i think this study is full of shit.....

jerryb73

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Roger A. Shrubber

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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900044722/utah-researcher-says-premature-use-of-embryonic-gene-editing-shocking.html

here's a story for Canna...who doesn't think there is room for morals or ethics in science. seems the rest of the scientific community doesn't agree with you...except for the ones ignoring the consequences of their decisions.....consequences that could effect the entire race....but hey, that's ok, because it's furthering science....doesn't matter that it might kill us all, might cause rampant mutations....who the fuck knows what it will do? i bet Canna does, because he's fucking infallible, and doesn't need to be accountable, as long as it's science......
 

cannabineer

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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900044722/utah-researcher-says-premature-use-of-embryonic-gene-editing-shocking.html

here's a story for Canna...who doesn't think there is room for morals or ethics in science. seems the rest of the scientific community doesn't agree with you...except for the ones ignoring the consequences of their decisions.....consequences that could effect the entire race....but hey, that's ok, because it's furthering science....doesn't matter that it might kill us all, might cause rampant mutations....who the fuck knows what it will do? i bet Canna does, because he's fucking infallible, and doesn't need to be accountable, as long as it's science......
I never said there were no ethics in how people do science.

I said that ethics are not properly the scientist's purview. In the case of biomedical research, there are the bioethics committees. This researcher deliberately avoided bioethical review.. From the article:

"While He's research has yet to be validated, and reportedly was carried out covertly, "
it is clear that this researcher chose to do ethically questionable research and made effort to conceal it.

So you provide us with another example of you
1) not understanding what the article was about, and
2) reading about some Utah professor's personal feelings of moral horror and mistaking it for the science.

It becomes tiresome to dismantle your personal attacks on me to find the comprehension fail underlying each instance. But it appears to be a necessary service as long as you will raise the banner of straw-man argument in the service of a claim I and others have repeatedly shown to be broken.

ceterum censeo: should have left me on ignore
 
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mr sunshine

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I cannot like, or unsee, that. So very, very disturbing...
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tyler.durden

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I once walked into a room to see a 50 something year old man hanging from a sex swing suspend to the ceiling with globs of petroleum jelly on his butthole. Worst part was he made eye contact and smiled at me. First and last time I went to the power exchange in sf. Funny thing is someone from this site recommended I go there... fuck no, I'm into weird shit but that was gross.

I think I gave you that recommendation. Sorry, I thought you'd be into it. Dude in the swing was Dan, he's good people...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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this isn't changing a fucking thing. someone told me there is no room for morals or ethics in science. i told him i thought there not only was room for it, i thought it was necessary. since then, i've been ridiculed, abused, and condescended to. and i do not care.
i still think that people who work in a "scientific" field have a moral and ethical responsibility to deal with the facts they uncover in a responsible way. that's been my entire point, this whole time. if that makes me an ignorant redneck, that you feel like you can ridicule, go ahead, it's not going to change my opinion one iota.
that's it, i said people working in a scientific field have a responsibility to apply some moral and ethical decision making to the process. so now i get memes of neil degrasse tyson and "SCIENCE" thrown in my face.... so you get to be a member of a community as long as you agree with everything the older popular members say? roll over and kiss their ass? well fuck the community if that's one of the requirements....
 
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cannabineer

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This is the point, Roger, at which you are inserting your feelings into a discussion of the facts. Science is all fact. The moral and ethical issues associated are not factual. They necessarily invoke the subjective element, as moral and ethical issues recruit our opinions, feelings and emotions in a way that facts never can.

The illustration of this is the article that you posted, which was about a Utah professor's moral horror at a technical application of genetic science. Technical applications have a direct effect on human doings, so ethics and morals belong in that discussion.

But it is important to distinguish between pure science, which is morally neutral, and applied science, which benefits from the attention of ethics boards. Applied science becomes our technology.

A good illustration is nuclear fission. That is science. The atom bomb is a technology. Nuclear fission is fact. Making bombs is technology. Deploying them is policy. However the popular treatment of the history of the bombs, and the publicized moral qualms of some of the scientists and engineers who worked on them, has done the disservice of implying that the science, not the technology or policy, is beholden to moral and ethical opinion.

This is your basic fail, and the stubbornness with which you cling to it is why you are receiving derision. There is no loyalty/popularity test. Your anger keeps you from separating fact from opinion, at which point you fail the real test: verity. It is for this and for the personal attacks you are making based on your feelings that you are receiving ridicule. On my end, it isn't personal.
 

Singlemalt

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The problem in this instance is the Chinese scientist "Dr. He" went rogue. He defied current ethical standards, and in secret, performed what is universally considered unethical treatment. The system of ethics exists. Apparently he has been shut down by the Chinese gov't. Now whether or not the Chi-gov is truly angry about the ethical violation or just embarrassed about the heat that was wrought is something we don't know yet. The point is that, there is no system that is infallible; the ethical standards are there in place, there is the horror and consternation about the violation. Internationally Dr. He's name is mud. Look, murders and bank robberies are wrong yet they frequently occur; when discovered they are dealt with.
 
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