Michael Moore's Last Words: Capitalism Stinks

Anjinsan

Well-Known Member
Yeah, ignore the 'other' side and your arguments always win, right? Or maybe they'll just go away. What a troublesome concept these 'other' ideas pose...
Moore is a capitalist who makes money off of fleecing the left by feeding into their paranoia.

When I said he's giving the movie away for free then...I didn't actually believe that he was...he is Ann Coulter with a vastly inferior résumé/education.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
That makes no sense.

We HAVE a free market, and prices are out of control... but only the free market can accurately set prices? Using that logic, the "accurate" price is "out of control".

I think you have it backwards.

Did you know in Japan an MRI costs less than $100 compared to several thousand dollars here in the US?

Why is it so cheap there? Because the government said so. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Government sets prices, prices stay low.

Profiteering corporations set prices, prices climb higher and higher.
We don't have free markets. wake up. They are becoming less free each day. What do you think is going on? wow...

I'd curious as to what he would like to replace capitalism with.
Moorism. Everyone sends him their paychecks and he sees how well he can live off it. Not much different from his movie business.

I like Micheal Moore..... he is a great poster boy for all things "left" and "inane". Makes ppl realize how nutty that side truly is.
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
We don't have free markets. wake up. They are becoming less free each day. What do you think is going on? wow...

So tell me then, what did the government do today that made the market less "free"?

What did they do yesterday?

The day before?

I thought so.
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
Hmm, an MRI machine costs, what, a couple million dollars. Then tens of thousands in maintenance every year...I doubt that $100 a pop is covering the costs...so somebody is...who could it be?

Nobody is, really. They simply let their hospitals run on a deficit, since they aren't FOR PROFIT anyway.

The Japanese government's price-setting on MRI scans prompted the MRI manufacturers to produce more affordable machines. Guess what? They sell those more affordable machines to us, too.

Since an MRI is affordable in Japan, patients have more of them than we do here.

There are somewhere in the range of 127 million people in Japan.

If everyone gets 1 MRI each year and pays $100 for it, how much money is that?

About 12 billion dollars. Certainly nothing to sneeze at. Enough to buy about 6,000 NEW MRI machines, every year.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
So tell me then, what did the government do today that made the market less "free"?

What did they do yesterday?

The day before?

I thought so.
Guess you haven't heard of the doubling down on the debt. guess you haven't heard of the stimulus which failed.

Guess you haven't heard... huh.
 

Green Cross

Well-Known Member
So tell me then, what did the government do today that made the market less "free"?

What did they do yesterday?

The day before?

I thought so.
"Taxation without representation", but you would probably only realize that if you had an income :mrgreen:
 

Anjinsan

Well-Known Member
So tell me then, what did the government do today that made the market less "free"?

What did they do yesterday?

The day before?

I thought so.
How about not allowing you to get insurance from other states? Car insurance can be had from anywhere...why not health insurance? How about the bailout that gave money to failed banks which in turned used that money not to help consumers but to buy up their competition?
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
How about not allowing you to get insurance from other states? Car insurance can be had from anywhere...why not health insurance? How about the bailout that gave money to failed banks which in turned used that money not to help consumers but to buy up their competition?

None of those things happened today, or yesterday, or the day before - and they don't take any freedom away from the market, but I'll indulge you nonetheless.

Have you read the proposed health care bill? It will allow you to purchase insurance across state lines.

It's been almost a year since the TARP (The AssRape Program) was passed, and the passing of the TARP bill did NOT take any freedom out of the market. Mind you, we are talking about the HEALTH CARE market, not the stock market.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
The taxpayers..... it hasn't been actually taken in by the govt. Cancel the rest.....

No, I didn't mean hand out free money.... :lol: Nothing is free, especially if the govt. is involved....
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
"Taxation without representation", but you would probably only realize that if you had an income :mrgreen:

I have an income, but I don't really pay taxes. Sure, they take them out, but at the end of the year my "refund" is usually 4-5x what I paid in.

Can you vote? There's your representation, then.

Please don't tell me about taxation without representation. I can't vote, so I know exactly what people who throw this slogan around are talking about. Firsthand.
 

Anjinsan

Well-Known Member
None of those things happened today, or yesterday, or the day before - and they don't take any freedom away from the market, but I'll indulge you nonetheless.

Have you read the proposed health care bill? It will allow you to purchase insurance across state lines.

It's been almost a year since the TARP (The AssRape Program) was passed, and the passing of the TARP bill did NOT take any freedom out of the market. Mind you, we are talking about the HEALTH CARE market, not the stock market.
How does giving money to failed companies that in turn buy up smaller successful companies not smack you of anti-capitalism?

In capitalism...when you make stupid choices your business fails. It does not get money to eliminate more successful business'. It's a double whammy of anti-capitalism.

