looking for a hydro grower!

curious2garden

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Greenthumbs256 said:
if I did that it wouldn't be fair, my sip pots would absolutely smash anything I tried to do! that's really why I'm trying to find a rather advanced hygro grower! since I don't know a dam thing about hydro, or nutes, or even pH for that matter! it wouldn't be a fair comparison! I get Tryin to do this thousands of miles away isn't ideal! but I'm really only looking to be able to compare growth rates from 2 of the same cuts, from x day until x day! actually wouldn't even start comparing until after a good month in! just bc I only care to measure difference between my sips, and hydro, and it take me a good month or more just to get it into a sip.

from what I've learned hydro is always faster than organics and until I stumbled across this method I'd have to agree! I really just wanna see how it measures up, the way I see it, if I can match or get even close to the growth rates, then to me it would make hydro obsolete! once u factor in the cost of hydro, the amount of work, the fact the organics taste better! the only real benifit I see to running hydro is faster growth, and maybe 1 or 2% on thc when testing it!
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You are making a lot of assumptions:

(1) Cost
(2) Work
(3) Taste
(4) THC %

You'd have to test out each of those because they are separate hypotheses. Further although you can objectively quantify cost, work and THC %, taste is far to subjective to test. I prefer my hydro over many others organic and I don't flush. For the most part if weed is grown well I can't tell the difference taste wise in a blind taste test and that's how you'd have to run it to avoid subject confirmation bias.

Great thoughts, I really encourage you to do this. You'll learn a lot about hydro and it's actually fascinating learning more about growing pot.
 
Greenthumbs256

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rkymtnman said:
buy a GH waterfarm kit off ebay. comes with everything you need: hydroton, nutes, air pump, etc.

i'd almost bet it would crush your soil grow.
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if I could afford it, then it would be a possibility, seeing as I'm worst than a budget grower that's never going to happen sadly!

curious2garden said:
You are making a lot of assumptions:

(1) Cost
(2) Work
(3) Taste
(4) THC %

You'd have to test out each of those because they are separate hypotheses. Further although you can objectively quantify cost, work and THC %, taste is far to subjective to test. I prefer my hydro over many others organic and I don't flush. For the most part if weed is grown well I can't tell the difference taste wise in a blind taste test and that's how you'd have to run it to avoid subject confirmation bias.

Great thoughts, I really encourage you to do this. You'll learn a lot about hydro and it's actually fascinating learning more about growing pot.
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and I get what u saying about tatse, that is subjective, and really all depends on the individual! but cost? man there's no comparison! just the equipment alone for hydro is ballpark of double of what it takes me to do this! that's not even including the nutrients and ph pens, and God knows what else you guys need!
 
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Greenthumbs256 said:
plus I feel I must mention, if we were to add up every year of growing experience, from everyone on this site past future and present, added all those years of experience together! it still wouldn't have shit on mother nature's experience! lol and that's exactly what this new method is! I make the perfect environment for life, then I sit back, and let it grow the plant! I don't feed I don't use nutrients! I really don't do a Dam thing, other than topping the rez with plain water and em1, around once every 2 weeks! and have I mentioned how cheap this is...
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That doesn't mean she's doing it right otherwise we wouldn't have conquered the plague, smallpox, tuberculosis et. al. We wouldn't have had 5 mass extinctions prior to the 6th we are living. Further how do you support the fact you grow an outdoor plant indoors under artificial light. It seems to me you are picking and choosing what is natural and what isn't.
 
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Greenthumbs256 said:
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and I get what u saying about tatse, that is subjective, and really all depends on the individual! but cost? man there's no comparison! just the equipment alone for hydro is ballpark of double of what it takes me to do this! that's not even including the nutrients and ph pens, and God knows what else you guys need!
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You can do the cost analysis yourself. I run in simple 2 gallon plastic pots. I would guess my pots are cheaper than yours. My nutrients are some of the least expensive around and currently @cannabineer and I are developing specific nutrients for the way I grow which will run even cheaper. So I'd postulate your and my nutrients costs are the same or possibly mine are a little less. Further I get a faster response rate in mine because I don't have to wait for a microherd to transform my nutrients for the plants uptake.

