I smoked a sativa but felt sleepy??

jimihendrix1

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Subspecies chinensis
Hillig’s third grouping within C. indica is subspecies chinensis which comprises the traditional East Asian fiber and seed cultivars which we call broad-leaf hemp or BLH. Like other subspecies of C. indica, chinensis varieties possess the genetic potential to produce psychoactive THC, but East Asian cultural constraints encouraged the selection of these varieties for their economically valuable fiber and seed rather than their psychoactive potential. Asian and European cultures have many similar uses for hemp fiber and seed.

Subspecies kafiristanica
The fourth subspecies C. indica ssp. kafiristanica includes spontaneously growing feral or wild populations, and Hillig hypothesized that it might be the narrow-leaf drug ancestor or NLDA.

The ruderalis debate
Some researchers have also suggested a third species C. ruderalis as the progenitor of both C. sativa and C. indica. Evolutionary theory predicts that there must once have been a common ruderalis-like ancestor of the two modern species, but it has most likely become extinct, and proposed groupings NLHA and NLDA represent feral populations of NLH and NLD respectively rather than ancestors. C. sativa NLH likely originated in a temperate region of western Eurasia—possibly in the foothills of the Caucasus Mountains—from a putative hemp ancestor or PHA which lacked the biosynthetic potential to produce THC. C. indica likely originated in the Hengduan Mountain range—in present-day southwestern China—from a putative drug ancestor or PDA which had evolved the ability to make THC. This PDA would then have diversified as it was spread by humans to different geographical regions where it further evolved into NLD, BLD and BLH subspecies, all of which make THC and complex suites of aromatic terpenes. These subspecies of C. indica are the source of all psychoactive Cannabis found today. So, when we talk about psychoactive Cannabis we mean C. indica as there are no drug “sativa” varieties. What people commonly refer to as “sativas” are really C. indica ssp. indica and for convenience should be called narrow-leaf drug or NLD varieties. And, what are commonly referred to as “indicas” truly are C. indica ssp. afghanica broad-leaf drug or simply BLD varieties.



Present-day distribution of Cannabis taxa (From Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany)\

Heirloom landrace cultivars
Cultivated crop plant varieties are called cultivars, and when cultivars are grown and maintained by local farmers we refer to them as landrace cultivars or landraces. Landraces evolve in a balance between natural selective pressures exerted by the local environment—favoring survival—and human selections favoring a cultivar’s ability to both thrive under cultivation and to produce particular culturally preferred end products. Early humans spread Cannabis as they migrated, and at each new location selected seed from superior plants within these early populations, those appropriate for their own individual uses and processing methods. By sowing seeds from the most favorable individuals, traditional farmers developed and maintained the high-quality landraces upon which the home-grown marijuana industry was founded.


Traditional sinsemilla landraces from faraway Asian countries like India, Nepal, Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam; African landraces from South Africa, Malawi, Zimbabwe, and more; as well as New World landraces from Colombia, Panama, Jamaica, and Mexico are all NLD varieties. Hybrids between imported NLD landrace varieties formed the core genome of domestically produced marijuana in both North America and Europe before the introduction of BLD landraces from Afghanistan in the late 1970s.

Cannabis Today
Presently, almost all modern drug Cannabis varieties are hybrids between members of two C. indica subspecies: subspecies indica, representing the traditional and geographically widespread NLD landrace marijuana varieties, and subspecies afghanica, representing the geographically limited BLD hashish landraces of Afghanistan. It is through combining landraces from such geographically isolated and genetically diverse populations that the great variety of modern-day hybrid recreational and medical Cannabis varieties blossomed.


Unfortunately, we cannot return today to a region previously known for its fine Cannabis and expect to find the same landraces that were growing there decades before. Cannabis is open-pollinated, with male and female flowers borne on separate plants, and therefore to produce a seed usually two plants must be involved. Random combinations of alleles and accompanying variation are to be expected. Cannabis landrace varieties are a work in progress. They are maintained by repeated natural and human selection in situ—nature selecting for survival and humans selecting for beneficial traits—and without persistent human selection and maintenance they drift back to their atavistic, naturally selected survival level.

Preserving the legacy
The western world turned on to imported marijuana and hashish in the 1960s and all the amazing imported varieties available then were traditionally maintained landraces. Within a decade the demand for quality drug Cannabis exceeded traditional supplies, and mass production in the absence of selection became the rule. Rather than planting only select seeds, farmers began to sow all their seeds in an effort to supply market demand, and the quality of commercially available drug Cannabis began to fall. This decline in quality was exacerbated by pressure on Cannabis production and use from law enforcement branches of most governments worldwide. Landraces can no longer be replaced, they can only be preserved. The few remaining pure landrace varieties in existence now, kept alive since the 70s and 80s, are the keys to future developments in drug Cannabis breeding and evolution. It will be a continuing shame to lose the best results of hundreds of years of selection by local farmers. After all, our role should be as caretakers preserving the legacy of traditional farmers for future generations.
 

