Is Organics lacking? Bottles needed?

cannakis

cannakis

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Yodaweed said:
No, the website doesn't say super soil at all, says this

What is All·Mix®? All·Mix® is a heavily pre-fertilized soil mixture. It has been designed to emulate rich outdoor soil with a full micro active eco system, but in such a way that it has enough power to sustain lush plant growth for a couple of weeks with no extra fertilizer input required. All·Mix® creates fertile growing conditions throughout the year. All we have to do is provide a perfect environment to encourage the plants to flourish. - See more at: http://www.biobizz.com/products/organic-substrates/all-mix#sthash.AtQx6jnv.dpuf

a couple weeks, not a full grow, that is not super soil it isn't full amended .
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No it says under that "All·Mix® creates fertile growingconditions throughout the year.All we have to do is provide a perfect environment toencourage the plants to flourish."
Yodaweed said:
A properly balanced soil can start seedlings in it, if you started a seedling in that it would get scorched.

This is what proper soil looks like

http://buildasoil.com/collections/frontpage/products/living-organic-soil

You can start a seed in that and water the whole time to finish.

from build a soil website

"This soil mix will grow lush and healthy plants and serve as a complete soil with nutrients that can be used in a No-till Style system with back to back harvests. Tested better than every bagged product we could purchase locally. "
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Yeah And leave yellowing when flowering...

And it says all other Bagged soil so it is just running against ProMix and sunshine, all of which Need nutrients.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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cannakis said:
I didn't post any pictures and I'm talking about True Organics, Classical Husbandry as I call it, where the soil is amended beforehand and only water/rain is added.
Not saying yours doesn't look good, I'm just trying to achieve perfection with my plants.

Looks good but still I'm wanting darker fuller green...
What's your recipe? How long did you veg those from start?

Hahaha you're so cool bro...;)! I like to discuss with fellows and learn from others knowledge and experience yes, sadly I don't shop there like I should, supporting local business, I usually get everything online or from farm supply stores. You should check my other posts before you begin claiming my noobish ess; and yes I have Lots to learn always and wil always.
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Darker green does not mean healthy. For greasy deep green leaves you will be in N tox.

Yellow doesn't mean bad either. Plants naturally turn yellow, brown, red, purple, maroon, etc.

Indica's will tend to be darker in appearance. Some will be so green they are blue.

Sativa will tend to be lighter in color.






Organics and nature can't have it right. I mean plants have only been growing for millena. Humans are silly enough to think nature needs our help. If anything we have done nothing but take a giant crap on the earth.


Maybe explain what you think your plants are lacking.


They hydro guy said you need bottles to get the most out of the plant. Lol. He has a vested interest when he said that. He want to sell you more stuff.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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Olive Drab Green said:
Bottom line is, if you have "greasy dark green leaves" you are probably severely nitrogen toxic. I may have been misinformed about nitrogen needs, but they definitely don't need it in late flower when they are moving potassium and phosphorus to the flowers from the leaves. But the main point is deep, dark green isn't a good thing.
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Why do you say dark green leaves are not a good thing?
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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cannakis said:
Nope see the slight burn on your tips... And I'm talking greasy vibrant green. AND you Are using bottles nutrients, and massive conglomerate one at that.!
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Fussy, fussy!
That "slight burn" tells me he's right on it!

cannakis said:
Yes but I've seen a Lot better more Resinous plants.

And this is just wrong. Have you grown any garden crops? Tomatoes, corn, squash, watermelon, cabbage, etc NEED lots of light and Open space and sunshine to Truly grow to their fullest extent and they do Not grow smaller leaves because of it, the leaves and fruit are Always Much bigger and more vibrant in Full Sun.

So to say that more Light produces "smaller and lighter leaves" is wrong.

Perhaps More light induces photosynthesis more rapidly Hence depleting nutrients more quickly than with less light...!?
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Never mind. LET THE PISSING MATCH, BEGIN!
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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whitebb2727 said:
Darker green does not mean healthy. For greasy deep green leaves you will be in N tox.

Yellow doesn't mean bad either. Plants naturally turn yellow, brown, red, purple, maroon, etc.

