Iran Update...

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PadawanBater

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CrackerJax said:
So now it's the world? :lol: Oh my... I give you a 37 for accuracy.

What is the motivation for Iran....? I.E. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.... Iran seeks control of the middle east and to bring Persian power back from its historical slide against the Arab tribes. It also demands the annihilation of Israel as a matter of "principle" (irony). Striking at the United States with an EMP bomb delivered by an autonomous terrorist cell of which Iran will vehemently deny any connection with, will go a long way to nuetralizing Israel. Once the chick has been separated from Mother hen, the wolves will come out.

This is not cryptic stuff and I am dismayed that you don't already know these things....



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Clearly you're selective reading everything that's been posted so far. Do I have to draw it out in crayon?

IRAN DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO LAUNCH THE KIND OF ATTACK YOU ARE PROPOSING!

Will you please get that through your head.

Even with an attack such as this, it sure as fuck would not give Iran control over the middle east. They would get completely destroyed by every other allied country on the face of this fucking planet. Like I said, THEY KNOW THIS! Do you really think the Iranian government thinks destroying Israel is worth the complete distruction of Iran? Economically, politically, militarily, and in every other aspect of living?!

Stop watching the news and start thinking about this shit for yourself. I have no idea how someone could come up with such a fucked up view of how things actually work in the world, and be so scared of a nation of people they've never even met. You have been lied to by our government, you've been tricked and manipulated into exactly what they want, someone who see's 'terrorists' on every street corner and is too afraid to open their mind and see the light that governments have been doing this since the beginning of society for their benifit, the American and Israeli governments are no different, and your complete refusal to believe that is ignorant and dangerous and keeps it so they stay in control and keep peddling their right wing agenda on the rest of the world.
 
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Padawan.. I guess you missed todays news about Iran launching a missile? You need to get ur self updated. Tho the launch was today...the tech has been there... An EMP bomb does not need a large missile to work.... not at all...


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MrJDGaF

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CrackerJax, if they intended to attack then surely that was the perfect time, new administration still finding it's feet in the US and Israel distracted by Gaza! They've lost the element of surprise now they've shown the world their rocket capability so do you still feel they plan to attack? When? In 2109 maybe?:wall: Also how would a terrorist group move the missile and it's launcher out of Iran, as they would need to if Iran was to deny involvement, without anyone noticing!?
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CrackerJax

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The missile will be a small version of wht you just saw. it can be delivered by a single small barge or boat... nothing high tech is needed other than the weapon. Again, it comes down to launching it anonymously. I mean if there isn't a claimant then whom do you strike? and with what? NO ONE will claim responsibility of course, and then as the time line unfolds, it will become increasingly difficult to strike back with nukes from our side...if we would even consider it.....


It's a win win for them.... and it's very doable...very.... and very hard to stop...very.

Not to worry, as we dismantle our terrorist network ala Obama, I'm sure he knows what to do next..... :lol:


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MrJDGaF

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By "small", I assume you mean between 50-100 feet long!? Just big enough to carry a payload of the size required to create a USA sized EMP (is that possible? even solar flares haven't achieved that!) and the fuel required to reach the required altitude! But don't let facts and reality spoil your paranoid delusion!:wall:
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CrackerJax

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It's very possible because the payload is quite small... you don't need a huge nuke to make a sizable EMP. EMP works by line of sight so if an emp was launched halfway up the Mississippi (ever wonder where all those barges are from?), the EMP blast would cover us from coast to coast.

Umm I suggest you look up EMP bombs before you decide thay need to be on an ICBM. To a lesser degree an EMP could be detonated by a plane... or IN one. ow many cessna's are there?



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MrJDGaF

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A Scud-type ballistic missile launched from a vessel in U.S. coastal waters and detonated at an altitude of 95 miles could degrade electronic systems across one-quarter of the United States. A more powerful missile launched from North Korea could probably deliver a warhead 300 miles above America--enough to degrade the electronic systems across the entire continental United States.
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Can people just set off from the middle east and sail up the Mississippi with a scud and launcher without being challenged by the coastguard or navy?

Cessnas can only reach 8.5 miles, not 95!

If a missile was launched from within US territory do you not think your military could spot the launch, identify the missile, recognise the threat and launch an anti-missile missile before it could reach the atmosphere and detonate?

Would it really be worth the effort just to take out 25% of your infrastructure?
 
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Yes, there are literally thousands of barges running up the Mississippi from foreign nationals..... how many do you think are checked?

I mereley used cessan a s an example...and it would still work albeit to a lesser degree (line of sight) in radius, not impact.

Just 25%.... if you have been paying attention to our economic woes...if 25% of our infrastructure had to be replaced and/or rebuilt..... I don't want to see the price tag. No, we would be crippled.


