Illegal vs hispanic

abe23 said:

See, this is what I'm talking about....

Most of what you just talked about doesn't apply to illegal immigrants in particular, but to all migrants. People who have legal documents to work here also send money back home and cling to their language and culture. Your argument is one against immigration in general.

And by the way, I'm not saying everyone who is anti-immigrant is necessarily prejudice or a racist, it's just that a lot of attitudes about immigration seem to revolve around language and culture more than about people's immigration documents....? Remember, there are also shit-tons of LEGAL hispanic migrants in this country....

It's also interesting that back when our immigration laws were blatantly racist, there were no restrictions on people from the americas. It wasn't until the great depression that it became a 'problem'.

Stop blaming all our problems on people who come here to make a better life for themselves. It's not because of mexicans without visas that we're in the middle of two wars, an environmental disaster and facing fiscal armageddon. We've only got ourselves to blame for the most part...

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The issue of illegal immigrants may not be why we are at war abroad, but it may become a war on our own soil sooner than you think.
Let's just clarify right from the get go that I am not a racist. I don't have a racist bone in my body. I am sure there are many wonderful Mexican people with wonderful moral fiber.....but that's not the issue. I shouldn't have to define it either. This nation obviously has to make cuts in our budget.....EXTREME ones at that.

It should not be so easy to cross our borders. We should not be providing "obamnesty." That is disaster further being created......such a ridiculous notion that our president would SUE Arizona, simply for enforcing a law that desperately needed to be ENFORCED.

As for "culture"...I can think of nothing off the top of my head about their culture I would find offensive---other than it being permissible to sleep with 12 year olds. Do I wish to have that imposed upon my surroundings?

I'm not a proponent of many facets with other cultures being incorporated as mainstream in this country. This is America...when you migrate here, you should be doing so because you find our culture at least as appealing as where you came from, if not more so. I don't appreciate any culture migrating here to CHANGE us....and I am not going to be ashamed to state that.

Skip the guilt trip and playing the race card with me. America can not pick up the tab for their own people. How do you suppose we'll bail ourselves out of this debt continuing this course?

abe23 said:

Whenever there's a discussion of immigration it quickly becomes about latin american migrants and mexicans in particular. It seems like most of the anti-immigrant crowd is more upset at people speaking spanish rather than people being here without papers.

So be honest, is your problem with immigrants about them being here without papers or about them being mexican/hispanic....?

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It's almost impossible to discuss immigration without mentioning Mexico or mexicans, simply because that's where the majority of the illegal immigration problem is coming from. To start, there are plenty of illegal immigrants coming from South America in general, most all of them get here through mexico anyways, and the majority of which are still mexican, so it's not a stretch for the intellectually lazy (or those who don't care about political correctness) to label a larger-than-necessary chunk of the illegal populace as "mexicans". However, the main reason illegal immigration is focused on the latino portion of the illegal populace is because no other demographic of the illegal population attempts to manipulate the system to the extent and in the numbers that latinos do. You don't hear about illegal asians (next largest illegal demographic, btw) flying their respective country's flags above ours in the streets en masse and on TV decrying the order of law that they both hate and want to manipulate for their own good. On top of that, you don't hear about the other illegals' respective governments not only sanctioning, but enabling more of their migrant populace to enter this country illegally like Mexico has. To ice the cake, their president even had the cojones to criticize OUR laws pertaining strictly to OUR land, within OUR borders- PUBLICLY. Quite frankly, it's none of his business.

In summary, illegal immigration is largely focused on latinos and mexicans because they've made it about themselves. No other demographic of the illegal population has been nearly as brash and disrespectful as they have on a societal and national level.

As far as me personally being against the majority of illegal populace speaking spanish, I am not. I don't care what language illegals speak. I do, however, care very much that the predominatly spanish-speaking illegal populace insists public institutions cater to their inability and/or unwillingness to learn the language that has widely been accepted as the standard for this country for almost 234 years now. I also care that they insist that they have rights and entitlements under the laws in this country when in fact they do not. They are not citizens, and are not protected by our civil(lian's) laws. My opinion would not change because of skin color, nationality, or ethnicity. If instead of mexicans we had white canadians flooding the northern border who mostly only spoke french and did the same things that mexico is doing today I'd be just as pissed at them, and for the same reasons.

