesterday I went a little too hard on the ferts (leaf tips look a little burnt) but its not extreme. My nute dosage is as fallows....
Yesterdays bucket change in order of addition-
45 Drops of General Hydroponics ph up
25ml pbp grow (I think its a little too much)
25ml calmag
20ml liquid karma
25ml aquashield
1ml superthrive
3/4 cup of water with 10 drops of ph up diluted to set buckets at exactly 5.5

Last week-
42 drops ph up
20ml pbp grow
15ml calmag
15ml liquid karma
15ml aquashield
1ml superthrive
50ml guardian my to 16oz of ro water and sprayed roots really good with spray bottle
3/4 cup of ro water with 8 drops of ph up diluted... buckets at 5.5
*calcium def showed after this bucket change so I added a cup of water to each bucket with 5ml of calmag diluted and foliar fed them with 1ml calmag the next day*

week before that-
38 drops ph up
15ml pbp grow
20ml calmag
30ml liquid karma
45ml aquashield
3/4 cup of water with 6 drops ph up diluted

week before that (yeah I know I f'd up mixing but cut me some slack its my first grow)
30ml liquid karma
20ml calmag
45ml aquashield
10ml pbp grow
unknown amount of ph up undiluted straight into the solution (ouch) and saw lots of white clouds every time a drop hit lol what an asshole I am.

week before that-
I really cant remember but I know I only used liquid karma, aquashield and 150 ppm of pbp grow on a .7 scale.

Also I am using a 1000w hortilux blue air cooled by an 8" vortex and I am running a 20/4 light cycle again... I was using 18/6 last week because I started seeing preflowers and so far I have 6 girls out of 8 plants confirmed so now I am back on 20/4 because I noticed a big slow down in growth rate on 18/6. Almost all the leaves on the bottoms are dying off on every plant and a lot of them feel crunchy and hard except for all the new growth which I am sure will feel the same if I don't get this corrected soon. And before anybody says anything about the 1000mh being too hot I can get my hand to about 2 to 3" under the glass before it gets uncomfortable (Yeah I know that sounds unbelievable but my a/c unit and vortex are doing their thing for sure) my hood runs cooler then my 400w mh in the other room thats not aircooled. I also have mad airflow there is 4 osc. fans (quantum infinite breeze) that I think I mounted too high and they blow at different angles towards the tops of the plants. I don't know if thats the problem but I have been keeping them on low speed lately so I don't know. Anyway here are the pics and if anybody else needs anymore info please let me know I will answer any question you have.
 

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Oneton

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so many variables for you to get spot on, did you ever think of just startin out in soil with a 1 part fert?
 
so many variables for you to get spot on, did you ever think of just startin out in soil with a 1 part fert?
Yeah I thought about it until I saw a great grow room with a beautiful 3 week old soil plant that looked just like mine at the end of week one lol. That changed my mind real fast.
 

Oneton

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oh yeah and stay away from the soil assholes to they grow in something that already has everything a plant needs and then pat each other on the back like there pulling some kinda magic out of there ass. soil is only good for mother plants and growing outside DEATH TO HIPPIES
"i started in soil and still go back to it the odd time, n growin in something that has everything a plant needs makes for a handy 1st grow indeed . saves the "all the gear, no idea" problems
 
first ild say your tryen way to hard. next r you running ozone? if so cut back by using a timer. the number 1 rule dont try to learn from these fucktard hippies they will have you all fucked up. i have been over this whole site and the truely great growers on here i can count on 1 hand. i had botanicare send me there line up i didnt care for it. take all that shit ur using throw it away get an's bloom and mico u dont need the grow part the micro has all the n youll need get some h2o2 to add once in a while and quit changing you water out its good for the whole grow. do this and you will make you life alot easier and you wont be on here asking for help from these no talent hippy retards
Oh and no ozone... I like the odor problems I want there to be so much odor that I choke walking through the back door lol no need for odor control I feel happy when I smell skunk... Its like my aroma therapy.
 