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MrJDGaF

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I should think that each and every one from the middle east is looked at quite closely, especially if it has cargo covered up on the deck!

Even the SR-71 can only reach approximately 26 miles, and I can't see them getting hold of one. It's 25% at 95 miles, so I would guess that at 10 miles it's a lot less.

Of course all this ignores the fact that the Supreme Ayatollah (who has the last say in Iran) issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons and the fact he denounced the attacks of 9/11!

If western governments stopped trying to impose their will on the rest of the world, and stopped supporting the Zionists in Israel then no-one would have much to complain about.
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I'd like to think u r right, but that would just be wishful thinking...... it was wishful thinking combined with scrapping the CIA during the Clinton years which gave us 9/11. I do not wish to have that repeated, and with nukes, contrary to the hand wringing UN diplomats actions (none), it is better to prevent the creation than to abort the result. No, better to slip Iran a few missiles and put a condom on that country before she impregnates us with one of her own (of course the missile will be an orphan).

UR last statement is ur fatal flaw....... back to wishful thinking.


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PadawanBater

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CrackerJax said:
I'd like to think u r right, but that would just be wishful thinking...... it was wishful thinking combined with scrapping the CIA during the Clinton years which gave us 9/11. I do not wish to have that repeated, and with nukes, contrary to the hand wringing UN diplomats actions (none), it is better to prevent the creation than to abort the result. No, better to slip Iran a few missiles and put a condom on that country before she impregnates us with one of her own (of course the missile will be an orphan).

UR last statement is ur fatal flaw....... back to wishful thinking.


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So according to you, any 'ol terrorist can get on any barge and cruise it up the Mississippi river carrying a nuclear warhead and the equipment to launch it, all without the Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force, or any satellite tracking known terrorist positions knowing about it?! That would be nearly impossible. Do you remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? How did we know the USSR was placing missile launch sites in Cuba? That was in the 1960's. Satellite technology has come unbelievably far since then. Everything you keep proposing sounds like science fiction. Nothing is realistic. How old are you? No rogue terrorist organization on this planet has the ability to do what you're proposing.

9/11 happened because of American foreign policy, we've supported Israel since it's creation, the CIA instituted the Shah because he was pro western government, and ousted Mossadegh with operation Ajax, this obviously pissed off a lot of Iranian people, which led to the hostage crisis later. Our foreign policy of ''go in and do whatever the fuck is best for America'' doesn't sit well with pissed off people with weapons, exactly the same as it wouldn't sit well with me if a foreign country came in and tried to pull the same shit here. Are you unable to see the situation from their perspective?! It really isn't that complicated. Israel has used terrorist tactics to abuse it's neighbors since it's creation, and America is the largest supporter of Israel, with BILLIONS of dollars per year in 'aid' they don't need. Osama Bin Ladin has stated that since we pay taxes to our government that institutes this insane foreign policy, we, as innocent American civilians are also responsible for our governments actions. Yet with rampant media manipulation, both from the right and left, it's nearly impossible to get the foreign policy changed because Americans like you are too scared to give peace a chance and too scared of anything to change, you keep voting the guy in that says he'll be tough on terrorism and destroy terrorism wherever it is! (which is impossible, but you're too stupid to realize that)

Your ignorance on the UN's investigations is ridiculous. You clearly show you don't know anything about it if you simply disregard their work as "none"... unbelievable. (this also goes to show how most Americans don't actually do any research for themselves and instead spout the same old shit over and over again as if it's fact)

K, go ahead and send Iran a few missiles, see what happens.

Israel is a huge reason for 9/11.

You need to stop watching 24 while baked man, seriously!
 
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Yes, that first part is 100% correct. the percentages of ships being searched before port is miniscule .... what makes you think otherwise? Wishful thinking? You seem to do a lot of that. :lol:

9/11 happened because Clinton depleted the CIA both in spirit and infrastructure. 9/11 happened because CLINTON INSISTED on treating the World Trade Tower bombing as a criminal act and not an act of terrorism. Handing the case over to the NYPD was a HUGE mistake which eventually brought down the towers. How inept is a Govt. when it is given a complete second chance and then ignores the opportunity. The answer.... completely inept.

Israel is not the reason for 9/11. It is the acceptance of terrorism as a tactic, instead of what it truly is...an act of barbarism. You have accepted it as a tactic...I do not.

Israel is tolerant of its neighbors and has always been. the intolerance does not spring from their homeland......any fourth grader who even gives a cursory review of middle east history can see that.....unless of course they are blinded by their OWN prejudices.

By the way you prefer to sit on your hands and hope Iran plays nice once they get the bomb..... oh my.... again with the wishful thinking. You should head to washington D.C. I hear that's all the rage now.


