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RetiredToker76 · Apr 6, 2009

ganjaboii024 said:
to me it sounds like you are way over rating everything
be specific and list what you plan on running
a 1000 watt hid with magnetic balast pulls around 9.5 amps on 120 and around 4.75 on 240
a 150 breaker on a 200 line, how far is the run?? thats probably overkill
it doesnt sound like with what you plan on running you need a 150 amp panel for your grow, but like i said give me the specifics

2 1000 watt HPS (I have no idea if their magnetic)
1 500 watt floro balast
1 200 watt CFL
(various UVB lamps -- haven't purchased yet)

1 1200 BTU indoor AC unit.

1 turbo cloner

3 - 5 air pumps
2 800 gph water pumps

1 24 watt CFL (ceiling light)

1 small CD stereo (positive vibe for the plants)

2 6" inline fans.

-RT76

ganjaboii024 · Apr 6, 2009

RetiredToker76 said:
2 1000 watt HPS (I have no idea if their magnetic)
1 500 watt floro balast
1 200 watt CFL
(various UVB lamps -- haven't purchased yet)

1 1200 BTU indoor AC unit.

1 turbo cloner

3 - 5 air pumps
2 800 gph water pumps

1 24 watt CFL (ceiling light)

1 small CD stereo (positive vibe for the plants)

2 6" inline fans.

-RT76

I don't know what the rt 76 is but you can run all that from a 240 volt 60 amp service and unless you are running a long way to the building you dont need to waste money sizeing the wire up for nothing

I'm out for the night
peace all, smoke it if you got it

dirtystacks · Apr 7, 2009

ganjaboii024 said:
I don't know what the rt 76 is...

I think RT76 is his signature....retired toker76.

SCORPIO13 · Apr 7, 2009

Thanks for the replys guys. I kinda thought it was ok but was not sure.

iloveit · Apr 7, 2009

gohydro said:
Most ballasts have a thermal cut-out switch. Your ballast could be overheating. Here's a link to help you out.

http://www.advancetransformer.com/uploads/resources/flb-troubleshooting-guide.pdf

Thanks for that, I believe it definitely is cutting off due to the heat. It seems to be working fine for now but Ill consider placing a fan in there in the future.

wowzerz · Apr 7, 2009

Whats up, first off thanks for offering out your professional advice. Here is my situation, I recently ordered an inline bilge blower fan http://www.boatingsolutions.com/Seac...9720C1191.aspx to vent my grow, I was under the impression that you could use any cord as long as it is equal or lower amps and voltage, so the blower is 12v dc and box says 4.5 amps but on the fan itself says 4 amps. and the cord i used is Input: 120VAC 60Hz 14w Output 9v dc 800mA. "class 2 transformer"

there is only two wires on the plug and two on the fan, I hooked them up and it was blowing the wrong way at first, so I swapped the wires and then it blew the right way. Well I slept in my grow room last night just incase something went wrong, and sure enough after the fan had been running about 4 hours or so it stopped, LUCKILY I was awake and heard it shut off. I jumped up and pulled the plug out and that sucker was hot as fire. Like too hot to hold onto. I broke open the plug and its not melted inside or anything but has a really strong chemical/electrical smell. Where did I go wrong?
Thanks again.
wwzrz

gohydro · Apr 7, 2009

Did I read that right? a 12volt DC fan powered by a 9 volt dc transformer?

wowzerz · Apr 7, 2009

yeah you read right, i had a guy tell me that I can wire it up with any cord (ie phone charger et) as long as the charger has a lower voltage and amps, was i told wrong?

ganjaboii024 · Apr 8, 2009

wowzerz said:
Whats up, first off thanks for offering out your professional advice. Here is my situation, I recently ordered an inline bilge blower fan http://www.boatingsolutions.com/Seac...9720C1191.aspx to vent my grow, I was under the impression that you could use any cord as long as it is equal or lower amps and voltage, so the blower is 12v dc and box says 4.5 amps but on the fan itself says 4 amps. and the cord i used is Input: 120VAC 60Hz 14w Output 9v dc 800mA. "class 2 transformer"

there is only two wires on the plug and two on the fan, I hooked them up and it was blowing the wrong way at first, so I swapped the wires and then it blew the right way. Well I slept in my grow room last night just incase something went wrong, and sure enough after the fan had been running about 4 hours or so it stopped, LUCKILY I was awake and heard it shut off. I jumped up and pulled the plug out and that sucker was hot as fire. Like too hot to hold onto. I broke open the plug and its not melted inside or anything but has a really strong chemical/electrical smell. Where did I go wrong?
Thanks again.
wwzrz

your fan is rated for 12 volts 4 amps, thats 48 watts of power, your transformer could only supply 14 watts. its as simple as that
you could run that off a transformer just make sure it can handle around 50 watts of power, if you run it at 9 volts its just going to be slower

wowzerz · Apr 8, 2009

ganjaboii024 said:
your fan is rated for 12 volts 4 amps, thats 48 watts of power, your transformer could only supply 14 watts. its as simple as that
you could run that off a transformer just make sure it can handle around 50 watts of power, if you run it at 9 volts its just going to be slower

Thank you for your reply. Yeah I assumed it would be slower on the 9v plug, but is this also the cause of it shutting off and the plug getting hot?(like REALLY hot)

Delusional · Apr 8, 2009

thought I would stop back for an update, got the lights in and everything works fine. I'm sure after the pumps and whatnot are hooked up I should have no issues. Thanks again! Take it easy.

