How to Read your Plants?

riddleme

Well-Known Member
One of the most common things you see on this (and other) forum is experienced growers telling the new growers that you need to learn how to read your plants.

I was thinking about this and decided that a thread to steer new growers in the right direction by sharing with them how we do this might be fun.

The plants will always tell us when something is not right, understanding what it is they are telling us is key to reaching our goals of happy plants and higher yields

If you are a new grower, hangin out here to learn, one of the best things you can do is spend time in the plant problem forum reading threads and looking at the pics then watching the answers. Several things will happen, you will start to see who the more experienced growers are giving you a better idea of threads you might want to follow or just read. You will start to see what we call forum retoric, things that are repeated without actual experience ie: ph problem (actually very rare) and Mag deficiency. Some of these can be very confusing to new growers so seeing these patterns is a big help in overcoming this potential confusion.

A huge help in this process is a book called Marijuana Garden Saver $15 as it covers all the deficiencies, pest, diseases with pics, explanations and all known cures as well as preventative measures.

there are spots, burns, color changes, tips curling up or down, serated edges curling up or down, the dreaded eagle claw, stems drooping or standing erect, leaves drooping, the list goes on and on.

But one of the things we don't see a lot of is an explanation of what a happy plant looks like? they are green, not to dark, not to light (varies with strains) they are relaxed leaves not drooping or erect just kinda hangin out with no tips or edges curling. They tend to use more water staying on regular watering schedules. They grow faster exhibiting regular growth spurts. They only lose the leaves they are done with that are no longer needed for thier intended goals. Happy plants live in perfectly dialed in gardens where all elements light, water, medium, temp, humidity,PH, nutes, airflow circulation etc have been tweaked to the very best possible.

If you do spend time in the plant problem forum you will see so/to many threads where the grower will not know what the humidity is? will not have a way to check PH? Have no understanding whatsoever of what a plant needs. In fact a big percentage of these threads start out with "threw some seeds in some dirt and now this is happening,,,,,,,,,HELP???"

You will start to understand why we say Less is More and KISS Keep it Stupid Simple.

But learning to read and understand the problems that occur is just one part of your journey. You must also get a grasp on simple botany, learning to understand what plants are doing and what makes them tick? What exactly is it that they want? They will tell you if only you will listen? For example did you know that calcium levels need to equal the sodium levels in your water? That too much molasses will bind with N and lock it out? Most new growers don't have even the notion of what it is that needs to be learned, let alone how to learn it?

And finally the best kept secret of all, they will actually talk to you! Not verbally, not with statements that you hear, it's more like metal telepathy, kinda like a vulcan mind meld. Here is how to recognize that this is happening, pay very close attention to what you do in your garden and more specifically WHY you do it. That sudden urge to go check your plants during dinner or in the middle of your favorite tv show, only to find droopy leaves or some other problem? An unknowing desire to add something to your nute regimen. If you pay attention you will start to see what I'm talking about and you will become more open to it. Once this relationship fosters you will have a much better understanding of what is going on in your garden :)

I hope other experienced growers will chime in with how they read thier plants and that perhaps this thread can become a good foundation for all the new growers out there looking to learn.
 

thesmith

Member
your make it rain thread was one of the most eye opening threads that i have come across here. That alone has shown me a little bit of how to read my plants "mood". keep up these great and informative threads. I am eager to see the input from the truly experienced "plant whisperers" here at riu. + rep always to u riddleme.
 

HotPhyre

Well-Known Member
Riddleme i have read most of your work and you are brilliant!!!
+rep and sub'd

i totally understand when u talk about the ol' Vulcan mind meld, hahaha.
 

rastadred22

Well-Known Member
nice thread riddle! yea its all about dialing in your garden! u cannot 'become one' with ur garden with out everything being intact...if u garden is off...temp, humidity, air flow etc. it becomes harder for one to read and understand what the problems are...ones everything is dialed in u can identify the problem more accurately and correct it as needed....for those of u that dont kno riddleme...i advise u to get to know him! this man could teach my dog to grow!

once again nice thread teach!
 

nothingtodeclare

Active Member
i too understand the vulcan mind meld i wonder how many people experiance this but yes you are right sometimes i could be doing anything an then i get this thing in my head you need to go an check my babies an funny enough there is always something, where it might be lamp not came on or temp too high or air pump not working or your frying my roots got me thinking now its funny because i see mythbusters last night on discovery an they were checking plants with polygraph etc an abusing it to see if it reacted wierd or what but yes great post riddle plus rep
 

Boonierat

Well-Known Member
Rm3's information has never let me down. I'll be following this thread too! And yeah, I definitely feel that connection with the plants.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Should nutes and molasses always be applied separately to avoid lock out?
No it is totally ok to mix them, understanding that both nutes and molasses lower the PH of the water. My point in mentioning it is how folks will have leaves turning yellow, post a pic and (because it is easy to see and very common) growers helping will say N deficiency you just need to add some N or veg nutes (if your in flower) when the solution is back off the molasses a bit. Without understanding this relationship and it's potential for problems it is hard for us to give the right answers. This also begs the notion that if your having a problem and asking for help give as much info as you can think of! Also falls into the Less is More catagory cause how many folks are guilty of thinkin that if molasses really does make the buds sweeter than more will make em even better, which of course is not true :)
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
I have posted this before but this is a good place to post it again. Plants require 16 known basic elements, knowing what they are and how they interact is key to reading potential problems that may occur :)