Radiate said:

I also care that they insist that they have rights and entitlements under the laws in this country when in fact they do not. They are not citizens, and are not protected by our civil(lian's) laws. My opinion would not change because of skin color, nationality, or ethnicity. If instead of mexicans we had white canadians flooding the northern border who mostly only spoke french and did the same things that mexico is doing today I'd be just as pissed at them, and for the same reasons.

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That about sums it up for me.

abe23 said:

Whenever there's a discussion of immigration it quickly becomes about latin american migrants and mexicans in particular. It seems like most of the anti-immigrant crowd is more upset at people speaking spanish rather than people being here without papers.

So be honest, is your problem with immigrants about them being here without papers or about them being mexican/hispanic....?

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I dont like my government having a completely hypocritical and ignored immigration system and almost no border enforcement.

undertheice said:

...rodent-like scurrying of illegals ....tossing in the race card.....the inherent racism of organizations like la raza......the rampant violence of hispanic gangs that rule many of our cities and prisons. ...

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you win the gold star for most negative mental images of hispanics in one paragraph!

you also just validated abe's reason for starting this thread.

two birds with one stoner, nice

You and abe23 must belong to the same your RACIST Club.....

You and him like to do lots of assuming about people you have never meet.

But that is typical for your types though..

abe23 im jus wondering with the way the economy is here..with all the U.S citizens jobless and homeless how is any immigration,legal or illegal benificial to OUR country as of now? dont mean to sound selfish or rude but with the high unemployment rate it doesnt seem like were in an position to take another countrys burdens.

abe23 does not really care about the american people.

He is more concerned with the illegal that are here and want to come here.

lol well that sounds selfish.. o well time to get blazed.
and abe23 im black and wanna tell u yall hispanics got it good.. atleast when people say go back where u came from u have somewhere to go back to where ur peeps r.. ppl try and tell me that id be like KANSAS? lmao.. c all better!

UncleBuck said:

you win the gold star for most negative mental images of hispanics in one paragraph!

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i threw that in just for you and your ilk. i've noticed that it's perfectly all right for y'all to speak disparagingly of white racism, but it seems some great sin to bring the racism of any other group to light. wake up and smell your own hypocrisy.

the rodent-like comment may have been over the top, but nowhere in it was a reference to hispanics or any other group. that was your own mind at work. my observation concerning la raza is rather obvious considering its very name means "the race" and the emergence of hispanic gangs as major players in the inner city and the prison population is an easily verifiable fact. it seems you've allowed that "tolerance run amok" to cloud most every facet of your world view and are no longer capable of differentiating truth from the twisted version of reality fed to you by the liberal establishment.

i hope you get better soon.

you come to the country without papers that means you broke the law. do it the right way, dont live off our tax money, stop trying to be gangbanggers, speak english and dont have 15 kids! how fucking hard is that i dont care what color you are stop pissing on my country!!!!!

if you want to come to this country join the armed forces learn a skill and make your own money and pay taxes

i wasnt gonna post this because its kind of a low blow but proof of how illegals here screws americans... a few nights ago i was in a car accident... i was side swipe by a big cargo van into my 06 cadillac cts.. it wasnt my fault so by normal standard id b compinsated but because he was an illegal i may jus end up screwd... FACT!

undertheice said:

i threw that in just for you and your ilk. i've noticed that it's perfectly all right for y'all to speak disparagingly of white racism, but it seems some great sin to bring the racism of any other group to light. wake up and smell your own hypocrisy.

the rodent-like comment may have been over the top, but nowhere in it was a reference to hispanics or any other group. that was your own mind at work. my observation concerning la raza is rather obvious considering its very name means "the race" and the emergence of hispanic gangs as major players in the inner city and the prison population is an easily verifiable fact. it seems you've allowed that "tolerance run amok" to cloud most every facet of your world view and are no longer capable of differentiating truth from the twisted version of reality fed to you by the liberal establishment.

i hope you get better soon.

