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klx

klx

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Have 2 very distinct phenos with these Gunslinger girls.

First one is super branchy, OG like with small, frosty nuggs. At about 7.5 weeks from flip looks like will be ready in 9 max.

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Other plants grow more straight up, bigger nuggs, less frost and look like they will need full 10 weeks.

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Jury still out and will have to wait to test them but in terms of growing, they are doing ok but nothing special and compared to other keeper plants in the same tray they are not standing out. Time will tell.
 
natureboygrower

natureboygrower

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Well,I've finally discovered why I've been having problems in veg since winter...all promix is not the same.thought it strange that my raindance seedlings were so pale and the other seedlings not.i used up a bag of promix "all-purpose" rather than bx on the raindance.i didnt want a whole bale of bx kicking around in the middle of winter so I bought a small bag of 'all purpose' thinking it the same.it's not.the healthy looking plants are moondance and the raindance are the pale ones that have since been replanted in bx.you can see the bx has way more perlite.ive struggled for a few months now with that shitty soil,glad I used some bx right next to the all purpose .I thought it was probably my environment.
20180811_191717.jpg here's a crappy pic of my gunslinger in my water only coots mix.looks like I have some clawing indicating a N tox,but it doesnt seem to be hurting it much?I'm happy so far.my cob is making it look much lighter green than it actually is.4 weeks from 12/12 flip.
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Rivendell

Rivendell

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Hope everyone interested got some purple badlands, moved to discontinued and now out of stock. There is some tasty stuff to be found in those packs, I was surprised to see it moved to discontinued.

Was also surprised to see the ecto cooler cross listed as discontinued already, I haven't grown any, but sensi star, cali o and stardawg sounded like it had some potential.
 
quiescent

quiescent

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natureboygrower said:
Well,I've finally discovered why I've been having problems in veg since winter...all promix is not the same.thought it strange that my raindance seedlings were so pale and the other seedlings not.i used up a bag of promix "all-purpose" rather than bx on the raindance.i didnt want a whole bale of bx kicking around in the middle of winter so I bought a small bag of 'all purpose' thinking it the same.it's not.the healthy looking plants are moondance and the raindance are the pale ones that have since been replanted in bx.you can see the bx has way more perlite.ive struggled for a few months now with that shitty soil,glad I used some bx right next to the all purpose .I thought it was probably my environment.
View attachment 4179679 here's a crappy pic of my gunslinger in my water only coots mix.looks like I have some clawing indicating a N tox,but it doesnt seem to be hurting it much?I'm happy so far.my cob is making it look much lighter green than it actually is.4 weeks from 12/12 flip.
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The thing that most "water only" mixes need more of is calcium, I think that's what is giving you grief right now. Can't tell 100% because of lighting. If you're having an issue in one of these mixes calcium is almost always the issue. Sure it's usually fixed by a tea but the more direct route is adding that calcium back to the equation to open everything else back up for the plant to get back on track.

If you could make a tea or two for that gunslinger I'd bet it would green up a tad and head into the finish with a bit more oomph. Probably a week too late for a scratch in of some compost/dry ferts if you're shooting for a week 9 harvest. Could still give it a go and help it out with a tea.

If you have some amendments that are calcium/mineral heavy definitely include them in that tea (Peruvian seabird guano, fish bone meal, crab meal, kelp -last week I'd use it, a premix like biotone/tomato fertilizer, etc). A top dress of some gypsum would yield a similar result and up your terp production, it would be very available if you scratched some in and fed with a tea. I'd look into adding gypsum to your recipe if it's not already in your mineral mix.

Hope that helps, been there with coot's mix. Unless veganics is something you feel you have to do I would definitely look into using creature meals (crab and fish bone meals especially) in addition to the neem, kelp, etc. Making sure you're using plenty of top notch compost, and if not already, adding some biochar in the mix will help prevent issues with early fade.

Can't suggest a real lab soil test every few cycles enough if you're going to continue down this road. Definitely get one done after a fresh mix has sat for 4-8 weeks, well worth the cost. https://algreatlakes.com/pages/soil-analysis you want s2 and s3 done. Tell em you're growing tomatoes. Or find someone local to you. Plenty of resources out there as to what good soil analysis for mj looks like and usually you get to see someone post the end results.
 