Scaccia450

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:eyesmoke:Whoa Whoa Whoa!!!! Guys!! I got to try Blue dream the other day and whoa What a good sativa this is. 3.5 g and what a strain this was. I felt so happy and ceberal energize and not sedetative. Next strain going to try ither Tangerine dream or maui wowie. Defently going for Maui wowie read and did good research and its a very op sativa defently.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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the whole sativa / indica thing is kind of horseshit....
there are no magic chemicals that are present in one and not in the other....
do a chemical analysis and they'll have different ratios of the same things in them...like all strains of weed.
some will have more of this terpene and less of that one, more cbd, less cbn...
and it's not consistent. one strain can have more of this or that than the same strain grown under different conditions.
i've smoked sativas that put my lights out and indicas that made my mind soar....
 

ColoradoHighGrower

Well-Known Member
Subspecies chinensis
Hillig’s third grouping within C. indica is subspecies chinensis which comprises the traditional East Asian fiber and seed cultivars which we call broad-leaf hemp or BLH. Like other subspecies of C. indica, chinensis varieties possess the genetic potential to produce psychoactive THC, but East Asian cultural constraints encouraged the selection of these varieties for their economically valuable fiber and seed rather than their psychoactive potential. Asian and European cultures have many similar uses for hemp fiber and seed.

Subspecies kafiristanica
The fourth subspecies C. indica ssp. kafiristanica includes spontaneously growing feral or wild populations, and Hillig hypothesized that it might be the narrow-leaf drug ancestor or NLDA.

The ruderalis debate
Some researchers have also suggested a third species C. ruderalis as the progenitor of both C. sativa and C. indica. Evolutionary theory predicts that there must once have been a common ruderalis-like ancestor of the two modern species, but it has most likely become extinct, and proposed groupings NLHA and NLDA represent feral populations of NLH and NLD respectively rather than ancestors. C. sativa NLH likely originated in a temperate region of western Eurasia—possibly in the foothills of the Caucasus Mountains—from a putative hemp ancestor or PHA which lacked the biosynthetic potential to produce THC. C. indica likely originated in the Hengduan Mountain range—in present-day southwestern China—from a putative drug ancestor or PDA which had evolved the ability to make THC. This PDA would then have diversified as it was spread by humans to different geographical regions where it further evolved into NLD, BLD and BLH subspecies, all of which make THC and complex suites of aromatic terpenes. These subspecies of C. indica are the source of all psychoactive Cannabis found today. So, when we talk about psychoactive Cannabis we mean C. indica as there are no drug “sativa” varieties. What people commonly refer to as “sativas” are really C. indica ssp. indica and for convenience should be called narrow-leaf drug or NLD varieties. And, what are commonly referred to as “indicas” truly are C. indica ssp. afghanica broad-leaf drug or simply BLD varieties.



Present-day distribution of Cannabis taxa (From Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany)\
Heirloom landrace cultivars
Cultivated crop plant varieties are called cultivars, and when cultivars are grown and maintained by local farmers we refer to them as landrace cultivars or landraces. Landraces evolve in a balance between natural selective pressures exerted by the local environment—favoring survival—and human selections favoring a cultivar’s ability to both thrive under cultivation and to produce particular culturally preferred end products. Early humans spread Cannabis as they migrated, and at each new location selected seed from superior plants within these early populations, those appropriate for their own individual uses and processing methods. By sowing seeds from the most favorable individuals, traditional farmers developed and maintained the high-quality landraces upon which the home-grown marijuana industry was founded.


Traditional sinsemilla landraces from faraway Asian countries like India, Nepal, Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam; African landraces from South Africa, Malawi, Zimbabwe, and more; as well as New World landraces from Colombia, Panama, Jamaica, and Mexico are all NLD varieties. Hybrids between imported NLD landrace varieties formed the core genome of domestically produced marijuana in both North America and Europe before the introduction of BLD landraces from Afghanistan in the late 1970s.

Cannabis Today
Presently, almost all modern drug Cannabis varieties are hybrids between members of two C. indica subspecies: subspecies indica, representing the traditional and geographically widespread NLD landrace marijuana varieties, and subspecies afghanica, representing the geographically limited BLD hashish landraces of Afghanistan. It is through combining landraces from such geographically isolated and genetically diverse populations that the great variety of modern-day hybrid recreational and medical Cannabis varieties blossomed.


