Is Organics lacking? Bottles needed?
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greasemonkeymann
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but you make it that way man.
it really is SO easy..
just make the soil the correct way the first time, get a compost pile, get a wormbin
Done.
Olive Drab Green
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Bottom line is, if you have "greasy dark green leaves" you are probably severely nitrogen toxic. I may have been misinformed about nitrogen needs, but they definitely don't need it in late flower when they are moving potassium and phosphorus to the flowers from the leaves. But the main point is deep, dark green isn't a good thing.
greasemonkeymann
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don't sweat it man, a LOT of people schooled on hydro or chem grows think that cannabis needs like a 15/20/20 during vege and like a 0-30-40 for flower.
it's ridiculous
it is common for growers to think that nitrogen isn't needed during flower.
in fact when you really weigh out what the plant really needs, it may need more nitrogen during flower than P and K simply because it's the macro that the plant needs most anyhow.
ANYTHING green on your plant will need nitrogen. so if you have a sativa that stretches and foxtails?
and you deny it nitrogen?
you fuck yourself out of a LOT of yield, and it'll never tell you via def
indicas too, all that bud material is powered with nitrogen
Yodaweed
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You are so right bro look at this crap they advise you to use for hydroponics during late flower
http://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-KoolBloom-Gardening-Pounds/dp/B001IA1OU6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460494214&sr=8-1&keywords=dry+koolbloom
2-45-28, can you say overkill?
I prefer my plants to yellow, it makes them taste better, when they are dark green like that you got too much chlorophyll in your plant.
greasemonkeymann
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if you wanted dark green plants, it's VERY easy to do, go get two cfl bulbs, and grow them outside in a shed, in the winter.
low temps + low lights? and you'll damn near have purple leaves.
anytime you see an outdoor grow from Alaska, or Canada or what not, they are deep dark colored..
low temps + low lights? and you'll damn near have purple leaves.
anytime you see an outdoor grow from Alaska, or Canada or what not, they are deep dark colored..
Olive Drab Green
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Makes sense.
Olive Drab Green
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I don't deny it nitrogen anyway. My organics are 3-4-2 plus molasses, whatever that might be.
Midwest Weedist
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Every plant that I've let drop most of its leaves by harvest are noticeably more sweet tasting than if I hadn't and supplemented more N, etc. Which isn't to say the goal is an N deficient lady, quite the opposite, rather I see it as mimicking how nature would do it in fall
Richard Drysift
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Yes...this....ya need fresh compost- it's what drives everything in organic soil & what most noobs are lacking. Don't worry about a few yellow leaves- the plant stops taking food in the final weeks of ripening
cannakis
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I definitely do need to start a compost pile and worm bin!
I Just bought BioBizz starter pack...
I'm going to use this in Conjunction with my soil mix... Maybe mix ProMix 1:2 to my soil to cut down my shit and just use the nutrients...
Yodaweed
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You are just paying the hydro store guy more than you need to, those bottle nutrients are crap, seems like you don't really want to do organics and you just came on here to trash talk.
cannakis
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http://www.biobizz.com/uploads/bestanden/bd3f80e7-f447-49dc-baa9-cd25c0484139
Yeah I think this is going to be good. They have an Allmix and Lightmix and the Allmix is basically premade super soil, and light is just basic soil; they say to add like 1ml for all mix while 2ml for light.
And the hydro store guy said Yes I can get results from Just soil, but if I Really want best results then I need to Push the girls to their limit...
So I'll be cutting my soil with ProMix and using BioBizz line. Still amending my soil after a few runs.
Yeah I think this is going to be good. They have an Allmix and Lightmix and the Allmix is basically premade super soil, and light is just basic soil; they say to add like 1ml for all mix while 2ml for light.
And the hydro store guy said Yes I can get results from Just soil, but if I Really want best results then I need to Push the girls to their limit...
So I'll be cutting my soil with ProMix and using BioBizz line. Still amending my soil after a few runs.
Yodaweed
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That's such a bs lie to sell you products. Those products are not super soil, nor are they intented to be.
cannakis
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Hahaha yeah right look at my old posts. I'm the one trying to get people to look outside the box, try and make their Own soil withOut buying peat moss and pearlite and other stuff that Can be replaced with Locally sourced materials.
I'm just at the point of trying to reach Perfection instead of mediocre bud. Not that my bud was mediocre because my buds all said it is the best they have had.
But I know something is lacking when there is burning going on... Bernie Soldiers...!!! Haha just kidding vote Constitutionists!
Yodaweed
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Bottled nutrients aren't locally sourced they are made in a lab, it must be hard to be that clueless.
cannakis
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AllMix is supposed to be super soil. Light mix is regular soil.
He didn't say a word about these products I found them on BioBizzs site.
Read my old threads. I was calling people out for purchasing Mycos and Kelp and Alfalfa etc because you can Produce All these locally... Most at least.
I was getting people to try to use local manure and Forest mould and clay and sand and oyster shells etc
All of which could be found for Free locally.
I'm just done with Idealism and want to produce the highest best quality. THEN I can experiment more.
Yodaweed
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No, the website doesn't say super soil at all, says this
What is All·Mix®? All·Mix® is a heavily pre-fertilized soil mixture. It has been designed to emulate rich outdoor soil with a full micro active eco system, but in such a way that it has enough power to sustain lush plant growth for a couple of weeks with no extra fertilizer input required. All·Mix® creates fertile growing conditions throughout the year. All we have to do is provide a perfect environment to encourage the plants to flourish. - See more at: http://www.biobizz.com/products/organic-substrates/all-mix#sthash.AtQx6jnv.dpuf
a couple weeks, not a full grow, that is not super soil it isn't full amended .
Yodaweed
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A properly balanced soil can start seedlings in it, if you started a seedling in that it would get scorched.
This is what proper soil looks like
http://buildasoil.com/collections/frontpage/products/living-organic-soil
You can start a seed in that and water the whole time to finish.
from build a soil website
"This soil mix will grow lush and healthy plants and serve as a complete soil with nutrients that can be used in a No-till Style system with back to back harvests. Tested better than every bagged product we could purchase locally. "
This is what proper soil looks like
http://buildasoil.com/collections/frontpage/products/living-organic-soil
You can start a seed in that and water the whole time to finish.
from build a soil website
"This soil mix will grow lush and healthy plants and serve as a complete soil with nutrients that can be used in a No-till Style system with back to back harvests. Tested better than every bagged product we could purchase locally. "
cannakis
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Yes but I've seen a Lot better more Resinous plants.
And this is just wrong. Have you grown any garden crops? Tomatoes, corn, squash, watermelon, cabbage, etc NEED lots of light and Open space and sunshine to Truly grow to their fullest extent and they do Not grow smaller leaves because of it, the leaves and fruit are Always Much bigger and more vibrant in Full Sun.
So to say that more Light produces "smaller and lighter leaves" is wrong.
Perhaps More light induces photosynthesis more rapidly Hence depleting nutrients more quickly than with less light...!?