Iran Update...

Woomeister

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Yes, that first part is 100% correct. the percentages of ships being searched before port is miniscule .... what makes you think otherwise? Wishful thinking? You seem to do a lot of that. :lol:

9/11 happened because Clinton depleted the CIA both in spirit and infrastructure. 9/11 happened because CLINTON INSISTED on treating the World Trade Tower bombing as a criminal act and not an act of terrorism. Handing the case over to the NYPD was a HUGE mistake which eventually brought down the towers. How inept is a Govt. when it is given a complete second chance and then ignores the opportunity. The answer.... completely inept.

Israel is not the reason for 9/11. It is the acceptance of terrorism as a tactic, instead of what it truly is...an act of barbarism. You have accepted it as a tactic...I do not.

Israel is tolerant of its neighbors and has always been. the intolerance does not spring from their homeland......any fourth grader who even gives a cursory review of middle east history can see that.....unless of course they are blinded by their OWN prejudices.

By the way you prefer to sit on your hands and hope Iran plays nice once they get the bomb..... oh my.... again with the wishful thinking. You should head to washington D.C. I hear that's all the rage now.


out. :blsmoke:
I suppose Israel was being tolerant to Egypt and Syria when they were at war, lebanon? Palestine? TOLERANT????? Having studied the Arab-Israel conflict I can quite categorically say that Israel Is not tolerant to its neighbours and suffers from the same paranoia that Americans like you suffer from. The same paranoia that will start another large scale war in the near future.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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I suppose Israel was being tolerant to Egypt and Syria when they were at war, lebanon? Palestine? TOLERANT????? Having studied the Arab-Israel conflict I can quite categorically say that Israel Is not tolerant to its neighbours and suffers from the same paranoia that Americans like you suffer from. The same paranoia that will start another large scale war in the near future.
Let us examine this crazy statement.

1. Of course Israel is paranoid, because they have routinely been attacked by their "neighbors" ever since they were created.

2. Their "Neighbors" are openly saying that they want to drop nukes on the country, and that all the Israelis should be pushed into the ocean. Now, if you had neighbors, and they were saying that your house should be bombed, and that you should be killed, wouldn't you be a little paranoid?

Now, if these same neighbors had forcefully attempted to take your house from you. Would you be "friendly" with these "neighbors."
 

Woomeister

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My statement is factual, not crazy. Having lived next to a country that bombed my country using terrorism for 20 years I do know what its like. You have an attrocity happen and the whole world is at war. The IRA proved that you cant beat terrorism, If Israel hadnt continually blockaded the trade routes into Gaza then the latest 'war' would never have happened as Hamas wouldnt have felt it quite so necessary to have the worlds cameras pointing at them.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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My statement is factual, not crazy. Having lived next to a country that bombed my country using terrorism for 20 years I do know what its like. You have an attrocity happen and the whole world is at war. The IRA proved that you cant beat terrorism, If Israel hadnt continually blockaded the trade routes into Gaza then the latest 'war' would never have happened as Hamas wouldnt have felt it quite so necessary to have the worlds cameras pointing at them.
And why were the trade routes still blockaded?

Because Hamas failed to act like the government it routinely claims to be, and ensure that there were no mortar shells or rockets from Palestine entering Israel, and thus it failed to live up to its side of the bargain that would have lead to a re-opening of the trade routes.

If Hamas is a government then it needs to ensure that it is capable of enforcing treaties that it agrees to.
 

Woomeister

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And why were the trade routes still blockaded?

Because Hamas failed to act like the government it routinely claims to be, and ensure that there were no mortar shells or rockets from Palestine entering Israel, and thus it failed to live up to its side of the bargain that would have lead to a re-opening of the trade routes.

If Hamas is a government then it needs to ensure that it is capable of enforcing treaties that it agrees to.
Coming from a country who was led by a warmonger for the last 8 years thats so funny!!!
 

Woomeister

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Alas, we have a stereo-typing asshole
I think you will find that its called 'irony' but then Americans dont understand it do they (damn I was being stereotypical then!) I wasnt tarring you with any brush, simply stating that the US isnt exactly whiter than white, so as for siding with Israel over Hamas thats up to you. My best friend is 1/2 Israeli and agrees with me.
 

sandmonkey

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Fuck getting involved, and fuck Israel. I would much rather see Israel go than Iran. And I mean completely gone.

Disflamer: This has nothing to do with the Jewish religion.
+1

people seem to confuse the Jewish faith with the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

 

CrackerJax

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I suppose Israel was being tolerant to Egypt and Syria when they were at war, lebanon? Palestine? TOLERANT????? Having studied the Arab-Israel conflict I can quite categorically say that Israel Is not tolerant to its neighbours and suffers from the same paranoia that Americans like you suffer from. The same paranoia that will start another large scale war in the near future.