Indica's will tend to be darker in appearance. Some will be so green they are blue.

Sativa will tend to be lighter in color.






Organics and nature can't have it right. I mean plants have only been growing for millena. Humans are silly enough to think nature needs our help. If anything we have done nothing but take a giant crap on the earth.


Maybe explain what you think your plants are lacking.


They hydro guy said you need bottles to get the most out of the plant. Lol. He has a vested interest when he said that. He want to sell you more stuff.
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Colors? Colors?

Ever seen the strain BANANA og? There are pheno's that ARE 90% yellow....Gave one to a friend and he had a fit with it...Called me up and said "Dude, I can't get this fucker to green much. Something wrong with it?" We had a good laugh when I explained.

Purple, Red, Orange, even black (so dark they look it!) plants......Gotta know what you got to get it right!
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Dr. Who said:
Colors? Colors?

Ever seen the strain BANANA og? There are pheno's that ARE 90% yellow....Gave one to a friend and he had a fit with it...Called me up and said "Dude, I can't get this fucker to green much. Something wrong with it?" We had a good laugh when I explained.

Purple, Red, Orange, even black (so dark they look it!) plants......Gotta know what you got to get it right!
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I bet I got upwards of 30 maybe more houseplants. I'll have to count one day.

Its good for developing a green thumb. All the different feeding rates and requirements.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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cannakis said:
I definitely do need to start a compost pile and worm bin!

I Just bought BioBizz starter pack...

I'm going to use this in Conjunction with my soil mix... Maybe mix ProMix 1:2 to my soil to cut down my shit and just use the nutrients...
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Natural growing methods produce buds that matches the genetic profile of the strain perfectly. Nature grows perfect buds- dumping plant food in an organic mix is like force feeding them. Then ya gotta flush them regularly to avoid buildup.
In a natural mix the plants use what they need as they need it as long as it's present in the mix itself. That's why water only works so well. The only bottle I ever use is organic liquid cal mag because it is difficult to provide soluble macros globally even though I add dry amendments that contain macros. RO & reclaimed water is my main source but I also collect rain which doesn't need the calmag added.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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whitebb2727 said:
That is pretty.

Some are dark green.

That looks, for my preference, a little hot on the N.

People like to push until burnt tips and back off a little.

Some plants won't show burnt tips before the N has negative effects on the plant.
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So your not saying that dark green will effect the end product? As in smoke? Mainly your saying in your experience that dark green leaves will cause plant health problems?
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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a mongo frog said:
So your not saying that dark green will effect the end product? As in smoke? Mainly your saying in your experience that dark green leaves will cause plant health problems?
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Yes and no.

Yes to the ones that have been really over fed with synthetics.

Everyone's pallette is different. I am more sensitive and prefer the taste of organic.

Dark green at the end doesn't mean bad smoke though. The color comes from chlorophyll and that will go away with a proper cure.

In my opinion, I get the best smoke from plants that are cut before lights on. The starches are in the roots. A slow even dry. Then a proper cure. At least a month if not two.
 
Thorhax

Thorhax

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Yodaweed said:
A properly balanced soil can start seedlings in it, if you started a seedling in that it would get scorched.

This is what proper soil looks like

http://buildasoil.com/collections/frontpage/products/living-organic-soil

You can start a seed in that and water the whole time to finish.

from build a soil website

"This soil mix will grow lush and healthy plants and serve as a complete soil with nutrients that can be used in a No-till Style system with back to back harvests. Tested better than every bagged product we could purchase locally. "
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that link is gold for no tillers who don't want to make there own soil. GOLD
 
kmog33

kmog33

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There is a lot of really inaccurate info in here. All strains are different hues of green, some stay dark green all the way through flower, others don't. Plants definitely do stay dark green outside in California. Indoor vs outdoor has nothing to do with how green your plants are. Some strains yellow regardless of how much n you give them, others don't. My system right now has a good example because I have a kosher cross that is super dark and has never been over 600ppm of balanced nutrient solution. No sign of tox or burn, and the other plants in the same res are lighter. Actually every strain in my tent is a different shade of green, none are tox or deficient.
dark green.
light green