16 Elements Necessary for Plants
The performance of your plants is directly related to the degree of the fertility of your soil. Like humans, plants require certain elements to grow well and to remain healthy.
Below is a list of elements essential for plant growth. On the right are some sources from which plants may receive these elements.
Carbon (C)
Hydrogen (H)
Oxygen (O)
Nitrogen (N)
Phosphorus (P)
Potassium (K)
Calcium (Ca)
Magnesium (Mg)
Sulfur (S)
Boron (B)
Chlorine (CI)
Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)
Zinc (Zn)

From air and Water
From Air and Soil

From Soil and Fertilizers
Plants also contain Cobalt (Co), Iodine (I), Selenium (Se) and Sodium (Na), which are necessary to humans and animals which consume the plants, but which do not seem to be necessary for the survival of plants. Aluminum (Al) and Silicon (Si) are also present in plants, but are not deemed necessary for humans nor animals for their survival.
Elements Required by Plants and Obtained From Soil and Fertilizers
Major Nutrients: Nitrogen (N), Phosphorus (P), and Potassium (K)
Secondary Nutrients: Calcium (Ca), Magnesium (Mg), and Sulfur (S)
Micronutrients or Trace Elements: Boron (B), Chlorine (CI), Copper (Cu), Iron (Fe), Manganese (Mn), Molybdenum (Mo), and Zinc (Zn)

What These Elements Do for Plants

Major Nutrients
Nitrogen (N) is the main nutrient for strong, vigorous growth, good leaf color, and photosynthesis. Plants that are almost all leaf (such as lawn grasses) need plenty of nitrogen, so the first number in fertilizers for lawns is especially high because grass must continuously renew itself after mowing. The higher the number, the more nitrogen the fertilizer provides.
Phosphorous (P) promotes root development which helps strengthen plants. It also increases blooms on flowers and the ripening of seeds and fruit. Lots of phosphorous is great for bulbs, perennials, and newly planted trees and shrubs. They depend on strong roots, so fertilizers meant for these plants often have high middle numbers.
Potassium (K) improves the overall health of plants. It helps them withstand very hot or cold weather, defend against diseases, helps fruit formation, photosynthesis, and the uptake of other nutrients. Potassium works along with Nitrogen so if you add nitrogen to the soil, it is important to add potassium at the same time. Most soils already have some potassium, so the third number in the fertilizer analysis is usually smaller than the other two. Fertilizers for some tropical plants, especially palms, contain extra potassium because these plants have a special need for it.
Secondary Nutrients
Calcium (Ca) is important for general plant vigor and promotes good growth of young roots and shoots. Calcium also helps to build cell walls.

Magnesium (Mg) helps regulate uptake of other plant foods and aids in seed formation. As it is contained in Chlorophyll, it is also important in the dark green color of plants and for the ability of a plant to manufacture food from sunlight.

Sulfur (S) helps maintain a dark green color while encouraging more vigorous plant growth. Sulfur is needed to manufacture Chlorophyll.

Trace Elements
Boron (B) helps in cell development and helps to regulate plant metabolism.
Chlorine (CI) is involved in photosynthesis.
Copper (Cu) helps plants to metabolize nitrogen.
Iron (Fe) assists in the manufacture of chlorophyll and other biochemical processes.
Manganese (Mn) is needed for chlorophyll production.
Molybdenum (Mo) helps plants to use nitrogen.
Zinc (Zn) is used in development of enzymes and hormones. It is used by the leaves and needed by legumes to form seeds.

Sources: Gardener's Desk Reference; Complete Guide to Florida Gardening
Very few nutes have all 16 elements in them and assume that some are comming from the water or the soil. A few that do contain all 16 are DynaGro and SmokeNGrow.
 

MoppinSauce

Well-Known Member
Good post. Yes, you do hear this all the time on this forum and all the others too. Spot on description of a happy plant too.

I think my favorite way to read my plants is on the main stems. If they are red, they need some N.
 

tardis

Well-Known Member
I think its genetic if you can read plants or can't. sure you can learn it, but you wont be as successful as someone who just "has the gift." I can read my plants on an instinctual level, and although i'm very new and in no way a pro, my instincts make me look much smarter than I am (it doesn't hurt that i live in hawaii, but i've seen manymany friends fail at it). I think its a genetic trait, you either got the agricultural read plants gene or you don't. Like any human alle

One of the most common things you see on this (and other) forum is experienced growers telling the new growers that you need to learn how to read your plants.

I was thinking about this and decided that a thread to steer new growers in the right direction by sharing with them how we do this might be fun.

