My first attempt at QWISO

So I have found this is a MUCH easier process then bubble hash and you get a MUCH stronger and superior product. Never going back... maybe just to press wax into rosin if I get a press? But that seems like a TON of work compared to this.... I also found the PERFECT straining vessel at stupid walmart for 10 bucks. It is in the canning section listed as a 1 gallon jar made by Anchor glass and a 6" screen fits perfectly in the top! I had to go to a couple different ones to find three of them but I can really make this go fast now. I also have a huge stand up freezer that is old school so the coils are int he racks, so I can set the infused iso directly on the cooling coils (i have seen some tech say to freeze a block of ice and use that but this seems like a step up!). Anywho here is a pic of my first wash with this. I used 20 grams of trim and between the first and second washes I have 2.6 grams. Not the 20% mark but maybe if I added in the 3rd washes weight I would get there. Also this stuff works GREAT in my Pax 3! I still have more trim and a good supply of iso freezing up... hmm it feels like -38 here I wonder if I would benefit from making some outside lol

You can see why I fell in love with this process and qwiso. It's just so fast and easy with very small risk if your not a moron .

Remember yield is totally based on starting material. I try not to use anything but the sugariest trim and larf bud. I've also done full premium bud runs and those are even tastier, but not super cost effective.

You should also try using some fresh frozen buds and or trim. I don't usually trim wet, but fresh frozen material made into qwiso tastes the way your plants smell at harvest.

meangreengrowinmachine said:

I still have more trim and a good supply of iso freezing up... hmm it feels like -38 here I wonder if I would benefit from making some outside lol

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The colder you go the better. I make my qwiso with EVERYTHING COLD. I I usually make HUGE batches in winter. Leave everything outside in the cold with the snow for two days and then I freeze my ass off for about a week making some. You pull less green/chlorophyll like that. Im sure thundercats tek is for making small batches (right?). I cant do that. If I did it would take me WAY longer and Id have to buy many of pyrex dishes. I usually dump a half gallon full of iso with the oil into big pyrex and put a fan on it for days. I line up the trays and let them off gas outside.

meangreengrowinmachine said:

So I have found this is a MUCH easier process then bubble hash

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How did you do your bubble hash? Ive been wanting to make some because iso aint cheap in the amounts I buy it at and water is usually cheap/free!

Thundercat said:

You can see why I fell in love with this process and qwiso. It's just so fast and easy with very small risk if your not a moron .

Remember yield is totally based on starting material. I try not to use anything but the sugariest trim and larf bud. I've also done full premium bud runs and those are even tastier, but not super cost effective.

You should also try using some fresh frozen buds and or trim. I don't usually trim wet, but fresh frozen material made into qwiso tastes the way your plants smell at harvest.

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I will totally try that out when I have some... is it as effective though when it has not been cured or do you need to then let the qwiso itself cure in order for the maturation of the THC to take place?

Good work!

Keeping the purge temp low (under 110°F) will give you shatter. The higher the temp you purge at the runny-er the concentrate will be.

I think when doing large runs of material that QWISO (or BHO either) isn't any quicker or faster than bubble, and when a TON of ISO is used it gets pretty expensive (compared to water). Plus trying to purge a big batch outside sucks, shit wants to blow in it and it's just a bitch to deal with. I actually prefer the 120-45mesh bubble over anything, but I do use the other mesh sizes to make my QWIZO with.

Nice looking amber

ChiefRunningPhist said:

Plus trying to purge a big batch outside sucks, shit wants to blow in it and it's just a bitch to deal with.

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Not for me I put panty hose wrapped over the pyrex dish

Thegermling said:

The colder you go the better. I make my qwiso with EVERYTHING COLD. I I usually make HUGE batches in winter. Leave everything outside in the cold with the snow for two days and then I freeze my ass off for about a week making some. You pull less green/chlorophyll like that. Im sure thundercats tek is for making small batches (right?). I cant do that. If I did it would take me WAY longer and Id have to buy many of pyrex dishes. I usually dump a half gallon full of iso with the oil into big pyrex and put a fan on it for days. I line up the trays and let them off gas outside.

How did you do your bubble hash? Ive been wanting to make some because iso aint cheap in the amounts I buy it at and water is usually cheap/free!

