looking for a hydro grower!

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
ya know what just fuck it, I should have known better than to leave the organic section, last time I did was god knows how long ago and it's all the same thing all over again! just forget about it!
This is in my opinion a bit of a shame. You have such a great opportunity to explore a different facet of the nature of our favorite plant.
But I completely understand not wanting to have e.g. my prejudices shaken. It's unpleasant, and I can avoid reality like a champ.
 

curious2garden

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ya know what just fuck it, I should have known better than to leave the organic section, last time I did was god knows how long ago and it's all the same thing all over again! just forget about it!
That's sad. This is precisely the spirited type of conversations we had professionally. I always learned something when challenged. There are so many ways to do things and to listen to others with a wealth of differing experience is mind enhancing.

If you simply want agreement that you are right then you should never leave your zone of comfort. But it's sad to see you had a great idea and decide not to carry it through because of others simply saying you need to do this yourself.
 

curious2garden

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This is in my opinion a bit of a shame. You have such a great opportunity to explore a different facet of the nature of our favorite plant.
But I completely understand not wanting to have e.g. my prejudices shaken. It's unpleasant, and I can avoid reality like a champ.
LOL pretty obvious our educations lay along a similar line. Love your prosody.
 

Thundercat

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ya know what just fuck it, I should have known better than to leave the organic section, last time I did was god knows how long ago and it's all the same thing all over again! just forget about it!
That's a really sad attitude. You have some great growers here trying to have a logical conversation with you and your fighting it because we aren't giving you exactly the answer your looking for. Between myself, C2G and Bear I believe your lookin at 20-30 years of growing experience.

We aren't shooting down your study we are trying to teach you how to do it right. Because doing it wrong won't prove anything to yourself or help your own opinions.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
That's a really sad attitude. You have some great growers here trying to have a logical conversation with you and your fighting it because we aren't giving you exactly the answer your looking for. Between myself, C2G and Bear I believe your lookin at 20-30 years of growing experience.

We aren't shooting down your study we are trying to teach you how to do it right. Because doing it wrong won't prove anything to yourself or help your own opinions.
Very well said; thank you
 

curious2garden

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When she said you guys were working on a nutrient my first thought was, are they a couple?
We are a team. He's an organic chemist and does all my distillation and extraction. I'm on a strain/pheno hunt for neuropathic pain control genetics. In medicine we have great pharmacological agents for somatic pain but literally nothing for neuropathic. Certain strains of cannabis, I postulate, can fix that.
That's a really sad attitude. You have some great growers here trying to have a logical conversation with you and your fighting it because we aren't giving you exactly the answer your looking for. Between myself, C2G and Bear I believe your lookin at 20-30 years of growing experience.

We aren't shooting down your study we are trying to teach you how to do it right. Because doing it wrong won't prove anything to yourself or help your own opinions.
Indeed he may have found his life's work. This is a fascinating subject that would greatly benefit from having this done, very nicely said.
 

Greenthumbs256

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That's sad. This is precisely the spirited type of conversations we had professionally. I always learned something when challenged. There are so many ways to do things and to listen to others with a wealth of differing experience is mind enhancing.

If you simply want agreement that you are right then you should never leave your zone of comfort. But it's sad to see you had a great idea and decide not to carry it through because of others simply saying you need to do this yourself.
I'm going to carry it through don't worry, just going to wait for a buddy to deal with his stuff, and handle it through him, I'm not trying to deal with all the, "who's gotta a bigger joint" lol, just want to see how this method measures up to hydro, never really thought it would beat hydro! and don't even plan to measure pretty veg, or flower! just wanted to see how far off the growth was once the sips running that's all! bc of of money, time, and the fact that I can leave my grow for weeks at a time, sometimes I have too! and no other method I've ever seen can not only survive but thrive for weeks at a time without anyone even seeing them! I'd never change my method, just wanted to know how far off it was that's all! dam sure not trying to get into a pissing contest! and don't want all the stress, and negativity that that showed up here in zero flat! I'm very happy with what I do! and every time I venture out of the normal threads I follow, I feel like I get gang raped for my opinions, so as I said. I'll just wait a few months on my buddy, and he will happily help me figure out the questions I'm looking for!

sorry to waste everyones time, good luck to you all!
 

