HLG Quantum Board Question

Thundercat

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Do you think the quality is the same as hps? You should just try a fixture first and see.
Are you asking if I think LED will produce the same quality bud?

I don't know yet, but with comparable wattage and spectrum I don't see why not. I would love to see or do some side by sides first hand with as few variables as possible.

I'm gonna try some LED for veg first when I can. While I keep compiling info on flowering with LED. I've been watching LED change for over 10 years now, I'm not in any hurry.
 

Lucky Luke

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I tried it in a 3x3 tent at varying heights. I have also seen people do really well with them, and they do work. I am over here scratching my head about a 500 dollar light thinking it might as well be a paper weight for me. But I have cmh dialed in and I’m sure if I devoted some effort I could do better with the QB. For now I’m running the qb as supplemental beside an hps and de cmh but was thinking about putting add on Craigslist for someone to meet me at hydro store and buy me a 315 in trade for it. I know I’m getting the short end price wise but don’t care as long as get new cmh with warranty. I’m going all cmh as they pump out quality like nothing else I’ve used. Hps is great too but I get frostier buds with better bag appeal all at less watts per sq ft with cmh. And the switch is easy don’t have learn new style of light which is I’m sure why I don’t care for the QB. Extra cal mag, light meter to know when to turn light up and higher temps are all needed for led. It’s a learning curve that after seeing cmh results I’m not interested in. At least not until I’m convinced the quality is equal too or surpasses cmh.
Interesting thoughts.
 

Apalchen

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I think that the move away from blurple to all white light was a mistake for LED. Should have went mostly white light but still have the other colors. Have you seen like synchled, chilled led, or spyder (prob mis spelled all those) but anyways they are some of the best led fixtures out and quite a bit more pricey than QBs and all of them have other spectrums colors mixed in. The chill led and synch led both are tunable spectrum and can get very colorful looking. The QBs are missing something and these others might not be, but the prices are so high I can’t buy them and just hope they work for me.
 

VillageAnt

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Before you buy one of those fixtures, you may want to consider this.

HLG just came out with a new board, the QB96 Elite V2, with a boosted red spectrum. They are $99 with the heatsink. Each board has a max power rating of around 320 watts. However, most people run them at around 150-180 watts for efficiency.

To replace one of the fixtures you are looking at, and get even more wattage, you could, instead, buy four of these boards with the heatsinks for $400, and power them with two HLG-320H-54A drivers, two boards per driver. The drivers are around $85 each, so $170, for a total of $570. Throw in some 18 awg solid core wire, and you are looking at around $600 total for top of the line boards running at 640 dimmable watts.

Or, if you want to push them harder, you could run the four boards with two HLG-480H-54A drivers, two boards per driver (around $115 each). That would give you 960 watts. Just blow a fan on them.

Quantum boards grow just as well or better than HPS while requiring less power. I switched over 9 months ago and I will never look back. Rock hard, frosty nugs with good penetration.

https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/collections/all/products/qb96-elite-v2-quantum-board-engine

Also, HLG has the same 600 watt kit you were looking at for $692, but I'm not sure if it's the V2.

https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/collections/all/products/hlg-600h-kit-with-slate-5
 
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VillageAnt

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I tried it in a 3x3 tent at varying heights. I have also seen people do really well with them, and they do work. I am over here scratching my head about a 500 dollar light thinking it might as well be a paper weight for me. But I have cmh dialed in and I’m sure if I devoted some effort I could do better with the QB. For now I’m running the qb as supplemental beside an hps and de cmh but was thinking about putting add on Craigslist for someone to meet me at hydro store and buy me a 315 in trade for it. I know I’m getting the short end price wise but don’t care as long as get new cmh with warranty. I’m going all cmh as they pump out quality like nothing else I’ve used. Hps is great too but I get frostier buds with better bag appeal all at less watts per sq ft with cmh. And the switch is easy don’t have learn new style of light which is I’m sure why I don’t care for the QB. Extra cal mag, light meter to know when to turn light up and higher temps are all needed for led. It’s a learning curve that after seeing cmh results I’m not interested in. At least not until I’m convinced the quality is equal too or surpasses cmh.
I think that's because you weren't using enough wattage, but it's not your fault if you were going by what hlg says. They say that with the quantum boards you only need 30 to 35 watts/sqft, whereas HPS needs a minimum of 50 watts/sqft. You were using 35 watts/sqft in the 3 x 3, with the 320 watt fixture. I don't remember where I saw this, but a few people have done ppfd readings, and in order to match HID, you really need 40 watts/sqft of quantum boards (39 to be exact). So, you should have been using a minimum of 360 watts in 9 sqft. I prefer 45 watts/sqft, so 400 watts for that space.