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cannakis

cannakis

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a mongo frog said:
Like this dark late in flower? Cant be bad.
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See Finally someone has a Perfected plant. Can you show more like this? What's your recipe and regimen?
kmog33 said:
There is a lot of really inaccurate info in here. All strains are different hues of green, some stay dark green all the way through flower, others don't. Plants definitely do stay dark green outside in California. Indoor vs outdoor has nothing to do with how green your plants are. Some strains yellow regardless of how much n you give them, others don't. My system right now has a good example because I have a kosher cross that is super dark and has never been over 600ppm of balanced nutrient solution. No sign of tox or burn, and the other plants in the same res are lighter. Actually every strain in my tent is a different shade of green, none are tox or deficient.
dark green.
light green



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Yeah but see that's what I'm saying... The kosher needs less nutes because it's Indica, so I'm trying t be able to Accurately feed a heavy feeder that needs 1200ppm instead of 600 and prevent the yellowing.

Again Cannabis is a Vibrant Vehement Plant and Can grow and survive in Literally almost Every climate. BUT are you trying to grow Hemp, or Quality Resin? And if you're trying to grow Top Grade Quality Resin then I believe the plant needs to be fed and cultivated to perfection.

Kind of like the Brix meter or the Kirlian photography for measuring the properties of that plant/food. The ones that were grown to perfection in organic soil with all Loving and Tender care producing the highest results, when Yes you can just grow the same food but it won't have the Fullest potential it could.

So that's why I'm saying only water soil MAY BE lacking...
 
cannakis

cannakis

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Yodaweed said:
No, the website doesn't say super soil at all, says this

What is All·Mix®? All·Mix® is a heavily pre-fertilized soil mixture. It has been designed to emulate rich outdoor soil with a full micro active eco system, but in such a way that it has enough power to sustain lush plant growth for a couple of weeks with no extra fertilizer input required. All·Mix® creates fertile growing conditions throughout the year. All we have to do is provide a perfect environment to encourage the plants to flourish. - See more at: http://www.biobizz.com/products/organic-substrates/all-mix#sthash.AtQx6jnv.dpuf

a couple weeks, not a full grow, that is not super soil it isn't full amended .
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"Remove the top surface layer of soil from the pot or bed and discard it. This soil may contain insect eggs or larvae. Even if you are certain it is free of eggs or larvae, it is best to be on the safe side. I

If you intend to reuse the soil, prune the plant leaving just a small stalk and the roots in the soil. Then pull up the stem up and remove the roots completely.

Sift through the soil with your fingers or a hand fork and remove as many of the old roots as possible. Leaving a few behind is not a problem, however larger root mass will use more of the soil’s energy for decomposition.

Add fresh Pre·Mix™ (5%) and Worm·Humus™ (10%), then moisten and leave in a warm place for at least a week.

- See more at: http://www.biobizz.com/tips-tricks-2#sthash.xAWZKjHr.dpuf "

That was from their site... Their Allmix Is a super soil that's why they Sell their Premix which is all the amendments premixed and you add that and their worm humus. Hmm sounds a Lot like recycling soil.

Again Not saying Only water can't be done. I'm saying to achieve Optimal results Extra Liquid nutrients need to be added. Whether it's homemade Teas or industry produced nutes.

Alan with Probiotics and grows for Gage Green I believe, uses All organic but goes Heavy on his tea creations providing Even more nutes. themodern.farm says the same thing. And even they say to buy their GroKashi or thus and that.
 
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cannakis

cannakis

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Alan Adkisson great video very informative. One day I hope to give his a go... But until then...

And http://themodern.farm is great information too and basically provides Alans recipe for GroKashi as well as his soil recipe and bite regimen. And that's something else that gives me great respect for him is that he Shares his recipe with others. I need to buy some GroKashi actually now that I'm talking!

And honestly if you look at their 10 week bloom schedule on modern methods, Every week they are adding a top dress and giving a heavy feeding of teas and sprays... I think I'll stick with premade bottles for now, and later on with more time and money I can focus on intense top dressing and tea making.
 
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