i think this study is full of shit.....

curious2garden

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The problem in this instance is the Chinese scientist "Dr. He" went rogue. He defied current ethical standards, and in secret, performed what is universally considered unethical treatment. The system of ethics exists. Apparently he has been shut down by the Chinese gov't. Now whether or not the Chi-gov is truly angry about the ethical violation or just embarrassed about the heat that was wrought is something we don't know yet. The point is that, there is no system that is infallible; the ethical standards are there in place, there is the horror and consternation about the violation. Internationally Dr. He's name is mud. Look, murders and bank robberies are wrong yet they frequently occur; when discovered they are dealt with.
Precisely, there are ethical standards in place but they are not the purview of the pure researcher. You can't rule on the ethics of your own research, it is an external system. All data has value but the morality of the value doesn't enter the actual research arena.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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All data has value but the morality of the value doesn't enter the actual research arena.
i realize information is neutral, it's never good or bad, it just is what it is. for the purposes of this conversation, information doesn't even exist if we aren't here to interpret it (yes, i know the universe existed without us for a long time, and will for a long time after we're gone, and that information always has and always will exist. i'm speaking withing the framework of how it effects humans in general.) once human beings become aware of information, they will start to imagine how to use it. some of them are good, ethical people with a strong sense of right and wrong. some of them aren't. once information exists, (as far as we are concerned) it is constantly and ceaselessly effecting people. maybe this whole argument was a misunderstanding over semantics......as far as i can see, information is an inert thing, but the people who discover information are anything but inert, some are good people, some are bad people, and some are careless.....and there should be a strong moral and ethical code in place, to keep information from being misused, and abused.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
i realize information is neutral, it's never good or bad, it just is what it is. for the purposes of this conversation, information doesn't even exist if we aren't here to interpret it (yes, i know the universe existed without us for a long time, and will for a long time after we're gone, and that information always has and always will exist. i'm speaking withing the framework of how it effects humans in general.) once human beings become aware of information, they will start to imagine how to use it. some of them are good, ethical people with a strong sense of right and wrong. some of them aren't. once information exists, (as far as we are concerned) it is constantly and ceaselessly effecting people. maybe this whole argument was a misunderstanding over semantics......as far as i can see, information is an inert thing, but the people who discover information are anything but inert, some are good people, some are bad people, and some are careless.....and there should be a strong moral and ethical code in place, to keep information from being misused, and abused.
There is a system in place. As Annie, Malt and I have pointed out, it applies to how we use what science tells us. Your previous unwillingness to grasp the distinction between what science teaches us and what we do with it (which equals technology plus policy) has been the beginning and end of our current disagreement.
 

2rollingstoned

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Smoked since 1973, takes a lot to get me buzzed, even after taking breaks. I definitely get stoned to the bone using my volcano. Inhale a couple of bags from that thang and I am flying.

I never seem to break the habit of smoking joints. Its always gonna be my fave but when we travel/road trips in the car where I can take the volcano that's the only way we toke up at hotels because of the no smell factor.

Got charged 300 fine at a hotel about a year ago cause they said my room reeked of weed, even tho I burned incense and stuffed towels under the door. So now I vape ONLY at these uncool establishments :D
 

Singlemalt

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i realize information is neutral, it's never good or bad, it just is what it is. for the purposes of this conversation, information doesn't even exist if we aren't here to interpret it (yes, i know the universe existed without us for a long time, and will for a long time after we're gone, and that information always has and always will exist. i'm speaking withing the framework of how it effects humans in general.) once human beings become aware of information, they will start to imagine how to use it. some of them are good, ethical people with a strong sense of right and wrong. some of them aren't. once information exists, (as far as we are concerned) it is constantly and ceaselessly effecting people. maybe this whole argument was a misunderstanding over semantics......as far as i can see, information is an inert thing, but the people who discover information are anything but inert, some are good people, some are bad people, and some are careless.....and there should be a strong moral and ethical code in place, to keep information from being misused, and abused.
Roger, I think it is semantics, look
1) Dr. He is not a "researcher", he discovered absolutely nothing new. The CRSPR procedure has been around for a few years and the ethics of it's use was hashed around and settled upon back then. It has been known that it could be used for unethical means. He went rogue, perhaps due to ego and wanting to let the genie out, perhaps by tacit gov't ok. He wanted the flash and notoriety which is why no one who went to the conference was aware. "Surprise, surprise, look what I did". Had he done what every other presenter is required to do(submitted an abstract); he'd have been burned down way before the conference. My point is the ethical system is in place. He broke convention (law; just like any mundane criminal).
2) His research is incomplete, he'll break ethics and Laws to complete it. The embryos he treated were implanted, gestated and born; some where there are 2 living twin babies. He will knowingly have to inject/expose them to HIV just to see if the technique worked. The whole thing was a dumb stupid move
 

