i think this study is full of shit.....

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 1, 2018

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/legal-pot/vaping-pot-more-powerful-smoking-it-study-finds-n942271

i've been smoking weed for 40 years, on and off....a lot more on than off.
i tried vaping 5 years ago, looked up how to make the juice, made it a few different ways, some people i let try it said it was as good or better than what they made with wax liquidizer or similar products. didn't do fuck all to me, was a waste of my time....i could drain the battery, and the better part of a tank of fluid, and barely feel it. about 2 years ago, i tried again, this time buying both wax liquidizer, and ej mix...same thing, just a waste of my time, i'd get higher sitting in a room with someone else smoking......
so how is this getting more thc into my system? and if it is, why the fuck doesn't it get me high? i realize i'm one individual, but weed definitely gets me high, so if vaping gets more thc into your system, wtf doesn't this get me high?
at all....not even slightly less, more like 90% less....
if they can repeat this test and get the same results, i guess i'll believe it, but it'll never make any sense to me.....cause as far as i'm concerned, vaping is a total waste of time and weed

jonsmith2012ad · Dec 1, 2018

I have to agree totally. I’ve been smoking for about 15 years now. I have tried several different types of vapes from liquid with wax to the volcano to several portable dry herb/wax vapes. I felt some off of the wax but it’s definitely not ever as strong as smoking. If it was close that would probably be the way I’d got most of the time for pure convenience. I suspect nbc/Comcast may have some interest in vaping lol

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 1, 2018

jonsmith2012ad said:
I suspect nbc/Comcast may have some interest in vaping lol

that didn't even occur to me, but it's not outside the realm of possibility....

jonsmith2012ad · Dec 1, 2018

Roger A. Shrubber said:
that didn't even occur to me, but it's not outside the realm of possibility....

The media is funny the local news station here is always having stories on their app about how the natural gas industry is doing so much for communities in Oklahoma, has nothing to do with the fact that the owner of the channel is on the board of directors at a local energy company lol

tangerinegreen555 · Dec 1, 2018

Oh no, not another conspiracy theory thread, please!

Get a dab rig with an e-nail, heat that bitch up, drop some 80%-90% THC distilled oil in there, hit it 2 or 3 times and then get in your car and see if you can drive fast.

Or if you can even get key into the cylinder.

Blue Wizard · Dec 1, 2018

tangerinegreen555 said:
Oh no, not another conspiracy theory thread, please!

Get a dab rig with an e-nail, heat that bitch up, drop some 80%-90% THC distilled oil in there, hit it 2 or 3 times and then get in your car and see if you can drive fast.

Or if you can even get key into the cylinder.

Get in my car? I don't think I could get off the floor after that.

Jimmyjonestoo · Dec 1, 2018

I haven't smoked much actual flower ever since I started picking up the tanks. Definitely gets me high.

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 1, 2018

tangerinegreen555 said:
Oh no, not another conspiracy theory thread, please!

Get a dab rig with an e-nail, heat that bitch up, drop some 80%-90% THC distilled oil in there, hit it 2 or 3 times and then get in your car and see if you can drive fast.

Or if you can even get key into the cylinder.

they aren't talking about dabbing. they're talking about vaping...as far as i'm concerned, two very different things

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 1, 2018

i've actually experimented. i've used dry herb vapers, smoked a .5 gram bowl, the regular way. put .5 grams in the vaper a couple of hours later....no comparison....the vaper was weak....
i've made vape juice with VG, PG, PEG, wax liquidizer, and ej blend. i've shared it with other people, so i would have a little control to compare against. they all said it was good....i say it was weak......
i REALLY like getting high before i go deal with people, i REALLY want to be able to have a unit in my pocket i can hit pretty much at will, wherever i am.....i REALLY want vaping to work for me....i'm not looking for it to fail, i'm hoping for it to succeed, but so far, i've been disappointed. which makes me think this study is flawed.....or maybe it's just my head that's flawed ?

macsnax · Dec 1, 2018

Roger A. Shrubber said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/legal-pot/vaping-pot-more-powerful-smoking-it-study-finds-n942271

i've been smoking weed for 40 years, on and off....a lot more on than off.
i tried vaping 5 years ago, looked up how to make the juice, made it a few different ways, some people i let try it said it was as good or better than what they made with wax liquidizer or similar products. didn't do fuck all to me, was a waste of my time....i could drain the battery, and the better part of a tank of fluid, and barely feel it. about 2 years ago, i tried again, this time buying both wax liquidizer, and ej mix...same thing, just a waste of my time, i'd get higher sitting in a room with someone else smoking......
so how is this getting more thc into my system? and if it is, why the fuck doesn't it get me high? i realize i'm one individual, but weed definitely gets me high, so if vaping gets more thc into your system, wtf doesn't this get me high?
at all....not even slightly less, more like 90% less....
if they can repeat this test and get the same results, i guess i'll believe it, but it'll never make any sense to me.....cause as far as i'm concerned, vaping is a total waste of time and weed

I'm in the same boat. Vape juice doesn't have the same buzz at all. I like it because I can hit my vape pen at work and there's not much smell, and I don't get too blasted. I do too much math at work to be floating around in outer space.

macsnax · Dec 1, 2018

You can take a winterized extract and add only terpens and mix, that's going to be your most potent mix. 1 gram to .5 to .8 of terps. That less than a 1:1 ratio.

cannabineer · Dec 1, 2018

The embedded link in the news story is the paydirt here.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2716990

This is a study that directly addresses the effects of cannabis without any of the previously-ubiquitous "pot is BAD" rhetoric. Such studies are essential in bringing orderly and relevant regulation to the emerging cannabis marketplace.