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I just used some shitty bubble bags I bought years ago, if I did it again I would buy a mini washer and some decent bags. But this just is sooooo much easier also if chlorophyll content is a concern I would just steer away from bubble unless you plan on pressing it... but I beat the shit out of my material when doing it so maybe thats just me. I am liking this far more then bubble that I have done for years... 91% iso is cheap AF here maybe if you are using everclear... which from everything I have seen is NOT necessary, but I think that is one of THOSE debates (i.e. is flushing for plants or toilets, which is better HID or LED lol).

meangreengrowinmachine said:

I will totally try that out when I have some... is it as effective though when it has not been cured or do you need to then let the qwiso itself cure in order for the maturation of the THC to take place?

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Nope it works just the same. Curing buds is mostly about chlorophyll breaking down. If your plants are mature when you harvest them your THCa levels will be at their peak. I'll take any larf buds the night I harvest and put them straight into the freezer in jars.

ChiefRunningPhist said:

Good work!

Keeping the purge temp low (under 110°F) will give you shatter. The higher the temp you purge at the runny-er the concentrate will be.

I think when doing large runs of material that QWISO (or BHO either) isn't any quicker or faster than bubble, and when a TON of ISO is used it gets pretty expensive (compared to water). Plus trying to purge a big batch outside sucks, shit wants to blow in it and it's just a bitch to deal with. I actually prefer the 120-45mesh bubble over anything, but I do use the other mesh sizes to make my QWIZO with.

Nice looking amber

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Thanks man! I purged in my cold basement in my "lung room" outside my right now not being utilized flower room. unhooked my carbon filter from my extraction fan which goes directly to the outside (no neighbors anywhere in scent or sight) and add a fan and a dehumidifier (not that I need it since it is dead of winter here and dry AF) and it turned out as it is. I did notice this batch had a lot of the very white crystals.. I wish I had taken a pic of my thumb as I was scraping lol it was sparkling whitish neon green it was amazing... but hard to get that shit off lol I will get a pic of it next time!

meangreengrowinmachine said:

I just used some shitty bubble bags I bought years ago, if I did it again I would buy a mini washer and some decent bags. But this just is sooooo much easier also if chlorophyll content is a concern I would just steer away from bubble unless you plan on pressing it... but I beat the shit out of my material when doing it so maybe thats just me. I am liking this far more then bubble that I have done for years... 91% iso is cheap AF here maybe if you are using everclear... which from everything I have seen is NOT necessary, but I think that is one of THOSE debates (i.e. is flushing for plants or toilets, which is better HID or LED lol).

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I still prefer water. I heard you got to go slow with bubble hash too. Everything still has to be cold as balls too LOL

Thundercat said:

Nope it works just the same. Curing buds is mostly about chlorophyll breaking down. If your plants are mature when you harvest them your THCa levels will be at their peak. I'll take any larf buds the night I harvest and put them straight into the freezer in jars.

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oooh thats awesome I will be doing this with my next harvest of Bodhis Bing (flavored like a cherry tootsie pop) that will be a while but damn it will be amazing!

Thegermling said:

View attachment 4272979 I still prefer water. I heard you got to go slow with bubble hash too. Everything still has to be cold as balls too LOL

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yes if you want the best quality soft and slow and very very cold is best.

Thegermling said:

Not for me I put panty hose wrapped over the pyrex dish

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I used paint strainer bags.

Doesn't get much easier than throwing 2lbs of material at once in a washing machine and letting it drain through the screen after its washed. Then dry it.

With my large scale QWISO, I have to get all the ISO froze down, all the parchment cut and formed, all the half gallon mason jars filled, frozen, then soaked, then filtered & poured, then put all paint strainer bags on, then dry it.

Then pray it doesn't rain, snow, or blow dust.

To each his own but I prefer doing smaller QWISO and BHO batches from my bubble rather than big QWISO and BHO runs from leaf, trim, and nug. I use much less solvent and I think it's easier working with 20g of bubble than 5-6oz of material, and also your final product will be more potent using bubble over a leaf run (but only if I throw some of my coveted 120-45mesh in though, the other meshes hit differently).

meangreengrowinmachine said:

Thanks man! I purged in my cold basement in my "lung room" outside my right now not being utilized flower room. unhooked my carbon filter from my extraction fan which goes directly to the outside (no neighbors anywhere in scent or sight) and add a fan and a dehumidifier (not that I need it since it is dead of winter here and dry AF) and it turned out as it is. I did notice this batch had a lot of the very white crystals.. I wish I had taken a pic of my thumb as I was scraping lol it was sparkling whitish neon green it was amazing... but hard to get that shit off lol I will get a pic of it next time!