Oneton

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Yeah I thought about it until I saw a great grow room with a beautiful 3 week old soil plant that looked just like mine at the end of week one lol. That changed my mind real fast.
so you seen 1 plant grown in soil and totaly dismissed growing in soil? lol, how did get on to the set up your on anyhow?
 
so you seen 1 plant grown in soil and totaly dismissed growing in soil? lol, how did get on to the set up your on anyhow?
No that was the one plant that changed my mind. I have seen a lot of soil plants that were excellent they produced some killer shit but the rooms they were in weren't on point like mine. The one soil plant I am referring to was in a room that was all bases covered like mine and that put the nail in the coffin for soil... the growth rate is just too slow for me I don't have time to be waiting around that long.
 
so you seen 1 plant grown in soil and totaly dismissed growing in soil? lol, how did get on to the set up your on anyhow?
I got on my setup because I wanted to grow big bushes and all the other hydro methods didn't impress me on the plant size that you could grow and the ones that did all ran on a common rez with drippers and things that can clog. So I figured dwc is for me... I can control each bucket individually and I can grow a big dumb bush like I always dreamed and move them around where ever I want ect.... pretty much my goal in this was to have the best possible environment I could build and have it so it grows big like a soil plant but with hydro speed.
 

Oneton

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yeah hydro/dwc can be quicker if you get it spot on but that week or so quicker can be easily wiped out by little problems that arise. a problem free soil grow will yield more potent bud in less time than a fucked up / problem riddled dwc/hydro.
(not saying yours is dude am just sayin)
 

growman09

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you worry way to much, and soil is by far the way to go unless you know how to grow in hydro. maybe you better goto dirt untill you learn a thing or two. just because you think your cool by putting 8 grand into a sytem that is screwing up your plants doesnt mean you know what your doing. how big is your plants? Mine in soil are over 30 inches after 5 weeks plenty of growth if you ask me
 

Oneton

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can see where your coming from tho and your set up is a v.good one.

the pics in my journal show ample growth (i think) am using soil this grow as i totaly fucked up my nft grow last time.i switched pump off to adjust ph and forgot to flip it back on again!! simple stupid mistake i know. i got punished with a failure. bummer
 

kingofqueen

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Soil hippies? lol Whatever u smoke your gross chemically fostered overpumped plants . And we will smoke our tasty organic buds while u choke ! I see so many varibles in this grow i didnt even bother troubleshooting it . Soil is more forgiving if u mess up . Fuck that chemical soup.
 
you worry way to much, and soil is by far the way to go unless you know how to grow in hydro. maybe you better goto dirt untill you learn a thing or two. just because you think your cool by putting 8 grand into a sytem that is screwing up your plants doesnt mean you know what your doing. how big is your plants? Mine in soil are over 30 inches after 5 weeks plenty of growth if you ask me
Im sure mine could be a lot taller if I used a weaker light and raised it up to the ceiling or a hps or a big gap in temp from day to night but they are 10 nodes and 11" tall and today is only day 37 from planting the seed in the a-ok starter plug... they also have a shitload of branching... they are bushy the biggest internode stretch is maybe an inch and a half... and I don't think that the equipment is the problem I am sure its either me or the botanicare which is why I am asking you all for help so I can figure it out... I am not interested in growing and soil and I am sure that I would much rather be dealing with this then mites and all the other bs that comes with soil growing.
 

growman09

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shoot i got a couple white rinos in soil that are 3 weeks old and they are atleast 15 inches tall with plenty of branching and the nodes are spaced maybe 1 inch or so i have puple indica that was 1 month old and had 12 nodes and only 13 inches tall as well so to me hydro might be a little faster but untill you get it dialed in its just a plant eater. Fox Farms Ocean soil is "DA BOMB"
 

kingofqueen

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WHAT A TOTAL ASSHOLE ! You dont need to be on here making fun of people . Hope ur plants have a horrible death !
 

hempstead

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Hmmm I may be wrong but I think white spots like that are usually from spider mites. Check them really good. And I have had gnats in hydro too. Bugs do not discriminate but some times the bugs come free with the soil. heh I am not a hippy but organic is the way to go if growing for the head(depending on strain). But if you are in it to spread the love then hydro does have better yields.
 
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