Thundercat

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We are a team. He's an organic chemist and does all my distillation and extraction. I'm on a strain/pheno hunt for neuropathic pain control genetics. In medicine we have great pharmacological agents for somatic pain but literally nothing for neuropathic. Certain strains of cannabis, I postulate, can fix that.

Indeed he may have found his life's work. This is a fascinating subject that would greatly benefit from having this done, very nicely said.
I totally understand neuro pain. I had a brachial plexus injury back in 2012. The main pain killers they gave me didn't do shit for the nerve pain, and I didn't want I take gabbapetin or whatever its called. Cannabis helped so much! It got me off the pain meds with no issue and made the nerve pain manageable till it was finally gone thankfully.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I'm going to carry it through don't worry, just going to wait for a buddy to deal with his stuff, and handle it through him, I'm not trying to deal with all the, "who's gotta a bigger joint" lol, just want to see how this method measures up to hydro, never really thought it would beat hydro! and don't even plan to measure pretty veg, or flower! just wanted to see how far off the growth was once the sips running that's all! bc of of money, time, and the fact that I can leave my grow for weeks at a time, sometimes I have too! and no other method I've ever seen can not only survive but thrive for weeks at a time without anyone even seeing them! I'd never change my method, just wanted to know how far off it was that's all! dam sure not trying to get into a pissing contest! and don't want all the stress, and negativity that that showed up here in zero flat! I'm very happy with what I do! and every time I venture out of the normal threads I follow, I feel like I get gang raped for my opinions, so as I said. I'll just wait a few months on my buddy, and he will happily help me figure out the questions I'm looking for!

sorry to waste everyones time, good luck to you all!
You need to have one practitioner doing both grows. This is the only way you'll get meaningful data.

As for your feeling offended, if you reread the replies here with care, not one person here assailed you. It is a basic part of the scientific method that ideas go into Thunderdome. The weak ideas do not survive. Apprentice scientists a.k.a. grad students learned real fast to separate their feelings from their hypotheses. It becomes too emotionally wearing to take the murder of a favored but imperfect hypothesis as a personal attack.

I suggest you consider that our putting your ideas through the wringer as a service. This is how science advances, and having someone willing to say "Your hypothesis fails on points a, b, and c" and then articulates those points ... that is a service and, at a deep level, real kindness.

So I believe that you have the option of NOT being offended, and the option is legitimate.
 

Thundercat

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I'm going to carry it through don't worry, just going to wait for a buddy to deal with his stuff, and handle it through him, I'm not trying to deal with all the, "who's gotta a bigger joint" lol, just want to see how this method measures up to hydro, never really thought it would beat hydro! and don't even plan to measure pretty veg, or flower! just wanted to see how far off the growth was once the sips running that's all! bc of of money, time, and the fact that I can leave my grow for weeks at a time, sometimes I have too! and no other method I've ever seen can not only survive but thrive for weeks at a time without anyone even seeing them! I'd never change my method, just wanted to know how far off it was that's all! dam sure not trying to get into a pissing contest! and don't want all the stress, and negativity that that showed up here in zero flat! I'm very happy with what I do! and every time I venture out of the normal threads I follow, I feel like I get gang raped for my opinions, so as I said. I'll just wait a few months on my buddy, and he will happily help me figure out the questions I'm looking for!

sorry to waste everyones time, good luck to you all!
Lmao no one "gang raped" you. But if you opened your mind we did try to help you! You absolutely stated you wanted to prove that "your" system would be superior to hydro. Thanks for playing but your obviously just another troll with a closed mind to learning.

So please do take your shit attitude back to your private corner of solitude.

Edit: I've left my hydro system completely alone for 9-10 days when on vacation and came home to beautiful lush growth and zero issues. My res was very low but the plants were happy and healthy. Leaving for weeks at a time would only require a second res and a float valve to keep the main filled.
 
