HPS KILLER Grow Journal

legallyflying said:

If you get 1.5 grams per watt of GOOD bud, Chuck and I will fly out to you and suck your dick. Just wear a rubber when Chuck blows you.

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I'll take you up on that in 2016, if that's a public offer. Chuck needs to wear a pig mask if I have to wear a jacket.

Hahaha makes it even more exciting! If I get two I want a rusty trombone

chuck estevez said:

I got nothing against L.E.D's, they just aren't HPS Killers, And most of the guys who use them think their shit don't stink, when they really just won't admit they are invested into the lights and that's why they defend them so much. They have made progress and may be the light of the future, but they are also finding out what we already knew, better stronger light= more heat, l.e.d or not

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Heat doesnt = Temperature....the bennefit of the LED in this set up are the massive heatsinks. The heat is dissipated so quickly that the temperature is not affected the way it would be with HID. I used to run hps, then started playing with cheaper chinese leds and then MARS II leds....then I started learning about these COBs.....Im running a similar set up with 12 cxb 3590's (36v) @ 1.4A in a 4x4 tent....on papper I have more light intensity than a 1000w HID in that grow space....Not claiming to kill a 1000w hps yet as its my first run with them, but I can say they are bright as hell and the tent stays within a few degrees of what ever the outside temp is. Only draw back is penetration to the lower canopy but grow style can make up for that. Over all imo so far.....My set up also gets about 56% efficiency as far light to watts where as a hps only gets around 20% if that. Also LEDS give off more usable light...I think the pros far out way the cons with LED. I would whole heartedly agree that most comercial LEDS suck, but the DIYs running COBS are pretty hard to beat. I have seen figures of 1 gpw to almost 2 gpw with some diy leds....things are changing faster than most realize when it comes to these leds

chuck estevez said:

highly invested, as i said, if you had spent the money on gavitas, you'd be talking up DE

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Nah probably not because if he did his research, seems he did he would realize de tech and any hid is old news and poor efficiency. Your just rattled your using old school tech and stuck in your ways. Gotta try and convince people you know what the deal is even though you've never tried it. If your as good as a grower as you claim maybe you should try one and see for yourself. Seems as though your pretty upset everyone else has done their research and you haven't. It's all here homie have a look instead of mouthing off to everyone who tries to tell you what the deal is

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But then simply be nice to him, there is no reason to be impolite. Whatever youre trying to say, will simply get overheard in the impoliteness. I dont know much about HPS, Im a general noob, but I really do enjoy the idea of building my lamp in accordance with my needs. Have a nice day. Genuity, I never felt, that I was being harsh. The troll was simply a reference to his "tree growing". Trolls live in forests.

What he built is 600 watts that is about equal to a 1000w HID in terms of light emitted. Technically it is a HPS killer if saving 400 watts is part of the equation but it that's not important then it's still equal to a 1000w, and will run above 90% output for over 5 years. Over the long run it will be less expensive. It will take even longer to get to LM70. HID is more expensive to use. Truth.

It's also saving 400 watts of heat. That's more money saved if the area needs to be cooled at all. Truth. A 1000w HID produces 400 more watts of heat than a 600w LED.

HID fans have been talking about LED being the future for so long they don't know it's already here.

chuck estevez said:

makin you idiots angry with the truth, Just look at idiots title, again, He invited me in with it, so Suck it

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For continued satisfaction go with superace 1kw hps HID with built in igniter. These bulbs have a return value at most retailers that distribute them.

How bout a price chart on your parts and total hours of labor.. I'm a week or so away from ordering some parts for a diy.

The light looks nice, nice job.

chuck estevez said:

lmk when hortilux or sunmaster or some reputable company puts out a plug and play l.e.d, until then, it's just toys and the same crap we have been hearing since the plurple lights you guys bragged so much about.

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That's like waiting until "a reputable" company like Pontiac comes out with an electric car, or waiting for Atari to put out an IBM-compatible PC. The companies that were leading the field yesterday may not be in charge tomorrow. They may not even exist. It is sort of like you're a stagecoach driver lashing out because of the imminent demise of the buggy whip industry, all civilized gentlemen receive their transit via horse, drivers of motorized carriages are ostentatious and motorcars are merely a fad, like the internet.

