Need Advise On The Truth Behind the 24, 48, 72 Hours Of Darkness Before Harvest.

wiseguy316 said:

Brick top had a really good post about this topic. With university studies about 72 hrs of darkness. Try and find it. I personally do it. It doesn't cost anything to not run the lights for 3 days. From what I read in his post i was convinced.

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Brick top is one of thee most informative people i have ever come across on these boards!!

oHsiN666 said:

Brick top is one of thee most informative people i have ever come across on these boards!!

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I completely agree with that statement.

OK!!!! what i mean by "flushing" is no nutes the last week or two before harvest. i WILL NOT put 9gal of water thru my plants, that does not make sense to me. PLUS IM GROWING IN COCO!!!!!! COCO IS MY MEDIUM!!!! WAY DIFFERENT THEN SOIL, AND DIFFERENT THEN HYDRO, BUT KIND OF THE SAME!!!!sorry for the caps, but i feel like im in high school, nobody listened to me then, and i have a feeling that nobody is listening to me now. its rather frustrating. maybe i should go start a Coco For Dummies thread or sum shit.

never done the dark thing. might try it sometime, always felt if it fools them into thinking its winter...might just pop a couple nanners out to make sure of reproduction. But obviously I cant be sure of that either.

...I dont see much of a need to even give plants plain water the last 7-14 days...cause I water to get 30% runoff EVERY TIME...no salt build ups, no worries. On the other hand I DO cut back nutrient usage the last 2 weeks..and the last 2 watering are plain...and thats probably not needed anyways.

oHsiN666 said:

OK!!!! what i mean by "flushing" is no nutes the last week or two before harvest. i WILL NOT put 9gal of water thru my plants, that does not make sense to me. PLUS IM GROWING IN COCO!!!!!! COCO IS MY MEDIUM!!!! WAY DIFFERENT THEN SOIL, AND DIFFERENT THEN HYDRO, BUT KIND OF THE SAME!!!!sorry for the caps, but i feel like im in high school, nobody listened to me then, and i have a feeling that nobody is listening to me now. its rather frustrating. maybe i should go start a Coco For Dummies thread or sum shit.

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fucking A right....I'm a coco man too. I didnt even see this post

and its just like a hydro...an inert medium. ...if your hand watering to waste, get a good 20-30% every time and there's no need for plain water the last 7-14 days.

ok right fair enough cannabis has 600 or so active cannibinoids all involved with getting u high. 3 days in the dark isn't going to produce extra amber trichs and if anything will surely stop the trichs developing much more, as for the resin claim i can't say, the only way to do it fairly is to get two cuttings from the same plant and then do a side by side blind sampling, but i can be dam sure that if ur getting extra something from keeping her in the dark that chances are ur sacrificing something else....all bout balance innit

well... this might sound odd. but some containers do have run off after watering/feeding and sometimes they do not! 2 of the plants have run off every day o matter the amount of liquid i give her. lately i have been getting lazy and just giving them 1 full cup and a half. i have 1 plant im treating way differently. she has hardly any frost on her, but such massively thick colas!!! huge!! but the frost is just barely starting to form. im thinking she is going to be a late finisher, seeing shes Skunk i think she needs another 4 weeks, if not 6. the other 9 are roughly about 2-3 weeks away, and 1 (in the most recent pics) is looking like she will be done any day now. i have another room i can put the plants into straight darkness. so that is no problem, and darkness is completely free!! ill just throw a fan in that room, since its hella small and be good. im still seeing mixed reviews for the last 2 weeks. some just use water, some use nutes til the end. i know soil and organic growers have different feeding schedules, and as with a hydro system. its rather confusing when there is not a solid census. i appreciate the input, although i think i am a lot more confused now then i was before.

VanishingToaster said:

ok right fair enough cannabis has 600 or so active cannibinoids all involved with getting u high. 3 days in the dark isn't going to produce extra amber trichs and if anything will surely stop the trichs developing much more, as for the resin claim i can't say, the only way to do it fairly is to get two cuttings from the same plant and then do a side by side blind sampling, but i can be dam sure that if ur getting extra something from keeping her in the dark that chances are ur sacrificing something else....all bout balance innit

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LMFAO!!! its not about getting any extra weight....lol!!!! wow!

i never mentioned weight u twat, we're talking about cannibinoids aren't we?

oHsiN666 said:

well... this might sound odd. but some containers do have run off after watering/feeding and sometimes they do not! 2 of the plants have run off every day o matter the amount of liquid i give her. lately i have been getting lazy and just giving them 1 full cup and a half. i have 1 plant im treating way differently. she has hardly any frost on her, but such massively thick colas!!! huge!! but the frost is just barely starting to form. im thinking she is going to be a late finisher, seeing shes Skunk i think she needs another 4 weeks, if not 6. the other 9 are roughly about 2-3 weeks away, and 1 (in the most recent pics) is looking like she will be done any day now. i have another room i can put the plants into straight darkness. so that is no problem, and darkness is completely free!! ill just throw a fan in that room, since its hella small and be good. im still seeing mixed reviews for the last 2 weeks. some just use water, some use nutes til the end. i know soil and organic growers have different feeding schedules, and as with a hydro system. its rather confusing when there is not a solid census. i appreciate the input, although i think i am a lot more confused now then i was before.