thinkhigh · Apr 8, 2009

ganjaboii024 said:
your main panel feeds the pool panel, and that goes to your outdoor building
give me some more info,
what size breaker is your pool panel hooked up to on your main panel? the 2 pole 20 amp breaker going to your pool pump, is that the only other breaker besides the one going to your grow buliding?
if you want 240 in your grow buliding you will need to run a 2 pole breaker from your pool panel (only if it can handle the load, or you have to use your main panel) connected to a 3 wire cable that goes to a 240 sub panel in your grow buliding.
if you can take pics of the panels that would be great as well

It looks like the breaker in main panel is a dual 30amp (that runs to the pool)
The pool panel has only 2 breakers in it. The double 20 amp and the single 20 amp (for the grow room)

These are those two breakers in the pool panel.

The single breaker runs to this panel inside my grow house. It's 2 20amp single poles.

If you need any other info just let me know. Thanks again. :bigjoint:

ganjaboii024 · Apr 8, 2009

wowzerz said:
Thank you for your reply. Yeah I assumed it would be slower on the 9v plug, but is this also the cause of it shutting off and the plug getting hot?(like REALLY hot)

it got hot cause you where asking for 6 times more power then the transformer could supply, you need to use a supply that is rated for the amount of power you are using

ganjaboii024 · Apr 8, 2009

Delusional said:
thought I would stop back for an update, got the lights in and everything works fine. I'm sure after the pumps and whatnot are hooked up I should have no issues. Thanks again! Take it easy.

very clean setup, looks great, ill be checking your journal

ganjaboii024 · Apr 8, 2009

thinkhigh said:
It looks like the breaker in main panel is a dual 30amp (that runs to the pool)
The pool panel has only 2 breakers in it. The double 20 amp and the single 20 amp (for the grow room)

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These are those two breakers in the pool panel.

The single breaker runs to this panel inside my grow house. It's 2 20amp single poles.

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If you need any other info just let me know. Thanks again.

so you have a 240 volt 30 amp service going to your pool and a 120 volt 20 amp curently to your back building, if you where to extend the 30 amp service from the pool panel to the back building you would be able to install a new 240 volt sub panel on a 30 amp double pole breaker from the pool panel, however!, the pool breaker itself would have to be shut off or the breaker suplying the pool panel will trip
if you wanted to run both at the same time id say upgrade your pool panel to a 50-60 amp sub panel, pop in a double pole 50-60 amp breaker on your main, run new wire to the pool panel, install a 30 amp double pole in the pool panel that feeds your back building and install a 30 amp panel there (you should be able to salvage your curent pool panel, the feeder wire, and the breaker to use for your grow building seeing as they are 30 amp)

hope that helps

thinkhigh · Apr 8, 2009

ganjaboii024 said:
so you have a 240 volt 30 amp service going to your pool and a 120 volt 20 amp curently to your back building, if you where to extend the 30 amp service from the pool panel to the back building you would be able to install a new 240 volt sub panel on a 30 amp double pole breaker from the pool panel, however!, the pool breaker itself would have to be shut off or the breaker suplying the pool panel will trip
if you wanted to run both at the same time id say upgrade your pool panel to a 50-60 amp sub panel, pop in a double pole 50-60 amp breaker on your main, run new wire to the pool panel, install a 30 amp double pole in the pool panel that feeds your back building and install a 30 amp panel there (you should be able to salvage your curent pool panel, the feeder wire, and the breaker to use for your grow building seeing as they are 30 amp)

hope that helps

The main panel is 30 amp but once it gets to the pool panel it 20 amps. Does that matter? Could I run 240V at 20 amps to the grow room without changing anything else?kiss-ass

wowzerz · Apr 8, 2009

ganjaboii024 said:
it got hot cause you where asking for 6 times more power then the transformer could supply, you need to use a supply that is rated for the amount of power you are using

Thanks for the help bro, its appritiated. Now I just gotta find the right plug for this sucker!

Jtoth3ustin · Apr 8, 2009

how can you find out how many watts your breaker is. im running 1650W +plus my Tv's.etc.. i dont whanna blow no shit up. can anyone helpe out... the main poster said 1440W should be your limit... Pe@ce..

ganjaboii024 · Apr 8, 2009

thinkhigh said:
The main panel is 30 amp but once it gets to the pool panel it 20 amps. Does that matter? Could I run 240V at 20 amps to the grow room without changing anything else?kiss-ass

for your setup you should have a 240 volt 30 amp panel for your grow, that panel should be on a 30 amp double pole breaker on your pool panel [replace the current panel for a 50 or 60 amp sub panel so it can handle your grow and pool pump] and run 50 or 60 amp wire from your main panel inside to your new pool panel, also switch out the breaker inside for a 50 or 60 amp double pole
if you can find a 50 amp thats all you need but 60 amp is more available

ganjaboii024 · Apr 8, 2009

Jtoth3ustin said:
how can you find out how many watts your breaker is. im running 1650W +plus my Tv's.etc.. i dont whanna blow no shit up. can anyone helpe out... the main poster said 1440W should be your limit... Pe@ce..

for a single pole breaker its 120 volts multiplied by the number of amps its rated for, that gives you watts so a 120 volt breaker at 15 amps handles 1800 watts, HOWEVER 80% is the recommended load which is 1440 watts and some breakers trip after this amount

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