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what hypocrisy? i decry racism from any group. try to keep up.

it seems all you know about la raza is its obvious translation. did you know that it is actually an advocacy group, genius? just like the NAACP or NOW.

gangs come in all colors and nationalities. there are black gangs and white gangs and hispanic gangs and many more! so your reference to hispanic gangs is one-sided at best.

i don't care what you say about my 'tolerance run amok', what i am against are people like you who have the opposite problem. the ones that conjure up images of boogeymen comng here to take our jobs and rape our white women. it seems your worldview may be the clouded one.

liberal establishment? please. i can sit all day and busy myself with limbaugh and beck and hannity and you call this the liberal establishment? again, your worldview seems to be the clouded one.

nice try at dehumanizing those people who are 'running across the border in the middle of the night', as if there were SOOO many other groups that could describe.

get well soon, buddy

smokeymcpotz said:

i wasnt gonna post this because its kind of a low blow but proof of how illegals here screws americans... a few nights ago i was in a car accident... i was side swipe by a big cargo van into my 06 cadillac cts.. it wasnt my fault so by normal standard id b compinsated but because he was an illegal i may jus end up screwd... FACT!

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unless you pay the extra $0.50 a month for uninsured/underinsured motorist protection. normally comes standard on any policy. check your policy

G goosh never thought of that but i dont have all that fannncy book learnin like u does.... hey could u read this to me.....

Imagine being 27 years old, beautiful, gainfully employed making good money, and then one day your whole world gets turned upside down because you live in a state that refuses to enforce the law. You lose your job and life changes dramatically.
On May 28, 2002, the aforementioned young woman was rear ended on the freeway in LA. Since she was stopped because of another accident right next to her lane, this victim took the entire brunt of the forceful impact. The driver who hit her car turned out to be an uninsured Mexican, possibly an illegal, who attends UCLA and continues to drive the streets. Specialized medical treatment for this victim ran $375.00 per hour - up front.
Our victim then receives months of medical attention and on the way to her final appointment of specialized treatment, November 8, 2002, she is rear ended again at a stop sign. This driver is insured, but her mini van striking the car, reinjures the young woman. This driver's insurance company balks at paying any medical to the person their insured rear ended.
Our victim is still getting physical therapy, trying to recover from this battering to her body. On February 21, 2003, she is then broad sided by an illegal Mexican with no insurance who runs a red light. Thankfully, this uninsured illegal hit the passenger side of the vehicle. The damage is extensive this time. This illegal driver with no insurance has skipped back across the border, leaving behind the carnage of a battered body that is in constant pain.
Our victim has uninsured motorist coverage, but the insurance company, realizing they are going to be on the hook for settlement money as provided for in our victim's policy, is not cooperating. The parents of our battered victim then cough up five grand to retain legal counsel to protect her rights regarding settlements for these accidents; none have been settled yet.
guess when it comes to dem there illegals even a policy is no guarantee....lesson learned

The NAACP is nothing but a bunch of fucking whinners wanting reparations for slavery and the further spreading of the White Guilt Syndrome in this country.


Yeah UB this is what La Raza is all about and it is No fucking good.







To most of the mainstream media, most members of Congress, and even many of their own members, the National Council of La Raza is no more than a Hispanic Rotary Club.

But the National Council of La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions.

The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for "housing reform," while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.

abe23 said:

Not really....

I'm just observing that every thread about immigration ends up being a couple of people shouting about how they don't like it that half their town speaks spanish and how there's a lot of mexicans hanging in front of home depot. I figured we could just cut right to the chase and skip all that bs about how it's only the 'illegal ones' we don't like....

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Oh get out of here. Everybody had a problem with the italians when they were flooding the country after the war. I'm fairly certain they all bubbled in white and caucasean. The only difference, now, is 24/7 news channels and the internet harp on it all day long.

Mindmelted said:

The NAACP is nothing but a bunch of fucking whinners wanting reparations for slavery and the further spreading of the White Guilt Syndrome in this country.


Yeah UB this is what La Raza is all about and it is No fucking good.







To most of the mainstream media, most members of Congress, and even many of their own members, the National Council of La Raza is no more than a Hispanic Rotary Club.

But the National Council of La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions.

The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for "housing reform," while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.

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RIU never ceases to amaze me with the stupidity of some...I guess mindmelted Martin Luther King was just some black man complaining...Dude you got the right name.. for your Mind is truly Melted

Founded Feb. 12. 1909, the NAACP is the nation's oldest, largest and most widely recognized grassroots–based civil rights organization. Its more than half-million members and supporters throughout the United States and the world are the premier advocates for civil rights in their communities, conducting voter mobilization and monitoring equal opportunity in the public and private sectors.

Yeah okay...

Seems you friend are the one with the right name.

Because a fog is in your brain for sure dude.