HOW MUCH electricity constitutes an alarm with authorites or the electric company?

2, lol do u have any pictures?

both of my grows are in my signature, first and current.. pictures don't start until page 3 for both grows. Pictures for the first grow start on page 3. Pictures for the current grow start on page 2.

You should have used more than 2 bulbs. Also, depends on which type you were using. If it were those silly 13w bulbs that's probably why it didn't grow.

I doubt urs are bigger. here is a better picture.

gfuck the police and their need to know whats going on in my house i pay the bills and if its a 1000 dollars that my problem i wish a mofo would question me about my house wtf. its only american to do what u want in the privacy of ur own home , but if u plan on being johnny blow and growing a forest in ur house and telling the world that will more than likely get u hit b4 ur bills do

I was wondering about this too (referring to OP) It's my first summer in the house I'm in and I got my light added to my grow when summer charges hit... I never used the AC before and bill was anywhere from 70-100 bucks... with the ac and new light going I'm at $200 a month and my kwh usage has doubled... I don't know how much of that is the 400w, I'd imagine it's the AC running the bill up... I don't mind, I just don't want feds at my door you know?

lol weed makes ppl paranoid

DaGreenThumb said:

lol weed makes ppl paranoid

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I'm more paranoid when I'm not stoned....

Speaking of which *bong break...

phatbuds said:

I doubt urs are bigger. here is a better picture.

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ah very nice. Mine is 7" at the longest and 4" tall, so not quite as tall as yours yet. Better picture indeed, looking very healthy. Keep it up.

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Why not just use LED my 90w is equal to 400w hps. Also less heat to get rid of and hide. Because unlike electricity heat signatures that ur lights give off are a way many people have got attention and eventually caught. DEA has helicopters that do fly bys with infared cameras.

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Damn...I don't want to have another LED debate either, but when I read this crap I can't help myself. Phat, even the most ardent LED growers will tell you that LED's use about 2/3's the power of HID for similar performance....not less than 1/4 as you just stated. That statement is a straight cut and paste from an LED supplier. If you've ever grown with a 400 watt HID you would see that statement for the bullshit that it is. Way back when, when I was using a 400 watt HPS, I could count on 8ozs/crop. How much is that 90 watt LED giving you? Today, each pair of 1000 watt HPS give me 3+ Lbs. According to your 1/4 rule, 250 watts of LED will yield me 3 Lbs?

As to your lengthy second post, I read these all the time. The web is filled with written descriptions detailing why LED is theoretically better. BUT, what isn't anywhere on the web is actual pics of a decent sized LED grow op producing comparable yields and quality to HID. I've seen alot of loose fluffy buds. I've seen only about 6" penetration of effective light. Show me a link with an 8 x 8 tray filled with 24" tall plants covered with dense big buds top to bottom...all done with LED. We could give you a couple dozen links of HID grows performing just like that.

DEA? Flyovers with infared cameras? So, everyone with an indoor spa gets raided? How bout a laundry room with a clogged vent? My friends room dedicated to his reptiles and kept at 85 degrees? For over 20 years I've been at this, and never once have I heard of a bust stemming from an infared camera. They're all rumors. People get busted because they get told on. That's all.

You are entitled to believe what you want. But, please do not spread rumors passed along as fact.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html

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Damn...I don't want to have another LED debate either, but when I read this crap I can't help myself. Phat, even the most ardent LED growers will tell you that LED's use about 2/3's the power of HID for similar performance....not less than 1/4 as you just stated. That statement is a straight cut and paste from an LED supplier. If you've ever grown with a 400 watt HID you would see that statement for the bullshit that it is. Way back when, when I was using a 400 watt HPS, I could count on 8ozs/crop. How much is that 90 watt LED giving you? Today, each pair of 1000 watt HPS give me 3+ Lbs. According to your 1/4 rule, 250 watts of LED will yield me 3 Lbs?

As to your lengthy second post, I read these all the time. The web is filled with written descriptions detailing why LED is theoretically better. BUT, what isn't anywhere on the web is actual pics of a decent sized LED grow op producing comparable yields and quality to HID. I've seen alot of loose fluffy buds. I've seen only about 6" penetration of effective light. Show me a link with an 8 x 8 tray filled with 24" tall plants covered with dense big buds top to bottom...all done with LED. We could give you a couple dozen links of HID grows performing just like that.

DEA? Flyovers with infared cameras? So, everyone with an indoor spa gets raided? How bout a laundry room with a clogged vent? My friends room dedicated to his reptiles and kept at 85 degrees? For over 20 years I've been at this, and never once have I heard of a bust stemming from an infared camera. They're all rumors. People get busted because they get told on. That's all.

You are entitled to believe what you want. But, please do not spread rumors passed along as fact.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html

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+rep

ps. I'm in love with your grow.

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Im going to pick up a MH/HPS 400watt tomorrow that I found locally. I will swap it out as soon as mr2shim's plant gets bigger than mine. I found a really good deal so figure buy it now. Im a NOOB but have ambition to grow my own stash from now on.

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Im going to pick up a MH/HPS 400watt tomorrow that I found locally. I will swap it out as soon as mr2shim's plant gets bigger than mine. I found a really good deal so figure buy it now. Im a NOOB but have ambition to grow my own stash from now on.

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Yes, Phatbuds. Come to the Dark Side. I hope the new HID is an old Mag ballast. Everyone's first HID should be a Mag. There's nothing quite like that beautiful BUZZZZZZING when they fire up. I keep one old mag ballast to keep the diditals company. It just wouldn't feel like a true grow op without that buzzing. Welcome, Phat. Welcome to the big bad world of HID lighting. Don't forget your sunglasses....Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee (scary laughing)

There probably is no reason to worry, but every month for the past 4 months I get a letter from the energy company stating that I am using more electricity than my neighbors. I live alone in a moderate sized home, I have 2.5 refrigerators, 1 large freezer, dish washer, washer and dryer, etc. I am using CFLs for my nursery about 18 (42 watts) and in the flowering room 3 (400 watt CMH). Whoa...

I think about it but it hasn't stopped me from growing. I did go down to 1 (400 watt CMH) for a few weeks because I only had 6 plants in the flowering room - (9 plants is ideal, capacity is 12). Like many of you stated, as long as I pay my bill there shouldn't be a problem. I think I have enough electrical appliances to back up my usage. I also have the electrical outlet in my garage that can run a welding machine. Still...I think about it. I'm counting on what you guys say about not fretting over the high usage. I also feel guilty for using so much because I try to be environmentally friendly. Using that much electricity is not environmentally friendly, and I am guilty as sin for abuse.

If you're getting a letter from the power company telling you that you are using more power than your neighbors, that to me is enough to take it down a notch. It's obvious they are watching your power, (usually they don't)

These types of letters, messages, or notices is what has me thinking...

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Man, if your in it for the money, selling the shit to people who sell to kids,TRAFFIC ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT, that's whats goin to get you busted. Grow your own shit, keep it to yourself and you wont have anything to worry about. If you love marijuana why would you want to share it anyway

Lol it does buzz, can I use both the led and hid? Its call sunlight supply

phatbuds said:

Lol it does buzz, can I use both the led and hid? Its call sunlight supply

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You can use LED and HID together, I'm not sure if the LED would really help though. Never hurts I suppose. Electric ballast I say, then you can run MH and HPS. I'm not completely sure you can do that with a mag ballast.

Here is Cali EDISON sent me a Letter Regarding my USAGE, was just to inform me its above normal and they Diddnt want me to have a bad circut wasting power or something.. I told them its fine, kept paying my bills.. they dont care...