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Well I grow skunk #1 in coco, so anytime you want to see what she can do give me a shout.

As for the the debate on it being hydro or not. It clearly is, it retains only slight amounts of nutrients, (bonds to P and Ca well) if your hand watering, or using a top feed automated system (even recirculating) it's hydro. You need to feed EVERY TIME you water in coco. It isnt soil...so no more: feed, water water, feed shit. It's FEED FEED FEED. Believe me, I took my knocks learning it. (thanks to Pukka for showing me the way)

You got a journal or something with pics and shit?

your not growing in coco brother, your growing in peat....supplemented with coco.

By SunshineAdvanced on May 5, 2011
Beginning with carefully selected ingredients and formulated by a team of professional horticulturists, the Sunshine Advanced #4 Growing Mix is made from high quality raw materials and provides an ideal growing mix for your indoor and outdoor growing needs.
The foundation of the growing mix is Canadian Sphagnum peat moss, sustainably harvested from carefully managed bogs in rural Canada. The peat moss is screened to remove large clumps and sticks and is blended with horticultural grade perlite and coir (a by-product of the coconut industry). Peat moss reduces the leaching of nutrients from the growing mix allowing them to release slowly over time. Perlite keeps air spaces open while coir combined with peat allows good water retention. This provides a balance of air and water that results in good root growth and the foundation for good stem and flower growth. Dolomitic lime, a starter organic fertilizer, mycorrhizae and an organic wetting agent are added to complete the mix. Lime adjusts the pH for optimum fertilizer availability; the starter organic fertilizer helps transplants establish; mycorrhizae assists in fertilizer uptake and the organic wetting agent helps peat moss absorb water better.

so because of this....take back everything I said about FEED FEED FEED...you'd burn your plants doing that in peat.

ok! the guy who got me into coco told me too water everyday. i didn't believe him at first, but then started to do it everyday and OH MAN!! i have def noticed a dif. however! i only do the Feed Feed Feed thing when they are looking healthy! right now, i think a few of them got a little burnt, so they get a a Water Feed Water Feed schedule until they look healthy again. sometimes i get run off, sometimes i don't. i use Cal/mag almost with every feed, and just found out today that's not necessary. so, im still learning the ropes for coco. the dude who got me started kind of left me hanging. i don;t blame him, hes super busy, and i kinds just meet the dude. none of my close friends grow, so nobody knows what im doing, so i do not have anyone to ask for help except for on here. getting told 3 different things is starting to fuck with my head. i think about switching to soil just about everyday now! but i know the benefits of coco, so im struggling on. OH!!! and all of a sudden my Mother Plant is looking like shit!!! FML!!!!

i was told to still treat my plants as coco....

Wow, this thread got completely off topic.

good! i need help and im finally getting somewhere.

oHsiN666 said:

i was told to still treat my plants as coco....

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because your in a peat based medium I wouldn't treat them as if they are in straight coco. Your going to run into salt build ups later.

This is just essentially a soilLESS mix, and not plain coco.

I'd give a nice plain watering in between feedings. Now if you get a brick like this:



and thats all your growing in ( plus maybe some perilite) then your running hydro.

The darkness deal is a waste of time. I experimented with it for a few years on almost a dozen different strains and I could never tell a difference. Bricktop claimed some institute did a test but of course no one has that document because it probably doesn't exist. I don't flush either because if you have an idea of how plants work and have gardened at any point in your life, flushing would make no sense.

OK!!! im going to get a bag of that in a few weeks. i hope you see my frustration here, but i am 2 weeks, possibly 3 weeks away from being finished. can you please tell me the proper execution for harvesting in what i am using now? my brain is going to pop any second from all this.

there IS an alternative.... but it takes some switching over. Organic Supersoil with a coco Supplementation. you get all the good stuff of organic supersoil, with added coco into the mix and you get Super drainage just like coco...

Peat moss 50%
Perlite 25%
Coco 25%
+ all the nutrients and addatives of super soil (dont have time to list my ingredients) and you get a mix that drains 5 Gallon buckets in 2-3 days, and enough micro-nutrients to supply the plant for its entire life...... N/P/K lasts for the first 2 months of growth and with a supplementary 10% feeding every time you water the plants it makes for one HELL of a good supply for the plants.

here are some pics. i don't have much time ATM. i'll be back later with more info