While Israel did attack.....Egypt provoked the attacks


The 1956 Suez War
From 1955 to 1956, Egypt took an increasingly hostile attitude towards Israel. Hundreds of Israelis were killed in Fedayeen attacks from the Egyptian occupied Gaza Strip into Israeli territory.

Then, in 1956, Egypt blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, assumed national control of the Suez canal, and blocked it to Israeli shipping -- both threatening the young State of Israel and violating the Suez Canal Convention of 1888. France and the United Kingdom supported Israel in its determination that the canal should remain open to all nations as per the Convention.

On October 29, 1956, Israel invaded the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula initiating the 1956 Suez War. International pressure led by the United States forced Israeli withdrawal, first from the Sinai, and eventually from Gaza, but Israel was guaranteed freedom of access to the Red Sea and the Suez Canal and action to end attacks from Gaza.

Six Day War
On June 5, 1967, in an overheated political atmosphere, weeks after Egypt blockaded the Straits of Tiran and cut off Israeli shipping, Israel launched a preemptive attack against Egypt, beginning the Six Day War. It rapidly defeated the surrounding Arab states and took control of, among other areas, the Gaza Strip. International pressure mounted on Israel to withdraw from the territories. On November 22, 1967, the UN Security Council adopted UN Security Council Resolution 242, the "land for peace" formula, which called for Israeli withdrawal from territories it captured in 1967 in return for peace with its Arab neighbors.

So you are correct in that Israel did attack...... BUT you were also wrong ..... Egypt was NOT just looking for peace. Egypt provoked these attacks by violating International Treaties and conducting raids / killing Israelis

Keep studying!!!

out. :blsmoke:
 

MrJDGaF

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The acts of a "peaceful" nation/people?...
Israeli Attack on U.S. Navy Ship Led to Cover-Up

By Admiral Thomas Moorer

After State Department officials and historians assembled in Washington, DC, last week to discuss the 1967 war in the Middle East, I am compelled to speak out about one of U.S. history’s most shocking cover-ups.
On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked our proud naval ship—the USS Liberty—killing 34 American servicemen and wounding 172. Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own government.
U.S. military rescue aircraft were recalled, not once, but twice, through direct intervention by the Johnson administration. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara’s cancellation of the Navy’s attempt to rescue the Liberty, which I personally confirmed from the commanders of the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, was the most disgraceful act I witnessed in my entire military career.
To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel’s attack on this American ship. No official investigation of Israel’s attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crew members.
A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its senior attorney [see box on following page]. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit, recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House to cover up the incident and find that Israel’s attack was “a case of mistaken identity.”
Some distinguished colleagues and I formed an independent commission to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty. After an exhaustive review of previous reports, naval and other military records, including eyewitness testimony from survivors, we recently presented our findings on Capitol Hill. They include:

  • Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, flying an American flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on its bow.
Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.

  • Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty’s radio operators from sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio channels.
  • Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most seriously wounded.
As a result, our commission concluded that:

  • There is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.
  • In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States.
  • The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.
  • The truth continues to be concealed to the present day in what can only be termed a national disgrace.
What was Israel’s motive in launching this attack? Congress must address this question with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services.
The men of the USS Liberty represented the United States. They were attacked for two hours, causing 70 percent American casualties, and the eventual loss of our best intelligence ship.
These sailors and Marines were entitled to our best defense. We gave them no defense.
Did our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own? If so, why? Does our government continue to subordinate American interests to Israeli interests? These are important questions that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government.
The American people deserve to know the truth about this attack. We must finally shed some light on one of the blackest pages in American naval history. It is a duty we owe not only to the brave men of the USS Liberty, but to every man and woman who is asked to wear the uniform of the United States.
Admiral Thomas Moorer, now retired, was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1970 to 1974. He is joined in the independent commission of inquiry by Gen. Ray Davis (recently deceased); Rear Adm. Merlin Staring, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Ambassador James Akins. This article is reprinted with permission from the Jan. 11 Houston Chronicle.
From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away from it like one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to their congregants and to the general public. Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism. They publicly expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and that its effects on the Jewish religion would be nothing other than destructive. Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole and would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the rabbis.
We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study and practice the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels of holiness difficult to attain outside of the Holy Land. We abused the privilege and we were expelled. That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival, "Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" - "Because of our sins we were expelled from our land".
We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be loyal citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour, not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; "not to leave exile ahead of time." On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of exile. To violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be made prey as the deer and the antelope in the forest," and the redemption will be delayed.
(Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).

To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is against the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete repentance will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to complete repentance. At that time there will be universal peace.
All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era predicted great hardship to befall humanity generally and the Jewish People particularly, as a result of Zionism. To be a Jew means that either one is born to a Jewish mother or converts to the religion with the condition that he or she make no reservations with regard to Jewish Law. Unfortunately there are many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to the duties of a Jew. Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases they lacked a Jewish education and upbringing. But there are those who deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition to suit their personal needs.