When I first purchased a pH pen and a TDS pen I paid 11.99 for one and 12.99 for the other. I'd assume we are push pull on our environmental systems.
 
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You also can't say I want to run a comparison test, and then say I don't want to start comparing until after a month because my plants havent reached the sip res yet. that first month is the part of the jumpstart that hydro would likely have.

Everything that Curious pointed out is also very important to consider. Your making lots of assumptions to "prove your method" is better. When we all grow differently for different reasons.

Doing these tests properly to gain knowledge and make comparisons is great. Doing it to stroke your ego won't prove anything. Doing the test in your rooms with your cuts is the only way to get any sort of accurate data. Trying out hydro might actually help you understand why so many I is do it. I haven't hauled or mixed soil in 11 years. The absolute hardest part of hydro for me is cleaning rocks every few months and that's still not a big deal.
 
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You also can't say I want to run a comparison test, and then say I don't want to start comparing until after a month because my plants havent reached the sip res yet. that first month is the part of the jumpstart that hydro would likely have.

Everything that Curious pointed out is also very important to consider. Your making lots of assumptions to "prove your method" is better. When we all grow differently for different reasons.

Doing these tests properly to gain knowledge and make comparisons is great. Doing it to stroke your ego won't prove anything. Doing the test in your rooms with your cuts is the only way to get any sort of accurate data. Trying out hydro might actually help you understand why so many I is do it. I haven't hauled or mixed soil in 11 years. The absolute hardest part of hydro for me is cleaning rocks every few months and that's still not a big deal.
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Very well said, the devil is always in the details. That is why in science and medicine (where I came from) we separate out variables insofar as we can in an in vivo experiment and run these things ourselves. Although we may have a hypothesis, our thinking, or our way, or the way it's always been done, until it has been run as an objective test with reduced variables and controls, we don't know.

Further that is why it has to be reproducible, especially in medicine because you can easily miss a variable, and when another group attempts to replicate your study you may find that you missed, or took for granted, something in your study design. Plants are almost as complex and multivariate as humans.

That's why I so abhor prohibition. This should be an open study. Currently all we can do is generalize other plant science, such as tomatoes, to our plant. That is like medicine only being allowed to do pig studies (although they have great heart valves), they aren't us.
 
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Unless your a moron that buys 20+ bottles of stuff you don't need then hydro doesn't cost that much and equipment lasts for years! I bought most of my equipment 10 years ago. I've had to replace my water pumps once or twice and I've bought some new grow rocks. Very low overhead for the amount of production I've had in that time.
 
Greenthumbs256

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curious2garden said:
You can do the cost analysis yourself. I run in simple 2 gallon plastic pots. I would guess my pots are cheaper than yours. My nutrients are some of the least expensive around and currently @cannabineer and I are developing specific nutrients for the way I grow which will run even cheaper. So I'd postulate your and my nutrients costs are the same or possibly mine are a little less. Further I get a faster response rate in mine because I don't have to wait for a microherd to transform my nutrients for the plants uptake.

When I first purchased a pH pen and a TDS pen I paid 11.99 for one and 12.99 for the other. I'd assume we are push pull on our environmental systems.
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but that's not hydro! I guess I should have been a tad more clear, I was meaning like dwc, and things like that. as I've said I don't know much about this side of growing, but I do know it can get costly! just a good reliable pH pen could run ya 50-100 bucks, that alone can cover my entire cycle!
 
Greenthumbs256

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Thundercat said:
You also can't say I want to run a comparison test, and then say I don't want to start comparing until after a month because my plants havent reached the sip res yet. that first month is the part of the jumpstart that hydro would likely have.

Everything that Curious pointed out is also very important to consider. Your making lots of assumptions to "prove your method" is better. When we all grow differently for different reasons.