I found it especially interesting that in the population studied (infrequent cannabis users) the correlation between objective drug plasma levels and subjective drug effects was weakly to not correlated.
This means that we will need something other than a drug-level test for, e.g., roadside DUI stops.

Studies like this are vital to the integration of cannabis use into the legal and commercial framework of our society and economy. Thus I am disinclined to agree with the complaints in the OP.

Bodyne · Dec 1, 2018

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i've actually experimented. i've used dry herb vapers, smoked a .5 gram bowl, the regular way. put .5 grams in the vaper a couple of hours later....no comparison....the vaper was weak....
i've made vape juice with VG, PG, PEG, wax liquidizer, and ej blend. i've shared it with other people, so i would have a little control to compare against. they all said it was good....i say it was weak......
i REALLY like getting high before i go deal with people, i REALLY want to be able to have a unit in my pocket i can hit pretty much at will, wherever i am.....i REALLY want vaping to work for me....i'm not looking for it to fail, i'm hoping for it to succeed, but so far, i've been disappointed. which makes me think this study is flawed.....or maybe it's just my head that's flawed ?

Been vaping since the fishbowl days, its the same for me. Even tried the newer vapes and carts out of rocky place and you do get a good headrush and buzz for 15 mins or so, pretty good one, then gone. Nothing like actual smoking. I guess it might be our heads, lol.

curious2garden · Dec 1, 2018

cannabineer said:
The embedded link in the news story is the paydirt here.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2716990

This is a study that directly addresses the effects of cannabis without any of the previously-ubiquitous "pot is BAD" rhetoric. Such studies are essential in bringing orderly and relevant regulation to the emerging cannabis marketplace.

I found it especially interesting that in the population studied (infrequent cannabis users) the correlation between objective drug plasma levels and subjective drug effects was weakly to not correlated.
This means that we will need something other than a drug-level test for, e.g., roadside DUI stops.

Studies like this are vital to the integration of cannabis use into the legal and commercial framework of our society and economy. Thus I am disinclined to agree with the complaints in the OP.

I love it contained a get out of jail card in it. We are finally grappling with actual legalization.

cannabineer · Dec 1, 2018

curious2garden said:
I love it contained a get out of jail card in it. We are finally grappling with actual legalization.

Yes, and with real parameters! The investigators highlighted two very important points.
1) We need to objectively evaluate novel means of administration, like vaping.
2) We need to do studies that include chronic, tolerant cannabis users. As we know, that is a whole 'nother situation than the occasional, drug-naive users in this initial study.

tangerinegreen555 · Dec 1, 2018

cannabineer said:
The embedded link in the news story is the paydirt here.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2716990

This is a study that directly addresses the effects of cannabis without any of the previously-ubiquitous "pot is BAD" rhetoric. Such studies are essential in bringing orderly and relevant regulation to the emerging cannabis marketplace.

I found it especially interesting that in the population studied (infrequent cannabis users) the correlation between objective drug plasma levels and subjective drug effects was weakly to not correlated.
This means that we will need something other than a drug-level test for, e.g., roadside DUI stops.

Studies like this are vital to the integration of cannabis use into the legal and commercial framework of our society and economy. Thus I am disinclined to agree with the complaints in the OP.

I still remember being in a business law class in 1972 when a hippie girl in a tie dyed T shirt asked the prof when smoking weed will be legal.

"Not before the cops have a test to determine if you're currently under the influence."

cannabineer · Dec 1, 2018

tangerinegreen555 said:
I still remember being in a business law class in 1972 when a hippie girl in a tie dyed T shirt asked the prof when smoking weed will be legal.

"Not before the cops have a test to determine if you're currently under the influence."

Bingo! Studies like this one are the leading edge of parametrizing legal cannabis use.

curious2garden · Dec 1, 2018

cannabineer said:
Yes, and with real parameters! The investigators highlighted two very important points.
1) We need to objectively evaluate novel means of administration, like vaping.
2) We need to do studies that include chronic, tolerant cannabis users. As we know, that is a whole 'nother situation than the occasional, drug-naive users in this initial study.

We need to study and objectively define what cannabis inebriation actually is and then come up with an accurate means and method of testing.

curious2garden · Dec 1, 2018

tangerinegreen555 said:
I still remember being in a business law class in 1972 when a hippie girl in a tie dyed T shirt asked the prof when smoking weed will be legal.

"Not before the cops have a test to determine if you're currently under the influence."

Precisely and we are finally having that conversation. There was no demonization of cannabis in that article either.

cannabineer · Dec 1, 2018

curious2garden said:
Precisely and we are finally having that conversation. There was no demonization of cannabis in that article either.

Next part of the study is cannabinizing some demons.

"I'm Beelzebub, and I vape."

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