It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the ability to make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a religion. Especially matters in which that person has no qualification. It follows then that those individuals who "decided" that Judaism is a nationality are to be ignored and even criticized. It is no secret that the founders of Zionism had never studied Jewish Law nor did they express interest in our holy tradition. They openly defied Rabbinical authority and self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Jewish "nation". In Jewish history, actions like those have always spelled disaster. To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to introduce "amendment" or "innovation" without first consulting with those officially appointed as Jewish spiritual leaders is the ideal equation to equal catastrophe. One can not just decide to "modernize" ancient traditions or regulations. The spiritual leaders of contemporary Judaism better known as Orthodox rabbis have received ordination to judge and interpret matters pertaining to the Jewish faith. These rabbis have received their rights and responsibilities and form a link in the unbroken chain of the Jewish tradition dating all the way back to Moses who received the Torah from Almighty G-d Himself. It was these very rabbis who, at the time of the formation of the Zionist movement, foresaw the pernicious outcome that was without a doubt lined up.
Grand Rebbe Teitelbaum, zt'l​
It was a man possessing outstanding Judaic genius, and a level of uncontested holiness who enunciated the Jewish stance regarding Zionism. This charismatic individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, did not mince any words. Straight to the point he called Zionism "the work of Satan", "a sacrilege" and "a blasphemy". He forbade any participation with anything even remotely associated with Zionism and said that Zionism was bound to call the wrath of G-d upon His people. He maintained this stance with unwavering bravery from the onset of Zionism whilst he was still in Hungary up until his death in New York where he lead a congregation numbering in the hundreds of thousands. Grand Rabbi Teitelbaum, scion to a legacy of holy mystics and Hassidic Masters unfortunately had his prediction fulfilled. We lost more than six million of our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters in a very horrible manner. This, more than six million holy people had to experience as punishment for the Zionist stupidity. The Holocaust, he wept, was a direct result of Zionism, a punishment from G-d.
IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.
Auschwitz​
But it doesn't end there. It wasn't enough for the Zionist leaders to have aroused the wrath of G-d. They made a point of displaying abysmal contempt for their Jewish brothers and sisters by actively participating in their extermination. Just the idea alone of Zionism, which the rabbis had informed them would cause havoc, was not enough for them. They made an effort to pour fuel on an already burning flame. They had to incite the Angel of Death, Adolf Hitler. They took the liberty of telling the world that they represented World Jewry. Who appointed these individuals as leaders of the Jewish People?? It is no secret that these so-called "leaders" were ignoramuses when it came to Judaism. Atheists and racists too. These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. Genocide began, but these people, if they can really be classified as members of the human race, sat back.
"No Shame"

President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews.
[Source]
On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United Jewish Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded on the Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded with... old people or with undesirables."
[Source]
It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!
In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its readiness to find temporary refuge for endagered persons. The British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. This motion received within two weeks a total of 277 Parliamentary signatures. On Jan. 27, when the next steps were being pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because Palestine was ommitted.
[Source]
On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in the New York papers.
Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of the Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. 18 1943 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money out of the United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! and I say again, NO!...one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance."
On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of the American Jewish Congress and leader of the American Zionists issued a public refusal to this offer and declared no collection of funds would seem justified.
In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise testifying before a special committeeof Congress objected to this proposal.
[Source]
During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.
In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately grant entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill was not passed after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist leadership.
[Source]
These facts are read with consternation and unbearable shame. How can it be explained that at a time during the last phase of the war, when the Nazis were willing to barter Jews for money, partly because of their desires to establish contact with the Western powers which, they believed, were under Jewish influence, how was it possible one asks that the self-proclaimed "Jewish leaders" did not move heaven and earth to save the last remnant of their brothers?
On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration was asked in the Canadian House of Commons "would he open the doors of Canada to Jewish refugees". He replied "the government has made no progress in that direction because the government of Israel....does not wish us to do so".
[Source]
In 1972, the Zionist leadership successfully opposed an effort in the United States Congress to allow 20,000-30,000 Russian refugees to enter the United States.
Jewish relief organizations, Joint and HIAS, were being pressured to abandon these refugees in Vienna, Rome and other Europiean cities.
[Source]
The pattern is clear!!! Humanitarian rescue efforts are subverted to narrow Zionist interests.
There were many more shocking crimes committed by these abject degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", we could list many more example, but for the time being let anyone produce a valid excuse for the above facts.
Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.

  1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths (see Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).
  2. Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and otherwise, to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death.
  3. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.
Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler

It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime.

Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity". Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
This remarkable proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of Germany" is worth quoting at some length:
"The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that:

  1. Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO.
  2. Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry.
  3. The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.
"On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.
"This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed.
"The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.
"The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England".

(Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58.

Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).


On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interests.
This is just one example of the Zionist movements' collaboration with Hitler for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a minute piece of earth, Palestine.
And to top it all up, brainwashing!

