My new aero cloner
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VictorVIcious
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yes you should have an airstone in there. Ifound some 1' long at Meijers in the pet department for $1.99. Bubbles like crazy. Nice looking cloner. VV
splifman
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don't know anything about ultra sonics either... sorry
Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
Might be worth trying, but don't add any nutrients to the water you're using an ultrasonic fogger in. Nutrient salts will quickly (2wks or less) clog up the fogger by precipitating on the piezoelectric element and preventing it from vibrating. $12 worth of sad experience.
Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
That's da way!
splifman
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Al, can you describe what root or stem rot looks like? Two of my twelve look like the roots are growing really weird. The roots look like they grew all bunched up in a white ball that has a layer of slime or goo over it... lol. sounds nasty don't it?...
Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
Stem rot is where the tissue dies and goes squishy. Caused by overwet conds which promote pathogen growth.
The whitish goo you have is a big wad of pathogen growth, could be pythium or fusarium. About the best way I've found to suppress pythium is with hydrogen peroxide. I use 50% 'food grade' H2O2 at 1ml/litre of nutrient solution, every 2nd to 3rd day. You can use the 3% pharmacy grade H2O2 but you need to use 17ml/litre of standing nutrient solution.
If the bottom of a reservoir feels slimy, there's pathogen growth happening that H2O2 will stop. In severe cases, you get the 'goo' you're describng.
The whitish goo you have is a big wad of pathogen growth, could be pythium or fusarium. About the best way I've found to suppress pythium is with hydrogen peroxide. I use 50% 'food grade' H2O2 at 1ml/litre of nutrient solution, every 2nd to 3rd day. You can use the 3% pharmacy grade H2O2 but you need to use 17ml/litre of standing nutrient solution.
If the bottom of a reservoir feels slimy, there's pathogen growth happening that H2O2 will stop. In severe cases, you get the 'goo' you're describng.
splifman
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so are you saying that those two that I described are most likely rotting?
There is no slime or anything on the bottom of the res though.
Should I cut that portion off and try to root again? The others did just fine, so I don't know why these too went loco on me.
potroast
Uses the Rollitup profile
If the roots are still white, then they are probably healthy. Root rot causes roots to darken, and they will separate if pulled.
If your rez temp is higher than 75 then pathogens will grow in there, and can cause all kinds of problems.
I know! pH adjusted ice cubes.
If your rez temp is higher than 75 then pathogens will grow in there, and can cause all kinds of problems.
I know! pH adjusted ice cubes.
splifman
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The roots are still white. However, on one of them the roots were completly covered by this goo that is actually black in some places. I gently scraped the goo off and the roots looked fine. Will the hydrogen peroxide fix this problem? Is it something that could be a problem?
Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
Yes, H2O2 in the concentrations I specified, applied every 2-3 days, should sort it out.
About 75F/24C. No hotter than 80F/27C or root damage and oxygen depletion from the solution will occur.
pH should be ~5.3-5.8.
splifman
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I was wondering when is the earliest I can plant these clones? I just have a feeling that the roots would grow out faster once planted. That has been my experience at least. Here is a pick of one of the clones. The roots are there, they just aren't growing out fast enough.
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splifman
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Okay, I've neglected to update this thread because I had some issues to sort out with the cloner. I had to figure out a way to keep the water temp at around 70 F or lower, to prevent all that shit from growing on the plant stems and in the resevoir. I was able to salvage and plant 5 of the clones that rooted in the last batch, but the other 4 had to be thrown away because they had all that slime and goo on their stems.
I cleaned out the res and and took three new cuttings and put them in the cloner on Wednesday night. By tonight they would have been in the cloner for 48 hours. My goal is to have roots within 4 to 5 days. I am currently only using water with pH down for the res and cloning gel on the stems. I am pretty sure that with some extra additives to the res water, i might get faster results, but I wanna see how fast I can get them to root without anything added (I'm being a cheap ass).
If I don't get fast results, I will suck it up and spend the money on what I need to make the 'secret' cloning solution that I caught word of...
I'll post some pics in a little while.
I cleaned out the res and and took three new cuttings and put them in the cloner on Wednesday night. By tonight they would have been in the cloner for 48 hours. My goal is to have roots within 4 to 5 days. I am currently only using water with pH down for the res and cloning gel on the stems. I am pretty sure that with some extra additives to the res water, i might get faster results, but I wanna see how fast I can get them to root without anything added (I'm being a cheap ass).
If I don't get fast results, I will suck it up and spend the money on what I need to make the 'secret' cloning solution that I caught word of...
I'll post some pics in a little while.
jimbojones5678
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I agree with you Al, the propagation domes that are sold now keep the humidity levels way too high with all the vents shut - and they are generally flimsy crap too unless you spend big dollars.
I have had repeated failures with my clones because of the rockwool getting too wet.
I do everything properly but once I put the rockwool in the crib - the 40mm cubes get so wet in 24hrs that they exude around half a cup of water and the clones are wilting and fucted.
Most other ppeeps have told me to put a thick layer of perlite under the cubes, and below that in the tray base - some water.
But after learning the hard way - I just don't see how this works for them as the perlite sucks too much water up into the cubes.
I'm trying RW again with no perlite/water beneath them and just spraying them twice a day.
Jimbo
I have had repeated failures with my clones because of the rockwool getting too wet.
I do everything properly but once I put the rockwool in the crib - the 40mm cubes get so wet in 24hrs that they exude around half a cup of water and the clones are wilting and fucted.
Most other ppeeps have told me to put a thick layer of perlite under the cubes, and below that in the tray base - some water.
But after learning the hard way - I just don't see how this works for them as the perlite sucks too much water up into the cubes.
I'm trying RW again with no perlite/water beneath them and just spraying them twice a day.
Jimbo
Well as for me the cheap cloner has worked 100% all the time and the good thing about it is that there is no fuss it is really very simple. All it takes is 100% water nothing else. First make your box and holes and and I found that the foam that are used for making foam slippers work really good for holding the clones in place. And also the most important thing is to keep the water temperature at 22degrees celsius and you will most likely get roots within 5~10days at least that how long it takes with me. And all I do is snip and put it into the cloner and leave them alone. I don't even cut under water or even at a angle. to me it does no good just snip and place in to the homemade cloner
delstele
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What is this secret cloning solution this person speaks of?kiss-assPlease enlighten me.