Why are we not talking about the auto insurance industry? Anyone complaining about lack of choices there? Anyone complaining of rates that are too high? No because the people have freedom of choice. That is not true with health insurance. Heath care is all about limitations. Those limitations were put there by the government.

That you will be possibly allowed to buy across state lines in the future was not part of the Obama plan. It was a Republican point in which Obama has conceded in order to get the big prize. Government control of health care. That is the objective.
 

Anjinsan

Well-Known Member
Listen the government sucks. I'm certain that you can see that. Maybe you prefer Obama to Bush...fine. That does not effect what I am about to tell you.

What if Obama is successful in getting the government to be in charge of the healthcare of at the VERY least 55 million people? What if the next President/congress are a bunch of people
that you HATE? I mean you really fucking hate their ideas completely and utterly. They now have control over your money...and your health. That sound "good"?
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
1. You can and do have the ability to buy insurance across state lines. Try this, look at who your insurance provider is, and look up where their main office is located. People like to bring this up as such a hard thing for insurance companies to get around, but the reason it is not brought up a lot by proponents of reform, is that currently it does not matter because most peoples insurance is from companies that are out of state.

2. I love capitalism, but that doesn't mean that

In capitalism...when you make stupid choices your business fails. It does not get money to eliminate more successful business'. It's a double whammy of anti-capitalism.
is true.

Because let's say I am a auto maker. And street cars start to become popular, that is not good for me, and may severly hurt my sales if I don't stop them now (Look at Europe which CJ likes to point out that usually has only 1 car per family). So I buy up the street car companies and all the patents that may hurt my business and shut it down.

So it does make money from destroying other successful businesses. And that hurts the economy of the country, because we now have less choice of transportation. Which means less choice, which means we pay more for less.
 

Anjinsan

Well-Known Member
1. You can and do have the ability to buy insurance across state lines. Try this, look at who your insurance provider is, and look up where their main office is located. People like to bring this up as such a hard thing for insurance companies to get around, but the reason it is not brought up a lot by proponents of reform, is that currently it does not matter because most peoples insurance is from companies that are out of state.

2. I love capitalism, but that doesn't mean that



is true.

Because let's say I am a auto maker. And street cars start to become popular, that is not good for me, and may severly hurt my sales if I don't stop them now (Look at Europe which CJ likes to point out that usually has only 1 car per family). So I buy up the street car companies and all the patents that may hurt my business and shut it down.

So it does make money from destroying other successful businesses. And that hurts the economy of the country, because we now have less choice of transportation. Which means less choice, which means we pay more for less.
Auto companies cannot do that. They cannot stop other countries companies from doing anything. The only way they can is if the government is willing to do it for them. It is not private companies that we need fear...it is always the government.

The government is willing to give unfair advantages to companies in exchange for a variety of things. It has happened repeatedly. Government intervention in capitalism is what's giving capitalism a bad name.
 

Phenom420

Well-Known Member
I have an income, but I don't really pay taxes. Sure, they take them out, but at the end of the year my "refund" is usually 4-5x what I paid in.

Can you vote? There's your representation, then.

Please don't tell me about taxation without representation. I can't vote, so I know exactly what people who throw this slogan around are talking about. Firsthand.
Can't vote, that must mean your a big ol felon.....right...
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
Listen the government sucks. I'm certain that you can see that. Maybe you prefer Obama to Bush...fine. That does not effect what I am about to tell you.

What if Obama is successful in getting the government to be in charge of the healthcare of at the VERY least 55 million people? What if the next President/congress are a bunch of people
that you HATE? I mean you really fucking hate their ideas completely and utterly. They now have control over your money...and your health. That sound "good"?

Obama has never proposed government control of health care. Ever. Single payer is not on the table, and never has been.

So where do you get this assumption that Obama wants to take over health care when he has never said anything of the sort, and has in fact said he DOES NOT want government control of health care.

Because you don't like him, everything he says is a lie?

There have been leaders I don't agree with, that doesn't automatically mean they are "out to get me". So while it wouldn't be "good", I wouldn't consider it the end of the world. After all, Presidential terms are relatively short in the grand scheme of things.
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
Can't vote, that must mean your a big ol felon.....right...

And your point? Possession of marijuana can be a felony, so before you start trying to imply that I'm somehow more of a criminal than any of you, take a look in the mirror. Should pot smokers all be barred from voting? :roll:
 

Phenom420

Well-Known Member
Obama has never proposed government control of health care. Ever. Single payer is not on the table, and never has been.

So where do you get this assumption that Obama wants to take over health care when he has never said anything of the sort, and has in fact said he DOES NOT want government control of health care.

Because you don't like him, everything he says is a lie?

There have been leaders I don't agree with, that doesn't automatically mean they are "out to get me". So while it wouldn't be "good", I wouldn't consider it the end of the world. After all, Presidential terms are relatively short in the grand scheme of things.
thank shit obamas will be short.:mrgreen:
 
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