How far this unbelievable Zionist conspiracy has captured the Jewish masses, and how impossible it is for any different thought to penetrate their minds, even to the point of mere evaluation, can be seen in the vehemence of the reaction to any reproach. With blinded eyes and closed ears, any voice raised in protest and accusation is immediately suppressed and deafened by the thousandfold cry: "Traitor," "Enemy of the Jewish People."
Source for paragraphs marked "[Source]":
The Wall Street Journal December 2, 1976
From The Times
July 20, 2006
British anger at terror celebration

The commemoration of Israeli bombings that killing 92 people has caused offence





By Ned Parker and Stephen Farrell

The rightwingers, including Binyamin Netanyahu, the former Prime Minister, are commemorating the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of British rule, that killed 92 people and helped to drive the British from Palestine.
They have erected a plaque outside the restored building, and are holding a two-day seminar with speeches and a tour of the hotel by one of the Jewish resistance fighters involved in the attack.
Simon McDonald, the British Ambassador in Tel Aviv, and John Jenkins, the Consul-General in Jerusalem, have written to the municipality, stating: “We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated.”
In particular they demanded the removal of the plaque that pays tribute to the Irgun, the Jewish resistance branch headed by Menachem Begin, the future Prime Minister, which carried out the attack on July 22, 1946.
The plaque presents as fact the Irgun’s claim that people died because the British ignored warning calls. “For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated,” it states.
Mr McDonald and Dr Jenkins denied that the British had been warned, adding that even if they had “this does not absolve those who planted the bomb from responsibility for the deaths”. On Monday city officials agreed to remove the language deemed offensive from the blue sign hanging on the hotel’s gates, though that had not been done shortly before it was unveiled last night.
The controversy over the plaque and the two-day celebration of the bombing, sponsored by Irgun veterans and the right-wing Menachem Begin Heritage Centre, goes to the heart of the debate over the use of political violence in the Middle East. Yesterday Mr Netanyahu argued in a speech celebrating the attack that the Irgun were governed by morals, unlike fighters from groups such as Hamas.
“It’s very important to make the distinction between terror groups and freedom fighters, and between terror action and legitimate military action,” he said. “Imagine that Hamas or Hezbollah would call the military headquarters in Tel Aviv and say, ‘We have placed a bomb and we are asking you to evacuate the area’.”
But the view of the attack was very different in 1946 when The Times branded the Irgun “terrorists in disguise”. Decades later, Irgun veterans are unrepentant. Sarah Agassi, 80, remembers spying in the King David Hotel.
She and a fellow agent posed as a couple. They danced tangos and waltzes, sipped whisky and wine while they cased out the hotel.
On the day her brother and his fellow fighters posed as Arabs delivering milk and brought seven milk churns, each containing 50kg of explosives, into the building. Ms Agassi waited across the street until her brother rushed out. She said that she then made the warning call to the British command in the hotel.
Sitting in the luxurious hotel lobby, she expressed no regret. “We fought for our independence. We thought it was the right way . . . If I had to fight for Israel, I swear even now I would do anything.”
TWO VERSIONS
The original wording:
The Hotel housed the Mandate Secretariat as well as the Army Headquarters. On July 1946 (sic) Irgun fighters at the order of the Hebrew Resistance Movement planted explosives in the basement. Warning phone calls had been made urging the hotel’s occupants to leave immediately. For reasons known only to the British the hotel was not evacuated and after 25 minutes the bombs exploded, and to the Irgun’s regret and dismay 91 persons were killed.
The amended version
. . .Warning phone calls had been made to the hotel, the Palestine Post and the French Consulate, urging the hotel’s occupants to leave immediately.
The hotel was not evacuated, and after 25 minutes the bombs exploded. The entire western wing was destroyed, and to the Irgun’s regret 92 persons were killed.
So the Zionists believe that a phone call could have transformed 9/11 from a terrorist atrocity into a legitimate act of freedom fighters! Following that line of thought, they must of viewed the IRA and UDF as freedom fighters too!:wall:
 

MrJDGaF

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And they complain about Hamas using homes,schools and mosques as arms dumps...

July 31, 1946, Tel Aviv. A large cache of weapons, extensive counterfeiting equipment and $1,000,000 in counterfeit Government bonds were discovered in Tel Aviv's largest synagogue.

August 2, 1946, Tel Aviv. British military authorities ended the curfew in Tel Aviv after detaining 500 persons for further questioning. A second arms dump was discovered on July 1 in a school building.

August 30, 1946, Palestine. British military units discovered arms and munitions dumps in the Jewish farming villages of Dorot and Ruhama.

August 4, 1947, Palestine. British troops blew up a Jewish house in a Jerusalem suburb in which arms were found. Jewish terrorists robbed Barclays' Bank in Tel Aviv of $5200 and a Haganah member was killed.

Not to mention the despicable use of children in terrorist attacks...

April 25, 1946, Palestine. Jewish terrorists attacked a British military installation near Tel Aviv. This group, which contained a number of young girls, had as its goal the capture of British weapons. British authorities rounded up 1,200 suspects.