HLG says the HLG 550 replaces a 1000 watt HPS (btw, that fixture only uses a 480 watt driver). That is BS. It really takes 775 watts of QBs to match a 1000 watt HPS.
 

Thundercat

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So I saw you post earlier about the QB 96elites and it got me thinking more about spectrum again. In my search for some spectrum comparison charts I came across this and thought it was an interesting read. Since I'm very much still trying to learn more about LeD I'm not certain if its 100% accurate but it seemed like a legit study. https://thegreensunshineco.com/hps-vs-led-grow/

Which raises the question what's the deal with wide band LEDs?
 

VillageAnt

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That is an interesting article. There is a big problem with it. They only used the "generic" label "white LEDs". They didn't specify anything about different kinds of diodes or anything like that. There are many different kinds of white LEDs. Samsung is at the forefront of the diode game.

The recent most current top of the line diodes are the Samsung LM301Bs. That is what is mostly used on HLG's V2 boards. They are vastly more efficient, and effective then any diode currently being used in grow lights, with the exception of the diodes that are used in the QB 96 Elite V2s. With a mix of different colored diodes, they offer a wider spectrum than standard 70 CRI, 80 CRI and 90 CRI LEDs. The red diodes are probably Nichia, but I believe the whites are Samsung LH508Bs, for increased wattage capacity.

Now, if they used, and named, these top-of-the-line diodes for their test, I would take the test more seriously. But I know from my own personal experience, that I was flowering in 18 square feet with dual 600 watt HPS. I was averaging 1100 grams. I switched to 960 watts of QB132 boards, and now I'm averaging 1350 grams, and the nugs are denser and stickier. This is growing the same strain, flowering from clone, in 2-liter SOG, 96 plants per run. So, I know that that test is not accurate.
 

Thundercat

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I honestly take everything I read on most grow sites with a grain of salt. I was feeling warmer and fuzzier about the article until the last paragraph were it turned into an add for their brand of LED. It did seem to have the spectrum chart I was looking for lol. The chart showed me that the "white" spectrum seems pretty good. The article also really did help me appreciate the more enhanced spectrum of the 96elite. I really think that getting the really right spectrum is what will make (or has made) LED surpass HiD.

Being more energy efficient is cool and all but being more effective is an accomplishment.

I will say they were testing tomatoes in veg specifically....it might have been accurate for that case.
 
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eighties

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I'm always skeptical when a company tells me "we won't show your our spectrum, but, trust us, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread". Maybe it is, but they need to provide some additional info. If they've submitted their patent, they should be able to share without fear of their intellectual property being stolen.
 

VillageAnt

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And look what they are charging. $700 for 300 watts of LED. You can get 300 watts of qb132 Quantum boards for $140 if you order four boards for $100, and add the LRS-350-36 driver for $25. Then $15 for wiring. Huge price difference. Of course, it's not quite a fair comparison because with the QB132s, it's a DIY.
 

pthobson

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I ordered a HLG 260w QB V2 and getting ready to try it in my small 2x2x5 tent. I have only ever ran HPS and T5.
 
I tried it in a 3x3 tent at varying heights. I have also seen people do really well with them, and they do work. I am over here scratching my head about a 500 dollar light thinking it might as well be a paper weight for me. But I have cmh dialed in and I’m sure if I devoted some effort I could do better with the QB. For now I’m running the qb as supplemental beside an hps and de cmh but was thinking about putting add on Craigslist for someone to meet me at hydro store and buy me a 315 in trade for it. I know I’m getting the short end price wise but don’t care as long as get new cmh with warranty. I’m going all cmh as they pump out quality like nothing else I’ve used. Hps is great too but I get frostier buds with better bag appeal all at less watts per sq ft with cmh. And the switch is easy don’t have learn new style of light which is I’m sure why I don’t care for the QB. Extra cal mag, light meter to know when to turn light up and higher temps are all needed for led. It’s a learning curve that after seeing cmh results I’m not interested in. At least not until I’m convinced the quality is equal too or surpasses cmh.
Apalachen - Did you end up selling your QBs? I just ordered a 315 CMH set up because its been well documented to cover a 3x3 footprint with great results... Light arrived, but now I'm reluctant to open it - I can do an Alibaba DIY QB build with 2 288 boards for roughly the same cost. Wondering if you ever dialled your QBs in, or if you still favour the CMH?
 