Unfortunately, we cannot return today to a region previously known for its fine Cannabis and expect to find the same landraces that were growing there decades before. Cannabis is open-pollinated, with male and female flowers borne on separate plants, and therefore to produce a seed usually two plants must be involved. Random combinations of alleles and accompanying variation are to be expected. Cannabis landrace varieties are a work in progress. They are maintained by repeated natural and human selection in situ—nature selecting for survival and humans selecting for beneficial traits—and without persistent human selection and maintenance they drift back to their atavistic, naturally selected survival level.

Preserving the legacy
The western world turned on to imported marijuana and hashish in the 1960s and all the amazing imported varieties available then were traditionally maintained landraces. Within a decade the demand for quality drug Cannabis exceeded traditional supplies, and mass production in the absence of selection became the rule. Rather than planting only select seeds, farmers began to sow all their seeds in an effort to supply market demand, and the quality of commercially available drug Cannabis began to fall. This decline in quality was exacerbated by pressure on Cannabis production and use from law enforcement branches of most governments worldwide. Landraces can no longer be replaced, they can only be preserved. The few remaining pure landrace varieties in existence now, kept alive since the 70s and 80s, are the keys to future developments in drug Cannabis breeding and evolution. It will be a continuing shame to lose the best results of hundreds of years of selection by local farmers. After all, our role should be as caretakers preserving the legacy of traditional farmers for future generations.
Very interesting! Thanks for posting this!!
 

Scaccia450

Well-Known Member
the whole sativa / indica thing is kind of horseshit....
there are no magic chemicals that are present in one and not in the other....
do a chemical analysis and they'll have different ratios of the same things in them...like all strains of weed.
some will have more of this terpene and less of that one, more cbd, less cbn...
and it's not consistent. one strain can have more of this or that than the same strain grown under different conditions.
i've smoked sativas that put my lights out and indicas that made my mind soar....
Not realy depends for example, tryed blue dream did not feel sleepy or couch lock. I felt ceberal and laughing and abit energetic, Though your right that some sativas could make you sleepy and knock you out for example smoked White shark sativa and I knocked out to bed. Also smoked a indica buddha sister I was ceberal and enegetetic abit, was suprised being a indica.

If you grow it your self in seed form for example a sativa strain it will be energetic
 

hawse

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FWIW, every OG Kush pheno I've tried except for one gave me a lot of energy with a lot of mental stuff... I got some freebies from sensibleseeds a while back. Also I've got some strains that have the thinnest leaves I've ever seen, but flowers in seven weeks and makes me sleepy... I agree that the whole indica/sativa debate is kinda pointless... Even the same strain harvested at different times can be completely different.... Although the early harvesting thing tends to make it more speedy, but at a price of higher bad side effects like paranoia IMO... your mileage may vary...
 

Scaccia450

Well-Known Member
FWIW, every OG Kush pheno I've tried except for one gave me a lot of energy with a lot of mental stuff... I got some freebies from sensibleseeds a while back. Also I've got some strains that have the thinnest leaves I've ever seen, but flowers in seven weeks and makes me sleepy... I agree that the whole indica/sativa debate is kinda pointless... Even the same strain harvested at different times can be completely different.... Although the early harvesting thing tends to make it more speedy, but at a price of higher bad side effects like paranoia IMO... your mileage may vary...
I would do mid harvest so its not to speedy but enough to wake you up
 

Scaccia450

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:shock: Ciao Guys!!, I have a fucked up, story to tell you. Yesterday I open my drawer and I had no weed left, I was dry :sad:, no weed left exept kief. I didnt want to use, I wanted to save it, for a better occasion. Anyways I decided to ask my brother, I told him my blue dream strain is finish, he was like, :o What you had blue dream? anways to make this short, I was dry and I asked him if he had any weed. He said yea Lets try my strain alien dawg, When I heard that I was like ok. We smoke it later, minutes of smoking, we you can say woke up, were siting on the floor for one hour, just staring each other. I was like Whoa what the fuck is going on? My bro laughs, I dont know to be honest I was wating to try this strain with you. because the name freeked me out, We tryed getting up, it was hard our body was numed and felt paralised :lol:. We go upstairs, I open my kitcheb cubboard and I almost passed out on the floor:shock:. Than I wake up Stairing the open kitchen cupboard. Aprently my bro, told me I was starinf for one hour, I was like :shock:, Than after minutes I told my bro im out, I run into bed. Felt sleepy has fuck and paranoid.:eyesmoke::shock:
 