Getgrowingson said:

Well if I can get 2lbs off this run which is hard to get with a thoie with this strain I will say I killed an hps. I would be a 1.5ish gpw which I personally know only a few who are consistently doing 2lbs a thoie. Let alone anywhere near that g/w. I will give it my best shot. First time doing coco as well. I am a pure hydro kinda guy. Flood tables and lots of dwc. So lots of variables here. If I get over a g/w I'm still laughing so either way I can't loose. I have another 4x4 running as well with two xgs190s and two r/w150s in it. More wattage but smaller area. I put my light in a 5x5 because ultimately getting the results of a thoie while running 600w was my goal. And most run thoies in 5x5 so trying to replicate that.

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Every gardener running the right strain under a 1000 watt is doing 2 per a lamp. Super easy to do. If your doing og, then yea probably not. But a Blue, Or the old space queen or any larger yielding strain. Super easy.

LED isn't as standardized as HID and I understand it can be difficult to unravel the market. HID makes progress and updates their own standards. LED is a much wider field. To say LED means something specific in regards to performance is naive. There are LED lamps that are cheaper to run than current HID technology. Paying 5 dollars per par watt on a machine that will be maintenance free for 5-8 years and outputs 56% efficiency (such lamps are available for sale) is a good deal compared to 40-42% efficiency and buying bulbs and reflectors every year.

chuck estevez said:

keep trying to compare to My SUPERIOR DE

how does that song go again?

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I am just here to see the grow...
I am tuned in for updates and pics.

a mongo frog said:

Every gardener running the right strain under a 1000 watt is doing 2 per a lamp. Super easy to do. If your doing og, then yea probably not. But a Blue, Or the old space queen or any larger yielding strain. Super easy.

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Yeah.. But he is running GSC which yields pretty poorly..worse than OG

chuck estevez said:

keep trying to convince me a smart car is cool,LOL

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Tesla is the hottest car on the street.

My other tent is holy grail from DNA which also is an og cross and is not the greatest yielder. More in for quality then quantity or I would be growing dream or something like that.

HPS DE are pretty good that I've seen in person but HIDs are pretty behind in the game now days compared to the LEDs that are out there now days and soon HIDs will be a thing of the past and they're already are becoming that specially from the results of today's cob led grow lights, I have made three smaller ones two for vegging which I'm really loving and one for vegging/flowering, for my small cab grow and I'm loving the way buds grow under it even more so than my 1000w hps se. Killer light tho man I want to make one really badly. Stoked to follow this grow.

I used Gavita DE lights and have switched to leds. The Cree COBs leds produce more light per watt and therefore yield more. I got 1200g per 1000W from the boosted Gavita DE. So that's just over 1 gram per watt and I got 1.38g/W from the leds.

You don't need heaters when using leds. The leds produce plenty of heat. It's just going up and gets sucked out. I control the temperature by blowing the warm air from the led coolers down to the plants. Gives me a much more even temperature distribution and 30% more yield than from the Gavita DE. It really is no contest.

It really is no contest. Prices for led DIY are a little higher indeed, but considering I got 30% more harvest I'd say I got it back in a single grow. Or I could get it back in a few grows on electricity savings.

chuck estevez said:

Got to love when people go into the dispensary and ask for some of that killa LED grown bud.

Oh wait, that doesn't happen,lol

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Fuck dispensaries, and fuck Chuck, we've had this conversation before. You only have about a year more to act like this before the evidence becomes overwhelming and talking like that will make you look idiotic. By all means, enjoy it, Troll It Up!

chuck estevez said:

I love getting you guys all riled up, been doin it for years,

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This too shall pass. There's just no way around it now. I never thought LED were magic, but they are to the point HID will cease to be viable along some timeline. I don't know the length of that timeline, but in the past my instincts have served me and I'mma say about 1 more year before the price drops enough to make it commercially viable. And in under five HID will be a relic.
I'll keep singing my song, you keep singing yours, it ain't even a thang.