Doing these tests properly to gain knowledge and make comparisons is great. Doing it to stroke your ego won't prove anything. Doing the test in your rooms with your cuts is the only way to get any sort of accurate data. Trying out hydro might actually help you understand why so many I is do it. I haven't hauled or mixed soil in 11 years. The absolute hardest part of hydro for me is cleaning rocks every few months and that's still not a big deal.
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it's not like that's as I've stated, I just want to compare growth rate, from the sips to the hydro! not worried about anything else! I know hydro would blow past growing in a 1g pot! and I don't care to compare cloning methods and stuff!

and yes I can start when ever I wish, bc like Ive said, I'm only looking to compare grow rates through about a month of veg! that's all!
 
cannabineer

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Greenthumbs256 said:
I'm trying to find someone that grows in hydro, and has one of the same cuts as I do! and that wouldn't mind running a comparison with me!

granted there would be some certain stipulations bc I am looking for a comparison on certain things! other major important thing, would be that this hydro grower, must have your stuff dialed in 100%

if anyone is interested let me know, and I'll share more info thanks guys!

also there isn't any prizes or any kind of competition, just trying to get a comparison for my own personal reasons! I wouldn't mind compensating someone something reasonable for the help! but keep in mind, I am on the poor side lol
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To me this sounds like "Organic is better and I am too lazy to do the hydro myself." This puts your putative collaborator into a double bind. On the taste test, for example, how will you each compare both samples? On the taste issue alone you could pre-declare your method as the winner. This is how this idea could turn into a very subjective and acrimonious sort of debate.

I have grown in soil and hydro both. They're different in terms of routine and reflex. In order to remove the double bind, one practitioner would need to take clones of the same plant and grow them in the same room/tent under a common light. Having two practitioners with two cultivars and two different sets of objective grow conditions is not the way to run this experiment. For me to participate, I would need much tighter controls on these and other variables. So I'm out.
 
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How is c2g grow not hydro? She grows in flow and drain just with coco in her pots I believe?

I use flood and drain with grow rocks, still hydro.

Dwc hydro also hydro.

Drain to waste, still hydro even though the plants don't sit in a bucket of water.

Aeroponics is all a variation of hydro....
 
Greenthumbs256

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and this isn't to prove anything, as I started off saying this is for personal reasons only! and for my own opinions! since I can't and have never grown in hydro, and prolly never will, I have no other way to know exactly what the growth rates are!
 
curious2garden

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Greenthumbs256 said:
but that's not hydro! I guess I should have been a tad more clear, I was meaning like dwc, and things like that. as I've said I don't know much about this side of growing, but I do know it can get costly! just a good reliable pH pen could run ya 50-100 bucks, that alone can cover my entire cycle!
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Yes it is. I've run NFT rails and I use the exact same nutrient mix as I do in Coco so how is it not hydro?
 
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ya know what just fuck it, I should have known better than to leave the organic section, last time I did was god knows how long ago and it's all the same thing all over again! just forget about it!
 
curious2garden

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Greenthumbs256 said:
and this isn't to prove anything, as I started off saying this is for personal reasons only! and for my own opinions! since I can't and have never grown in hydro, and prolly never will, I have no other way to know exactly what the growth rates are!
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Then you must do it yourself to answer your own question. I've done plenty of limited variable side by sides to figure things out over the years. Go for it. You'll gain so much from it! Learning another method provides flexibility and gives you information reading about it won't.
 
cannabineer

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Greenthumbs256 said:
but that's not hydro! I guess I should have been a tad more clear, I was meaning like dwc, and things like that. as I've said I don't know much about this side of growing, but I do know it can get costly! just a good reliable pH pen could run ya 50-100 bucks, that alone can cover my entire cycle!
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Hydroponics is defined as growing plants using liquid nutrient solution on a soilless substrate. Coco/perlite DTW meets that criterion solidly.
 
Thundercat

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Greenthumbs256 said:
it's not like that's as I've stated, I just want to compare growth rate, from the sips to the hydro! not worried about anything else! I know hydro would blow past growing in a 1g pot! and I don't care to compare cloning methods and stuff!

and yes I can start when ever I wish, bc like Ive said, I'm only looking to compare grow rates through about a month of veg! that's all!
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Ok if you want I compare a month of veg growth that's fine. Then you take 2 rooted clones and record their growth in big systems for a month. You do not say let's wait until a month into veg and then start comparing how they grow from that point. My plants do not veg for a month. My plants are already flowering by the time your roots are reaching your res.
 
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