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natureboygrower

natureboygrower

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quiescent said:
The thing that most "water only" mixes need more of is calcium, I think that's what is giving you grief right now. Can't tell 100% because of lighting. If you're having an issue in one of these mixes calcium is almost always the issue. Sure it's usually fixed by a tea but the more direct route is adding that calcium back to the equation to open everything else back up for the plant to get back on track.

If you could make a tea or two for that gunslinger I'd bet it would green up a tad and head into the finish with a bit more oomph. Probably a week too late for a scratch in of some compost/dry ferts if you're shooting for a week 9 harvest. Could still give it a go and help it out with a tea.

If you have some amendments that are calcium/mineral heavy definitely include them in that tea (Peruvian seabird guano, fish bone meal, crab meal, kelp -last week I'd use it, a premix like biotone/tomato fertilizer, etc). A top dress of some gypsum would yield a similar result and up your terp production, it would be very available if you scratched some in and fed with a tea. I'd look into adding gypsum to your recipe if it's not already in your mineral mix.

Hope that helps, been there with coot's mix. Can't suggest a real lab soil test every few cycles enough if you're going to continue down this road. Definitely get one done after a fresh mix has sat for 4-8 weeks, well worth the cost. https://algreatlakes.com/pages/soil-analysis you want s2 and s3 done. Tell em you're growing tomatoes.
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Thank you for the advice.kelp,crab meal and gypsum all in the mix.after taking it out of my cab,I do see it's starting to lose some greenness.love the tip on more gypsum and the tea,I may just do that to up terp production. One thing I've noticed with my mix(grew out a goji in this mix a grow back) is the lack of 'frost' production.but that goji was one of the best tasting plants I've grown.ima look into all your advice ,appreciate it.do you think it's too late to topdress with crabmeal?
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quiescent

quiescent

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natureboygrower said:
Thank you for the advice.kelp,crab meal and gypsum all in the mix.after taking it out of my cab,I do see it's starting to lose some greenness.love the tip on more gypsum and the tea,I may just do that to up terp production. One thing I've noticed with my mix(grew out a goji in this mix a grow back) is the lack of 'frost' production.but that goji was one of the best tasting plants I've grown.ima look into all your advice ,appreciate it.do you think it's too late to topdress with crabmeal?
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That looks way better out of the grow lights, not very much lightening at all. I think it'd be ok to add in now. Iirc it takes a while to make the calcium available but some n is definitely quicker to release for plant availability. If you're able to make a compost tea of some sort that'll get her on the way to a nice finish.
 
NugHeuser

NugHeuser

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whytewidow said:
Sucks they wont ship but to a few states. Glad I didnt pay for it. And looked before I hit pay.

Edit: anyone wanna order and ship it to me. I'll make it worth your time. And I'll also pay shipping.
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I didn't catch that part. Wheres the list of states they'll ship to??
I probably just wasted the 5 bucks if that's the case. Always something.:roll:
 
Bodyne

Bodyne

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can't find where they state which states, but I notice I can order 4 of the free samples for 12 shipping? Now if we can find those states? lol

Looks like a tad less than an 1/8 tsp per gallon?
 
Hotwired

Hotwired

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natureboygrower said:
Well,I've finally discovered why I've been having problems in veg since winter...all promix is not the same.thought it strange that my raindance seedlings were so pale and the other seedlings not.i used up a bag of promix "all-purpose" rather than bx on the raindance.i didnt want a whole bale of bx kicking around in the middle of winter so I bought a small bag of 'all purpose' thinking it the same.it's not.the healthy looking plants are moondance and the raindance are the pale ones that have since been replanted in bx.you can see the bx has way more perlite.ive struggled for a few months now with that shitty soil,glad I used some bx right next to the all purpose. I thought it was probably my environment.
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B'cuzz mix. Check it out. 2 x as much perlite as Promix AND the pieces are way bigger. I use that and Dyna-Gro Protekt, Foliage Pro and Bloom all grow and nothing else. Sorry I never post pics but my shit is lush as fuck. Never need any Calmag or other bullshit.