tyler.durden

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Two things - The Crisper-CAS9 discovery is one of the most awesome discoveries of my lifetime, and I just found out about it a couple of months ago. I also dig the soap opera around the two camps that want the credit for the discovery, very interesting. As soon as I understood the techniques, I thought, 'Gattaca', the major step of taking control of our own evolution. As awesome as it will be to give our offspring amazing advantages ('I'd like my kid to be a tall, black male with no tendency to obesity, any known genetic diseases, intelligent with a propensity for longevity.' No problem, sir, coming right up), and improve our own existing RNA/DNA, one could see endless potential for abuses (i.e. super soldiers, etc.). As pointed out here, any powerful scientific discovery will be both used and abused. The hope is that the gains will outweigh the losses, which I think is almost always the case.

The other thing is this rogue doc has the fortune to be named 'He'. Who the fuck is responsible for this abomination??? "He is!" 'Who?' "He! Right over there!" 'Who, him?' "No, He!" They could hide the doc for months while everyone plays Who's on First ;)


 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Two things - The Crisper-CAS9 discovery is one of the most awesome discoveries of my lifetime, and I just found out about it a couple of months ago. I also dig the soap opera around the two camps that want the credit for the discovery, very interesting. As soon as I understood the techniques, I thought, 'Gattaca', the major step of taking control of our own evolution. As awesome as it will be to give our offspring amazing advantages ('I'd like my kid to be a tall, black male with no tendency to obesity, any known genetic diseases, intelligent with a propensity for longevity.' No problem, sir, coming right up), and improve our own existing RNA/DNA, one could see endless potential for abuses (i.e. super soldiers, etc.). As pointed out here, any powerful scientific discovery will be both used and abused. The hope is that the gains will outweigh the losses, which I think is almost always the case.

The other thing is this rogue doc has the fortune to be named 'He'. Who the fuck is responsible for this abomination??? "He is!" 'Who?' "He! Right over there!" 'Who, him?' "No, He!" They could hide the doc for months while everyone plays Who's on First ;)
Your kid sounds awesome. Make him gay.
 

kelly4

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I once walked into a room to see a 50 something year old man hanging from a sex swing suspend to the ceiling with globs of petroleum jelly on his butthole. Worst part was he made eye contact and smiled at me. First and last time I went to the power exchange in sf. Funny thing is someone from this site recommended I go there... fuck no, I'm into weird shit but that was gross.
Were you expecting someone younger?
 

godboss

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https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/legal-pot/vaping-pot-more-powerful-smoking-it-study-finds-n942271

i've been smoking weed for 40 years, on and off....a lot more on than off.
i tried vaping 5 years ago, looked up how to make the juice, made it a few different ways, some people i let try it said it was as good or better than what they made with wax liquidizer or similar products. didn't do fuck all to me, was a waste of my time....i could drain the battery, and the better part of a tank of fluid, and barely feel it. about 2 years ago, i tried again, this time buying both wax liquidizer, and ej mix...same thing, just a waste of my time, i'd get higher sitting in a room with someone else smoking......
so how is this getting more thc into my system? and if it is, why the fuck doesn't it get me high? i realize i'm one individual, but weed definitely gets me high, so if vaping gets more thc into your system, wtf doesn't this get me high?
at all....not even slightly less, more like 90% less....
if they can repeat this test and get the same results, i guess i'll believe it, but it'll never make any sense to me.....cause as far as i'm concerned, vaping is a total waste of time and weed
Have to agree Roger!..bongs beat vapes..hands down..taste the herb and better on a big pipe.
 

Bareback

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Sorry I'm late to the party but.... I'll go ahead and throw my experience in. I get more stoned from flower ( rolled, packed in a bowl ) I've tried vape pens from dispensaries with only a mild buzz effect, edibles from multiple sources with only a mild buzz if any while my friends ( who are also regular smokers ) would get blitz. I fill like there's definitely better vapes than the ones I tried, but I have yet to get my hands on them. I too would love to have a way to get high with out stinking up a whole county.

Sucks to be me, it just doesn't seem fair.
 
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