The plants will always tell us when something is not right, understanding what it is they are telling us is key to reaching our goals of happy plants and higher yields

If you are a new grower, hangin out here to learn, one of the best things you can do is spend time in the plant problem forum reading threads and looking at the pics then watching the answers. Several things will happen, you will start to see who the more experienced growers are giving you a better idea of threads you might want to follow or just read. You will start to see what we call forum retoric, things that are repeated without actual experience ie: ph problem (actually very rare) and Mag deficiency. Some of these can be very confusing to new growers so seeing these patterns is a big help in overcoming this potential confusion.

A huge help in this process is a book called Marijuana Garden Saver $15 as it covers all the deficiencies, pest, diseases with pics, explanations and all known cures as well as preventative measures.

there are spots, burns, color changes, tips curling up or down, serated edges curling up or down, the dreaded eagle claw, stems drooping or standing erect, leaves drooping, the list goes on and on.

But one of the things we don't see a lot of is an explanation of what a happy plant looks like? they are green, not to dark, not to light (varies with strains) they are relaxed leaves not drooping or erect just kinda hangin out with no tips or edges curling. They tend to use more water staying on regular watering schedules. They grow faster exhibiting regular growth spurts. They only lose the leaves they are done with that are no longer needed for thier intended goals. Happy plants live in perfectly dialed in gardens where all elements light, water, medium, temp, humidity,PH, nutes, airflow circulation etc have been tweaked to the very best possible.

If you do spend time in the plant problem forum you will see so/to many threads where the grower will not know what the humidity is? will not have a way to check PH? Have no understanding whatsoever of what a plant needs. In fact a big percentage of these threads start out with "threw some seeds in some dirt and now this is happening,,,,,,,,,HELP???"

You will start to understand why we say Less is More and KISS Keep it Stupid Simple.

But learning to read and understand the problems that occur is just one part of your journey. You must also get a grasp on simple botany, learning to understand what plants are doing and what makes them tick? What exactly is it that they want? They will tell you if only you will listen? For example did you know that calcium levels need to equal the sodium levels in your water? That too much molasses will bind with N and lock it out? Most new growers don't have even the notion of what it is that needs to be learned, let alone how to learn it?

And finally the best kept secret of all, they will actually talk to you! Not verbally, not with statements that you hear, it's more like metal telepathy, kinda like a vulcan mind meld. Here is how to recognize that this is happening, pay very close attention to what you do in your garden and more specifically WHY you do it. That sudden urge to go check your plants during dinner or in the middle of your favorite tv show, only to find droopy leaves or some other problem? An unknowing desire to add something to your nute regimen. If you pay attention you will start to see what I'm talking about and you will become more open to it. Once this relationship fosters you will have a much better understanding of what is going on in your garden :)

I hope other experienced growers will chime in with how they read thier plants and that perhaps this thread can become a good foundation for all the new growers out there looking to learn.
 

deprave

New Member
Excellent post riddleme, Im really no expert but that has been my approach all along, read your plants and study our relationship and more importantly documenting my results. Studying horticulture and botany has helped me out a ton in developing my methods and while these forums can be a lot of fun and also provide some great information your right in that a lot of it is subjective or lets say it can easily perpetuate myths or misinterpretations or put a lot of emphasis one area, very little on another area, and not even touch on another.
 

embry928

Active Member
cool thanks that really helps. I used to use 1 TBS molasses per gallon but must have been my mental telepathy telling me to back it off. Now i use half that and it works much better no more yellowing and now i know why.
No it is totally ok to mix them, understanding that both nutes and molasses lower the PH of the water. My point in mentioning it is how folks will have leaves turning yellow, post a pic and (because it is easy to see and very common) growers helping will say N deficiency you just need to add some N or veg nutes (if your in flower) when the solution is back off the molasses a bit. Without understanding this relationship and it's potential for problems it is hard for us to give the right answers. This also begs the notion that if your having a problem and asking for help give as much info as you can think of! Also falls into the Less is More catagory cause how many folks are guilty of thinkin that if molasses really does make the buds sweeter than more will make em even better, which of course is not true :)
 

rosecitypapa

Active Member
Great thread riddleme!

As someone who desires to increase the skill of 'plant whispering', check out:

Letter to Robin

It's a mini-course on dowsing, (actually a well-developed system of dowsing.) You can train yourself to interpret the sensitivity you already have. It takes some practice, however your results will amaze you.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Say hello to Aunt Martha, she is a 6 and half week into flower from clone GDP that was donated to me because after 8 weeks in a party cup she had only grown 3 inches. The new grower that gave her to me did not know what to do to fix her so he gave her to me,,,,,,,,,,,, and I fixed her :hump:

Her colas measure from 10 to 14 inches tall and 2 to 3 and half inches wide, she still has 3 more weeks to go. She lives in a mix of Calcined Clay and Peat (sunshine mix #4) under 2 400 watt CMH lights, she wants water every 2 days and she is only fed Jack's Professional General Purpose Peat Lite Special 20-10-20 which is designed for growing in peat (has elements normally found in soil, but not in peat) This nute is compatable with types 1,2,3,&4 water (meaning most) My tap water is a type 1. One of the bitches I have with some nutes is they do not share this kind of info and knowing it is well simply very cool :) She does not get any additives, no molasses, no superthrive, no bullshit (or bat shit, cow shit, fish shit, bird shit, ok you get my point).

She is a fine example of a happy plant
 

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