Update on my 20 LVTK. 12 days into the switch over and they got lush as fuck under the 600 watt hps. I removed the 600 watt Hortilux Blue because it wasn't doing a good job running at 450. But @ full strength that light is a beast in veg.
Most of the LVTK are fat up top but a few may come out bad like other people have posted. I think another 2 weeks will tell.
 
Michael Huntherz

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Heisengrow said:
This is true.high humidity you get them giant fan leaves and healthy plants
Low humidity makes me wanna pull em and throw in trash
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Hell yes that’s right.

For anyone wondering why; Plants’ stomata (transpiration pores in the leaves) automatically close down when RH is too low to conserve moisture in dry conditions. They open up when RH conditions are within a given range for the temperature. On the other side of the VPD table, too much humidity vs temperature can cause other problems, but most of us never run into that.

I didn’t get a humidifier, I filled the rest of my house with aquariums.
 
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Bodyne

Bodyne

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Michael Huntherz said:
Probably because of differing state laws about agricultural products. Pretty common for soil and fertilizer products.
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Oregon has pretty strict laws I thought. You used to couldn't get Superthrive there because they wouldn't give up a proprietary ingredient or two. But yea, Im out. figures, lol.

Gratzi, sato
 
K

Kronickeeper

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natureboygrower said:
Well,I've finally discovered why I've been having problems in veg since winter...all promix is not the same.thought it strange that my raindance seedlings were so pale and the other seedlings not.i used up a bag of promix "all-purpose" rather than bx on the raindance.i didnt want a whole bale of bx kicking around in the middle of winter so I bought a small bag of 'all purpose' thinking it the same.it's not.the healthy looking plants are moondance and the raindance are the pale ones that have since been replanted in bx.you can see the bx has way more perlite.ive struggled for a few months now with that shitty soil,glad I used some bx right next to the all purpose .I thought it was probably my environment.
View attachment 4179679 here's a crappy pic of my gunslinger in my water only coots mix.looks like I have some clawing indicating a N tox,but it doesnt seem to be hurting it much?I'm happy so far.my cob is making it look much lighter green than it actually is.4 weeks from 12/12 flip.
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What is the smell like on the gunslinger
 
NugHeuser

NugHeuser

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Michael Huntherz said:
Hell yes that’s right.

For anyone wondering why; Plants’ stomata (transpiration pores in the leaves) automatically close down when RH is too low to conserve moisture in dry conditions. They open up when RH conditions are within a given range for the temperature. On the other side of the VPD table, too much humidity vs temperature can cause other problems, but most of us never run into that.

I didn’t get a humidifier, I filled the rest of my house with aquariums.
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Them hid's sure do make it hard to bring up that rh too. I'm experimenting with my 630w de cmh in my veg tent, looking for a bit quicker growth than what the t5 and t8 are providing and just like I remember, that bad boy sucks moisture out of the air like its nobodies business.
I've got a steam humidifier, evaporative humidifier, bucket of water and misting plants and walls on occasion all inside the 5x5. My numbers are 84°~ and 45%~rh, I dont like them numbers at all but in the day and a half that it's been in there the plants have begun looking considerably happier than before, so I'll leave it a few days and see what happens.
Numbers I was getting before was much better, 79°~ / 60%~ rh, and that was without any extra environmental control, just the fan, light, and plant. Just lower quality light and I'm going to assume a little slower growth out of fluorescence. It's almost stupid though how tightly you can make them nodes stack with fluorescence.
 
NugHeuser

NugHeuser

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Sorry but I'm calling bs shadyness on their part.
They could have had that disclaimer in plain sight right where you click to order, and in bold lettering at that.
I went back to the sight to look for the list and clicked on about half the options where it would make sense for something like that to be and saw nothing.

'Features and Benifits'
This is really where they decide to stick that info?
I don't care about the 5 bucks, just seems purposely crooked to me.

If I get an email saying sorry we cant ship to you, with a refund, I'll eat all this.

Sorry, rant over.
 
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