August 29, 1946,, Jerusalem. The British Government announced the commutation to life imprisonment of the death sentences imposed on 18 Jewish youths convicted of bombing the Haifa railroad shops.

And of course targeting civilians...

September 14, 1946, Jaffa. Jewish terrorists robbed three banks in Jaffa and Tel Aviv, killing three Arabs. Thirty-six Jews were arrested.

October 2, 1946, Tel Aviv. British military units and police seized 50 Jews in a Tel Aviv cafe after a Jewish home was blown up. This home belonged to a Jewish woman who had refused to pay extortion money to the Irgun terrorist gang.

October 31, 1946, Rome. The British Embassy in Rome was damaged by a bomb, believed to have been planted by Jewish terrorists.

January 2, 1947, Palestine. A wave of terror swept Palestine as Jewish terrorists staged bombings and machine gun attacks in five cities. Casualties were low. Homemade flame-throwers were used in several cases. Pamphlets seized warned that the Irgun had again declared war against the British and Arabs of Palestine.

March 10, 1947, Haifa. A Jew, suspected of being an informer, was murdered by Jewish terrorists.

March 18, 1947, Palestine. Terrorist leaflets admitted the murder of Michael Shnell on Mount Carmel as an informer.

March 22, 1947, Palestine. British officials announced the arrest of five known terrorists and the discovery near Petah Tikvah of the body of Leon Meshiah, a Jew presumably slain as a suspected informer.

March 30, 1947, Tel Aviv. The Stem gang killed the wife of a British soldier.

May 8, 1947, Tel Aviv. A Jew was ambushed and shot to death by an Arab group near Tel Aviv, and three Jewish-owned Tel Aviv shops whose owners refused to contribute money to Jewish terrorist groups were burned down.

July 23, 1947, Haifa. Haganah sank the British transport “Empire Lifeguard” in Haifa harbor as it was discharging 300 Jewish immigrants who had officially been admitted to Palestine under quota. Sixty-five immigrants were killed and 40 were wounded. The British were able to refloat the ship.

August 5, 1947, Palestine. Striking at dawn, British security forces arrested 35 leading Zionists and sent them to the Latrun detention camp in an attempt to wipe out the Irgun leadership. In reprisal, Irgunists blew up the Department of Labor in Jerusalem, killing three British constables. Those arrested included Mayor Israel Rokach of Tel Aviv; Mayor Oved Ben Ami of Nethanya; Mayor Abraham Krinitzki of Ramat Gan, Arieh Altman, president of the radical Revisionist Party; Menahem Arber, leader of the Revisionist youth organization, B'rith Trumpeldor, which is outlawed; Max Kritzman, Dov Bela Gruner's attorney, and David Stern, brother of the late founder of the Stem gang.All those arrested except the three mayors were Revisionists. Among many papers confiscated was correspondence from Soviet Russian agents in Italy and Bulgaria and extensive plans to poison the water supply of the non-Jewish parts of Jerusalem with botulism, anthrax and other bacteria. Bacteria was supplied by Soviet sources through Bulgaria.

August 16, 1947, Palestine. Arab-Jewish clashes have brought death to 12 Arabs and 13 Jews and heavy property destruction this week in the regions of Jewish Tel Aviv and Arab Jaffa. Interracial strife was renewed on August 10 when Arabs killed four Jews in a Tel Aviv cafe, in reprisal for the deaths of two Arabs in a Haganah raid in Fega two months ago. Haganah responded to the Arab actions by bombing a house in an Arab orange grove near Tel Aviv, killing eleven Arabs, including a woman and four children. British military curfews imposed on August 13 on slum districts between modern Tel Aviv and Jaffa have failed to prevent mounting casualties. British military authorities, citing captured intelligence and statements from Jewish defectors from terrorist organizations, state that it now appears that the Jewish terrorists are beginning to attack Arabs where ever they found them because Jews wish the Arabs to be driven out of Palestine entirely.

August 18, 1947, Palestine. The shops of five Jewish merchants in Tel Aviv were destroyed by the Irgun because the owners refused to give money to that organization.

August 23, 1947, Jerusalem. British authorities reported that five Arabs in one family; two men, one woman and two children, were murdered by Jewish terrorists as retaliation for the British arrest of two Irgun leaders on August 15.

September 7, 1947, Paris. French police state a Stern gang plot to attack London with home-made fire extinguisher bombs from the air was thwarted through the cooperation of Reginald Gilbert of St Louis, Missouri, a student and wartime RCAF and AAF pilot He was taken into custody with Rabbi Baruch Korif, of New York, co-chairman of the Political Action Committee for Palestine, and Judith Rosenberger, Hungarian-born Stern gang member, as the three started to enter a private plane last night at Toussus-le-Noble field near Versailles. Gilbert informed French police that Korif had approached him in Paris a week ago with an offer for flying a bombing mission over London the day of the“ Exodus” illegal immigrant landings in Germany. Gilbert accepted for some other pilot who would actually perform the mission. He at once notified Paris police, then worked with them and Scotland Yard while pretending to go through with the Stern gang's plot. Korff was charged in Paris on September 9 with illegal possession of bombs he was intending to drop on London. He began a hunger strike. Paris police state that nine other conspirators were in custody.