coreywebster

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Apalachen - Did you end up selling your QBs? I just ordered a 315 CMH set up because its been well documented to cover a 3x3 footprint with great results... Light arrived, but now I'm reluctant to open it - I can do an Alibaba DIY QB build with 2 288 boards for roughly the same cost. Wondering if you ever dialled your QBs in, or if you still favour the CMH?
Just open it and stop second guessing yourself.
 
Just open it and stop second guessing yourself.
Haha - thanks man. This is light 3 for me tho. First root farm led was an uneducated mistake. Second light was a 1000 watt blurple that only drew 160. Just want to make sure. But the cmh is proven, and an Alibaba DIY project may be another gamble I suppose.
 

coreywebster

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Haha - thanks man. This is light 3 for me tho. First root farm led was an uneducated mistake. Second light was a 1000 watt blurple that only drew 160. Just want to make sure. But the cmh is proven, and an Alibaba DIY project may be another gamble I suppose.
I wouldn't say the ali copy lights are a gamble, you don't know what you get exactly but you still get a light that will grow really well.
But you already have the CMH and there isn't a need to change that since it will also produce really well.
Some folks struggle with LED, you don't hear that happening with CMH.
Don't take that the wrong way, im an LED guy and have 2x 260w v1 HLG kits and a v2 kit of the same wattage. I love them. But again, you have a cmh in front of you right now ready to go and its going to be a massive improvement on your previous lights.
 
I wouldn't say the ali copy lights are a gamble, you don't know what you get exactly but you still get a light that will grow really well.
But you already have the CMH and there isn't a need to change that since it will also produce really well.
Some folks struggle with LED, you don't hear that happening with CMH.
Don't take that the wrong way, im an LED guy and have 2x 260w v1 HLG kits and a v2 kit of the same wattage. I love them. But again, you have a cmh in front of you right now ready to go and its going to be a massive improvement on your previous lights.
Thanks bud - good call.
 

Apalchen

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Apalachen - Did you end up selling your QBs? I just ordered a 315 CMH set up because its been well documented to cover a 3x3 footprint with great results... Light arrived, but now I'm reluctant to open it - I can do an Alibaba DIY QB build with 2 288 boards for roughly the same cost. Wondering if you ever dialled your QBs in, or if you still favour the CMH?
I have decided to go all de hps for flower as soon as I can get my rooms done. My cmh will go to veg for now, I might try find some leds for veg as I wanna do a double layer of veg to save room. I love the cmh for a 3x3 but I’m limited on floor space and gonna do a lil bit taller plants and need the penetration of de hps. As far as my QB fixture goes I want to sell it but it’s a kit so my local shop won’t sell it for me (not ul listed) and I’m not sure I feel comfortable listing it myself or meeting someone to sell it. Again I don’t know of any other light that can touch a cmh in a 3x3 as far as quality goes. You might be able to pull better numbers from a QB if your really good at keeping plants healthy ( I can’t do it under the led, but I’m mixin water and controlling environment in multiple tents and only one was LED and I didn’t want to put the money into seperate environmental controls for one 3x3, also would have to use cal mag but I’m already using sensi coco a and b which has extra cal mag and that makes it hard to get the right amount when adding extra.) But I think the majority of people would have better numbers and quality under cmh. I want to like LED, I really do because I could use pallet racking for double layer grow and have way more sq ft of canopy. But the prices are too high and although some people and facilities have switched over and are doing good, I see quite a lot of people in commercial settings trying some LED fixtures and then going back to HID lighting and just vegging with LED. When large gardens known for high quality start making the switch( not just a sponsored run) I will consider it again if the prices are reasonable.
 
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