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medicineman

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CrackerJax said:
Yes, that first part is 100% correct. the percentages of ships being searched before port is miniscule .... what makes you think otherwise? Wishful thinking? You seem to do a lot of that. :lol:

9/11 happened because Clinton depleted the CIA both in spirit and infrastructure. 9/11 happened because CLINTON INSISTED on treating the World Trade Tower bombing as a criminal act and not an act of terrorism. Handing the case over to the NYPD was a HUGE mistake which eventually brought down the towers. How inept is a Govt. when it is given a complete second chance and then ignores the opportunity. The answer.... completely inept.

Israel is not the reason for 9/11. It is the acceptance of terrorism as a tactic, instead of what it truly is...an act of barbarism. You have accepted it as a tactic...I do not.

Israel is tolerant of its neighbors and has always been. the intolerance does not spring from their homeland......any fourth grader who even gives a cursory review of middle east history can see that.....unless of course they are blinded by their OWN prejudices.

By the way you prefer to sit on your hands and hope Iran plays nice once they get the bomb..... oh my.... again with the wishful thinking. You should head to washington D.C. I hear that's all the rage now.


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was assuming you had a brain to start with.Jax, as usual, your Myopic view of the world lends your rhetoric to sub-channel distortion. I really like your view that everything that Bush fucked up was Clintons fault, that is classic. I mean wasn't it also FDR and Kennedy that caused Bushes troubles to begin, Why don't we go back further, maybe Truman. The facts present themselves right in front of you and through squinted eyes, you fail to see them. I think you need more than a good set of glasses, how about a brain transplant? ~LOL~, that was assuming you had a brain to start with.
 
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They aren't George Bushes troubles, they are OUR troubles.

Concerning laying the blame at Clintons feet, I feel quite confident that the historians will come to the same conclusion. After all 9/11 is a culmination of events which led up to it. It wasn't hatched, plotted, and carried out once Bush became president. get real...

Bush did not create 9/11, no the set up came before. I mean DUH...

I'm no Bush fan, never was, but I know how to follow data..... so do the historians. And that has Bill very worried..... he will crumble and fall farther than Carter. It will just take time..... but CJ calls it right now for you, free of charge...


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Spitzered

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medicineman said:
was assuming you had a brain to start with.Jax, as usual, your Myopic view of the world lends your rhetoric to sub-channel distortion. I really like your view that everything that Bush fucked up was Clintons fault, that is classic. I mean wasn't it also FDR and Kennedy that caused Bushes troubles to begin, Why don't we go back further, maybe Truman. The facts present themselves right in front of you and through squinted eyes, you fail to see them. I think you need more than a good set of glasses, how about a brain transplant? ~LOL~, that was assuming you had a brain to start with.
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Actually, the Iran hostage situation under Carter can be traced back to Eisenhower and the coup to replace their Prime Minister with the Shah. They have very long memories. Very long. Just because you see everything in the short term, they don't.

Do you know why the Sunnies and Shities have such problems, they trace it back centuries, about 15 of them.

Most of our world problems can be traced back to the cold war with the Soviet Union, we rode rough shod out of fear of the Soviets, not without some justification.

Your simplistic hatred of Bush justifies the blinders you wear.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Spitzered said:
Actually, the Iran hostage situation under Carter can be traced back to Eisenhower and the coup to replace their Prime Minister with the Shah. They have very long memories. Very long. Just because you see everything in the short term, they don't.

Do you know why the Sunnies and Shities have such problems, they trace it back centuries, about 15 of them.

Most of our world problems can be traced back to the cold war with the Soviet Union, we rode rough shod out of fear of the Soviets, not without some justification.

Your simplistic hatred of Bush justifies the blinders you wear.
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My hatred is not that simplistic. I watched that asshole start two unprovoked wars, (yes, Afghanistan was un-provoked, afterall, it was Saudis that did the deed) tear our constitution in half and wipe his ass with it, subvert the justice system to favor repukes, wiretap US citizens, from phones to internet, Open detention camps (CIA) approved by him, in foriegn countries, where torture was the norm, rendition (picking people off the streets and sending them to one of his secret camps), Abu-Graib, Gitmo, the list of subversive things the asshole did is way too long for me to explain. He was and is, one evil fuck, him and his minions, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. I could personally take care of those assholes if given the chance. I'd joyfully pull the lever on the hangmans rack.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Please pray tell me Med Man,

Hypothetical:

U R the president and 9/11 happens to you and your country...what would U do? What was the correct solution. Please consider you have the advantage of hindsight. be honest....attack? No attack? whom and where if at all? Please enlighten me to the correct path... Let's forget about the hideously oppressive regime of Saddam for a sec... just tell me what U would have done to keep America safe after 9/11....

P.S. I do believe u when u say ur hatred is not simplistic...ur hatred has real depth....well done :clap:


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