October 13, 1947. Jerusalem. A terrorist bomb damaged the US. consulate general in Jerusalem, injuring two employees slightly. Similar bombings occurred at the Polish consulate general last night and at the Swedish consulate on September 27.In Baghdad, the Iraq foreign office advised an American House Foreign Affairs Committee group not to make a projected visit there because of “high feeling” over US endorsement of partitioning of Palestine. The State Department in Washington announced it will issue no passports to American citizens who want to take part in terrorism in Palestine; Americans so involved will forfeit protection normally due US citizens abroad.

November 22, 1947, Haifa. Another Arab was murdered in Haifa by the Stern gang following their execution of four Arabs near Raanana November 20 in retaliation for the British shooting of five Stern gang members on November12. Arabs retaliated against this killing at Raanana by wounding five Jews on a bus near Tel Aviv on November 20.

November 30- December 6, 1947, Palestine. A week of disorders brought on by Arab wrath over the UN's decision to partition the Holy Land ended with at least 159 killed in the Middle East, 66 in Palestine.
While Jews in Palestine, Europe and the US celebrated and began planning their new state and the UN moved to implement its plan, war talk was rife throughout the Arab world. The Arab League announced on December 1 that premiers and foreign ministers of seven Arab states would meet in Cairo next week to plan strategy against partition.
In Palestine: Jerusalem and the Jaffa Tel Aviv boundary zone were centers of week-long strife which began when seven Jews were killed throughout Palestine on November 30 and the mayor of Nablus, Arab nationalist center, proclaimed jihad or a holy war. British High Commissioner Sir Alan Cunningham warned the Arab Higher Command on December 1 that Britain was determined to keep order so long as it held its mandate, and police stopped Arab agitators from raising crowds in Jerusalem. But Jewish celebrations there were stoned. Arabs looted and burned a three-block Jewish business district in Jerusalem on December 2, the first day of a three-day Arab general strike during which 20 Jews and l5 Arabs were killed.
When British troops failed to intervene, Haganah (unofficial Zionist militia) came into the open for the first time in eight years to restrain large-scale Jewish retaliation and also guard Jewish districts. Some Haganah men were arrested for possessing weapons. The day's strife caused $1 million worth of damage and resulted in a 24-hour curfew being applied to Arab Jerusalem for the rest of the week.
The curfew was extended to outlying roads on December 3 to stop stonings of Jewish traffic and keep rural Arabs out of the capital. Max Pinn, head of the Jewish Agency's Trade and Transfer Department was killed on December 2 when Arabs stoned his auto near Ramleh. On this day Jews stoned Arab buses in Jerusalem. On the Jaffa-Tel Aviv boundary, which also is under around-the-clock curfew, the week's heaviest battle was a six-hour clash between Hagariah and Arabs on December 3 in which seven Jews and five Arabs were killed and 75 persons injured.
On December 2, Haganah claimed to have mobilized 10,000 men in the intercity trouble zone, and the Arab Legion of Trans-Jordan reported on this date that it had reinforced Jaffa. Seven Jews were killed in Jaffa-Tel Aviv on this date. There were lesser attacks in Haifa this week. It becomes clearly evident that the partition is not going as planned and that although the Jews are pleased, the Arabs are not. There appears to be no way to control the Jews or their determination to drive all of the Arabs out of Jerusalem by force if necessary.
The Arabs, initially living in peace with the Jewish minority, have been increasingly victimized by the Jews who, now that the British are leaving, are turning their savage behavior against them. The Jews have redoubled their efforts to build a military force and arm them. They claim that this force is to protect the Jewish population against attacks from the Arab countries as well as the Arab population of Jerusalem but an even stronger argument can be made that the Zionists are determined to drive out the Arab population by armed force.
The initial Arab response to Jewish harassment over the past year has been very slow in coming but it seems to be quite inevitable and a terrible civil war is foreseen. The United States Department of State announced on December 5, 1947 that they were placing an embargo on all American arms shipments to the Middle East It appears that the Soviets have been sending weapons – mostly captured German pieces, to assist the Zionists and accompanying these clandestine arms shipments the Soviets have also sent a very sizable contingent of instructors and advisors to Palestine in months past
As many of the Zionists are Russian or Polish in origin, these Communist Russians have been received gladly by the Jewish extremists and quickly blend in with the local populations. Soviet interest in Middle East oil and an overriding interest in obtaining warm-water ports are a prime factor in their interest in a Jewish state in Palestine. The most violent reactions in the Arab world to the UN partition idea are Syrian and Egyptian.
However, it is noted that the worst outbreak of anti-partition violence outside Palestine occurred in Aden, a British colony at the entrance to the Red Sea. On December 5, British military reinforcements were sent to Aden after four days of Arab-Jewish fighting in which 5O Jews and 25 Arabs were killed. In Syria, public demonstrations by the Arab population paralyzed business in Damascus earlier this week. The Soviet cultural center and Communist headquarters in Damascus were wrecked on November 30 with four persons killed.
The Syrian Communist Party was officially disbanded by the government and the US. and British Embassy flags were torn down. On December 1, Syria introduced military training into all boys' schools and on December 2, the Syrian Parliament enacted a draft law and voted $860,000 for the relief of Palestinian Arabs. On the same day Arabs attacked the Jewish part of Aleppo.
In Egypt the Chamber of Deputies resolved on December 1 to help keep Palestine a totally Arab state and to support the Arab population of Palestine against attacks by the Jewish minority. There were repeated anti-US and British demonstrations in Egypt's main cities, and the British Institute in Zagazig was burned on December 2. All public meetings were banned in Cairo after Egyptian police fought with 15,000 people on December 4.
In Lebanon, Arab students smashed the windows of the US Legation in Beirut on December 1 and Lebanese Communists demonstrated against the partition of Palestine and all schools were closed to prevent student disorders. In Iraq, students in Baghdad wrecked the US. Information offices on December 4. In Saudi Arabia, anti-American demonstrations by Arabs in the oil fields were restrained by the government.