Scaccia450

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You got it. Peeps are posting they want to explore Sativas and the first thing they type is, hybrid, dominant, shades of, etc.. IF YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE SATIVAS?..... SMOKE SATIVAS!!!!!. Grow yourself some land race Sativa, Panama Red, Acapulco Gold ( If it still exists? There is a bogus Acapulco Gold seed being sold.) Maui. Maybe some Hendrix or Marley favorites. Before Hydro everything in my part of the country was Sativa. It is a much different social experience than Kush. Occasionally rolling on the floor laughing happens, busting out laughing while being talked to happens, watching a 1959 western and rating it the best movie ever made happens. The realm of Sativa is FAB. Grow yourself into it. A new world may open for you.
I saw a strain called maui wowie what do you think is it a good sativa?
 

madvillian420

Well-Known Member
the whole sativa / indica thing is kind of horseshit....
there are no magic chemicals that are present in one and not in the other....
do a chemical analysis and they'll have different ratios of the same things in them...like all strains of weed.
some will have more of this terpene and less of that one, more cbd, less cbn...
and it's not consistent. one strain can have more of this or that than the same strain grown under different conditions.
i've smoked sativas that put my lights out and indicas that made my mind soar....
^this^... ive never smoked a strain that couldnt put me to sleep right after lol...and ive had hundreds over the years. i never felt "energized" from smoking. i read an article a while back about how the whole indica/sativa thing was marketing BS from the 80s-90s
 

ANC

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If you like a nice uplifting weed, you gotta get some chocolope.

The Blue dream likely worked for you as it never gets overly strong.
It is a pleasant weed but potency is not its forte.
 

Scaccia450

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If you like a nice uplifting weed, you gotta get some chocolope.

The Blue dream likely worked for you as it never gets overly strong.
It is a pleasant weed but potency is not its forte.
is it a energetic high this chocolope?
 

JohnDee

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ohh wish i can get one of those at the moment i can only get blue dream or delahaze wich one you think is more energetic? or are they both enrgetic?
I smoked Blue Dream earlier this week and found it to be quite energetic. Well for me...being an old fart with a slower metabolism.

I've smoked the original Panama Red and Columbian...among others. Sativas were all we got early 70s. And indeed they buzzed you good as well as being quite trippy.

Just wanted to touch base on an issue that I feel is pertinent. In Shamanic drug trance traditions...serious preparation was used. Fasting, meditation and dance.

If you smoke almost anything and then go eat half a pizza...it's gonna bring you down a bit.
JD
 

Scaccia450

Well-Known Member
I smoked Blue Dream earlier this week and found it to be quite energetic. Well for me...being an old fart with a slower metabolism.

I've smoked the original Panama Red and Columbian...among others. Sativas were all we got early 70s. And indeed they buzzed you good as well as being quite trippy.

Just wanted to touch base on an issue that I feel is pertinent. In Shamanic drug trance traditions...serious preparation was used. Fasting, meditation and dance.

If you smoke almost anything and then go eat half a pizza...it's gonna bring you down a bit.
JD
So true it is funny though.
 

Aussieaceae

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My 2cents,

I feel for the most part Sativas having a more "energetic high" to be pure hogwash.

There is a slight difference in effect for myself. I find most Sativa leaners get me thinking a little more, and a general happier buzz. The type of high that's great for sessions with friends.
Indica leaners tend to make me not think so much, and sometimes a little paranoid. But does a great job of slowing the mind down. Sometimes that's just what people need. (Sleeping, pain relief, wind down etc.)
All in all though, at the end of the day, whether Sativa or Indica it still makes me drowsy, sleepy, in the mood to sit down, just generally stoned.

An energetic marijuana strain imo, just doesn't exist, a cup of coffee will energize you far more.

While the high differs slightly, the effect is still the same. Still stoned.

Nothing wrong with being stoned, that's why i love this plant. All day toker myself, have been for years.

Give me the pepsi challenge though, Sativa or Indica on effects alone, it'd likely be a guess every time.
 

Scaccia450

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My 2cents,

I feel for the most part Sativas having a more "energetic high" to be pure hogwash.

There is a slight difference in effect for myself. I find most Sativa leaners get me thinking a little more, and a general happier buzz. The type of high that's great for sessions with friends.
Indica leaners tend to make me not think so much, and sometimes a little paranoid. But does a great job of slowing the mind down. Sometimes that's just what people need. (Sleeping, pain relief, wind down etc.)
All in all though, at the end of the day, whether Sativa or Indica it still makes me drowsy, sleepy, in the mood to sit down, just generally stoned.

An energetic marijuana strain imo, just doesn't exist, a cup of coffee will energize you far more.

While the high differs slightly, the effect is still the same. Still stoned.

Nothing wrong with being stoned, that's why i love this plant. All day toker myself, have been for years.

Give me the pepsi challenge though, Sativa or Indica on effects alone, it'd likely be a guess every time.
Ahh so you think no matter what strain it will make you sleepy just some less like sativa?
 
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