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Nice, ya I blast or pour right onto parchment, which lines whatever I happen to be using, mostly baking pans, so no tough razor scraping.

Not sure if the ISO strips the silicone treatment from the paper or not. It doesn't seem likely to me though.

ChiefRunningPhist said:

Nice, ya I blast or pour right onto parchment, which lines whatever I happen to be using, mostly baking pans, so no tough razor scraping.

Not sure if the ISO strips the silicone treatment from the paper or not. It doesn't seem likely to me though.

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I have heard that the ISO DOES in fact strip the silicone from the parchment hence the pyrex and the scraping... not a big deal really. I would think Butane pentane or propane would do the same but I am a long way from my last chemistry class and have not done any of the "ane" extractions.

ChiefRunningPhist said:

I used paint strainer bags.

Doesn't get much easier than throwing 2lbs of material at once in a washing machine and letting it drain through the screen after its washed. Then dry it.

With my large scale QWISO, I have to get all the ISO froze down, all the parchment cut and formed, all the half gallon mason jars filled, frozen, then soaked, then filtered & poured, then put all paint strainer bags on, then dry it.

Then pray it doesn't rain, snow, or blow dust.

To each his own but I prefer doing smaller QWISO and BHO batches from my bubble rather than big QWISO and BHO runs from leaf, trim, and nug. I use much less solvent and I think it's easier working with 20g of bubble than 5-6oz of material, and also your final product will be more potent using bubble over a leaf run (but only if I throw some of my coveted 120-45mesh in though, the other meshes hit differently).

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huh Bubble first and then QWISO.... seems like a lot of work for something that is already fire as it is... but I may just have to try it!

ChiefRunningPhist said:

I used paint strainer bags.

Doesn't get much easier than throwing 2lbs of material at once in a washing machine and letting it drain through the screen after its washed. Then dry it.

With my large scale QWISO, I have to get all the ISO froze down, all the parchment cut and formed, all the half gallon mason jars filled, frozen, then soaked, then filtered & poured, then put all paint strainer bags on, then dry it.

Then pray it doesn't rain, snow, or blow dust.

To each his own but I prefer doing smaller QWISO and BHO batches from my bubble rather than big QWISO and BHO runs from leaf, trim, and nug. I use much less solvent and I think it's easier working with 20g of bubble than 5-6oz of material, and also your final product will be more potent using bubble over a leaf run (but only if I throw some of my coveted 120-45mesh in though, the other meshes hit differently).

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Holy shit man I never thought about the bubble and iso combo NICE indeed. WIll be trying that fo sho!

Yes you want platinum cured sheets/containers/ mats for iso. I use pdfe sheets from the oil slick company.
Sorry meant platinum.

meangreengrowinmachine said:

I have heard that the ISO DOES in fact strip the silicone from the parchment hence the pyrex and the scraping... not a big deal really. I would think Butane pentane or propane would do the same but I am a long way from my last chemistry class and have not done any of the "ane" extractions.

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"Polymers can dissolve, but silicone rubber won't dissolve in alcohol. It will swell to some degree depending on the type of silicone and degree of cross-linking of the polymer. When this happens, the polymer is essentially trying to dissolve, and taking solvent into its structural lattice. It could swell to many times the original size. But when the alcohol is removed and allowed to evaporate, it will return to the original state, it has not dissolved, or melted."

I'm pretty sure that ISO doesn't break down Silicone. Parchment doesnt seem to be anything to worry about. I scrape too (when I run out of PP lol), either way works.

Google "Silicone react with IPA"..

meangreengrowinmachine said:

huh Bubble first and then QWISO.... seems like a lot of work for something that is already fire as it is... but I may just have to try it!

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Ya, I just bubble to reduce starting material size. Don't trim. Just hang whole plant till its dry AF (outdoor grows). Don't care about cure or anything. Then bubble it all to separate the good from the bad. Then depending on quality further refine (QWISO, BHO) or just leave as is.

I prefer good bubble over anything, but if the bubble isn't good ill refine it into QWISO or something.