And this is your idea of a peaceful population?:wall:
 

We Love 1

New Member
You guys should check out the movie called "stop-lost"! Its about the war in the middle east and I highly recommend it.

Do You guys have "Red Box" in Your areas? Its only a dollar per day per movie.

~PEACE~

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CrackerJax

New Member
Gee, violence after a global genocidal war? That is a shock. And what does this have to do with Iran currently?

But since you bring it up ( i didn't) the real soultion to the Middle east situation is to merely let the game play to the end. it is the forced "peaces" which enable this dilemma to continue.

The next time hamas breaks their word and attacks unprovoked (which was last week by the way), or any other middle eastern country which chooses to take the chance of WAR BOOTY, let them fight it out until one side is victorious and the other in rubble. These "tiny" wars let in the horror of war, just not the conclusion.

Arabs are intensely jealous of Israel as well they should be. Israel has in 60 short years has surpassed every single arab country around them and without oil. it is a daily reminder to the arabs that they are not free, they are not educated, they do not have a voice in their own future. But instead of following the beacon of hope that is Israel, they wish to extinguish the light and go back to the darkness.

The Arab states are very much in LOTR terms, Gollum and the jealousy has set them on a political and social suicide. We should not prolong the agony of the arab states, but let them flame out quickly, so from the ashes of the Arab world (tiny Israel would decimate its enemies, the OTHER embarassment) a new beginning can occur.

Arabs need to get over their complete and total humiliation. It happened, you were humiliated, again and again....but the Arabs brought it upon themselves and should accept the verdict or die tryng to reverse it. It's these tiny wars which let their humiliation continue and to fester.


Better to end it now.


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MrJDGaF

Well-Known Member
You really are as ignorant as you sound CrackerJax, aren't you?

Did you read what I posted or was it too much for your few grey cells to absorb?

If you can't see what that has to do with Iran currently then you're a lost cause.:wall:

Let me simplify it for you, imagine I emigrated to the US along with a few thousand of my fellow countrymen.

Now imagine that we don't want to share OUR state with dumb peasants like you.

So we stage terrorist attacks against you and your supporters.(Civilian and military targets)

Eventually we gain enough support that the UN says "O.K you can have all the states except Alaska and Florida."

But we're not happy, we want it all and we want all Americans to fuck off to Mexico or Canada.(or just die!)

Would you fight for your land or roll over and get arse fucked?

That is what Israel has done, you ignoramus.:wall: Jealousy? MY ARSE!

Uneducated? They were building great civilisations while Europeans were living in mud huts! Maybe YOU should relieve your ignorance by googling MESOPOTAMIA, in fact given your obviously low IQ, here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=sRWQSdmMK5iL-gbJ8eWJCw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&q=MESOPOTAMIA&spell=1

Just because you're ignorant(never!) of Arab and Persian culture and achievements does not mean there aren't any!

You're view of Arabs brings to mind the Nazi view of Jews and Russians as sub-human!

Yes, it's amazing what the Zionists have done with the land with the Trillions of dollars in aid they've received, NOT!

Not to mention the help they received from the US and UK amongst others in building their ILLEGAL nuclear weapons!

And you think jealousy is why Iran wants nukes and an end to Israel!? How about self-defence/deterrent?

IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU?(I bet not, but that's your problem!):wall:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
You are the one who is ignorant pal.... Iran is not Arab...Iran is not in the Middle east. Iran is Persian. There is quite a difference, but it has obviously escaped you. they are not a homogenous group over there.