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curious2garden

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Staff member
I'm going to carry it through don't worry, just going to wait for a buddy to deal with his stuff, and handle it through him, I'm not trying to deal with all the, "who's gotta a bigger joint" lol, just want to see how this method measures up to hydro, never really thought it would beat hydro! and don't even plan to measure pretty veg, or flower! just wanted to see how far off the growth was once the sips running that's all! bc of of money, time, and the fact that I can leave my grow for weeks at a time, sometimes I have too! and no other method I've ever seen can not only survive but thrive for weeks at a time without anyone even seeing them! I'd never change my method, just wanted to know how far off it was that's all! dam sure not trying to get into a pissing contest! and don't want all the stress, and negativity that that showed up here in zero flat! I'm very happy with what I do! and every time I venture out of the normal threads I follow, I feel like I get gang raped for my opinions, so as I said. I'll just wait a few months on my buddy, and he will happily help me figure out the questions I'm looking for!

sorry to waste everyones time, good luck to you all!
In applying for NIH grants we had to have our study design researched or we stood a chance of losing the grant application. Our proposals had to go through our peers then to the bioethics committee as well as the statisticians. You got used to 'criticism' and finally welcomed it because it saved you time and effort. Nothing like embarking on a lifelong study and having someone save you 5 years of your life. This has been a respectful dialogue that was simply trying to help you see where you were going with this.

I don't think any of us 'gang raped' your opinions and I am sorry to see you took our pointing out apparent flaws as attacks. I don't believe any of us meant them that way.
 

Greenthumbs256

Well-Known Member
You need to have one practitioner doing both grows. This is the only way you'll get meaningful data.

As for your feeling offended, if you reread the replies here with care, not one person here assailed you. It is a basic part of the scientific method that ideas go into Thunderdome. The weak ideas do not survive. Apprentice scientists a.k.a. grad students learned real fast to separate their feelings from their hypotheses. It becomes too emotionally wearing to take the murder of an imperfect hypothesis as a personal attack.

I suggest you consider that our putting your ideas through the wringer is a service. This is how science advances, and having someone willing to say "Your hypothesis fails on points a, b, and c" and then articulates those points ... that is a service and, at a deep level, real kindness.

So I believe that you have the option of NOT being offended, and the option is legitimate.
that may be the case, I have a lot of other things going on, and I'm a tad stressed out right now. but like I said I'm not realy trying to compare methods, but rather just see how much faster the growth of a perfect hyrdo set up is compared to what I do, I know by the time I clone, and up pot 3 times most hydro guys are ready for flower when I'm just planting into the sip! I know this, but bc of my situation, and the ease and cheapness, I'm stuck with what I'm doing! unless I spends tons and tons to have fully automated systems and just stuff that may as well be a pipe dream!

I don't need fast growth bc of the way I'm doing things, I grow 1 plant and it covers a 4x4 space, well a lot more but each coveres a 4x4, by the time my girls are in a sip, and flowing cycle takes 64 days, it winds up being perfect! I was just Curious is all! but I'm poor, like very, I can't afford to run these test, I can't afford to go buy 30 bucks worth of nutrients right now! even if that's all I needed! I WA a just hoping to be able to compare has fast each grows through the middle of its life, to know how far off my method is, that's all man!

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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
that may be the case, I have a lot of other things going on, and I'm a tad stressed out right now. but like I said I'm not realy trying to compare methods, but rather just see how much faster the growth of a perfect hyrdo set up is compared to what I do, I know by the time I clone, and up pot 3 times most hydro guys are ready for flower when I'm just planting into the sip! I know this, but bc of my situation, and the ease and cheapness, I'm stuck with what I'm doing! unless I spends tons and tons to have fully automated systems and just stuff that may as well be a pipe dream!

I don't need fast growth bc of the way I'm doing things, I grow 1 plant and it covers a 4x4 space, well a lot more but each coveres a 4x4, by the time my girls are in a sip, and flowing cycle takes 64 days, it winds up being perfect! I was just Curious is all! but I'm poor, like very, I can't afford to run these test, I can't afford to go buy 30 bucks worth of nutrients right now! even if that's all I needed! I WA a just hoping to be able to compare has fast each grows through the middle of its life, to know how far off my method is, that's all man!

heres my latest baby, pic a Lil oldView attachment 4279853 View attachment 4279854
That is a beautiful plant.

As for the methods we are busily not comparing, you take the high road and I'll take the low road, and we'll have a pint at the end of it.
 
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