Iran wants to bring PERSIA back...not the Middle east. Iran wishes to dominate the Middle east, not join it.

Palestine has never been a state except as historical Israel. There has never been a Palestine state. Why is one mandatory now? Why? because it is a useful wedge, and that is about all.

If the rest of the Arab world actually CARED about the Palestinians...they would HELP them, but they DO NOT. Ever wonder why? or is that too difficult for you to wrap ur head around.... the largest benefactor to Palestine is ....who??? .... Israel. Another embarrassment for the Arab world.

It all stems from Arab humiliation.....they have left reason far behind.


out. :blsmoke:

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MrJDGaF

Well-Known Member
I never said Iran was an Arab nation or in the Middle East...but why let facts stop you you haven't so far...ignorance and lies, just as I knew you would...

I never said Palestine was a state either, but your on a roll I guess...

Israel gives the most...I don't think so unless you count chemical weapons as aid...

Major donors

According to the Development Assistance Committee, the main multilateral donors for the 2005–2006 period were UNRWA and the EU (through the European Commission); the main bilateral donors were the US, Japan and six European countries (Norway, Germany, Sweden, Spain, France and Netherlands).[51] Since 1993 the European Commission and the EU member-states combined have been by far the largest aid contributor to the Palestinians.[52] The Arab League states have also been substantial donors, notably through budgetary support to the PNA during the Second Intifada; they have been however criticized for not sufficiently financing the UNRWA and the PNA, and for balking at their pledges.[53] After the 2006 Palestinian elections, the Arab countries tried to contribute to the payment of the Palestinian public servants' wages, bypassing the PNA; at the same time Arab funds were paid directly to Abbas' office for disbursement.[54] During the Paris Conference, 11% of the pledges came from the US and Canada, 53% from Europe and 20% from the Arab countries.[42]
If the rest of the Arab world actually CARED about the Palestinians...they would HELP them, but they DO NOT. Ever wonder why? or is that too difficult for you to wrap ur head around.... the largest benefactor to Palestine is ....who??? .... Israel. Another embarrassment for the Arab world.
If Israel cared about Jews they would of let them leave Nazi Germany(for destinations other than PALESTINE) instead of being gassed, what's that got to do with my previous post?

Don't try a battle of wits when you're so ill-equipped...
 

MrJDGaF

Well-Known Member
Gee, violence after a global genocidal war? That is a shock. And what does this have to do with Iran currently?

But since you bring it up ( i didn't) the real soultion to the Middle east situation is to merely let the game play to the end. it is the forced "peaces" which enable this dilemma to continue.

The next time hamas breaks their word and attacks unprovoked (which was last week by the way), or any other middle eastern country which chooses to take the chance of WAR BOOTY, let them fight it out until one side is victorious and the other in rubble. These "tiny" wars let in the horror of war, just not the conclusion.

Arabs are intensely jealous of Israel as well they should be. Israel has in 60 short years has surpassed every single arab country around them and without oil. it is a daily reminder to the arabs that they are not free, they are not educated, they do not have a voice in their own future. But instead of following the beacon of hope that is Israel, they wish to extinguish the light and go back to the darkness.

The Arab states are very much in LOTR terms, Gollum and the jealousy has set them on a political and social suicide. We should not prolong the agony of the arab states, but let them flame out quickly, so from the ashes of the Arab world (tiny Israel would decimate its enemies, the OTHER embarassment) a new beginning can occur.

Arabs need to get over their complete and total humiliation. It happened, you were humiliated, again and again....but the Arabs brought it upon themselves and should accept the verdict or die tryng to reverse it. It's these tiny wars which let their humiliation continue and to fester.


Better to end it now.


out. :blsmoke:
Just because you're ignorant(never!) of Arab and Persian culture and achievements does not mean there aren't any!
I mentioned Persia, can't see that you did though...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Israel was not in existence during WW2 pal....so how could they emigrate? You need to read up on WW2 it seems.... It's not as if many hundreds of thousands of Jews didn't try to leave. Why didn't the Arab nations accept them back into the fold? No moral high ground there for the Arabs either. they had a chance to be human, but guess what.... most of the Arab states backed HITLER!!! Nuff said there.

The Arab states are BACKWARDS....no doubt about it. Illiteracy rates are through the roof over there. They try and run a modern society on antiquated ideas....it's not working, and it never will.

No, it comes down to jealousy plain and simple. Israel took a hard rock place and turned it into an oasis in 60 years. Under great and continuing stress I might add.

In the relationship of human potential, you have a very wide disparity between Israel and the Arab states, and that is what is driving the Arabs nuts..... everything else is an excuse to cover their true problem, which comes from within themselves. Much easier to point fingers and make up the devil than to face your own societal shortcomings.

And that's too bad....the rest of the world is waiting for the arab states to GROW UP..... and also GROW A PAIR. Quit hiding behind women and children...it's embarrassing... more humiliation.


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