green dragon help

Discussion in 'Medicating' started by st3w1, Jul 13, 2012.

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    st3w1

    st3w1 Member

    hey just been reading up some stuff about making green dragon but i still have a few questions about it that i have to ask before i try and make it. ok my questions are

    1) do i have to cook the thc before i add it to the alcohol? ive heard that it activates the thc or something but not sure
    2) can i use regular bacardi rum 37.5%? i cant find anything stronger so please say yes lol

    thanks for any comments and help.
     
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    CrownMeKing

    CrownMeKing Active Member

    havnt heard about cooking the thc to activate it, but your suppose to soak it in everclear.
     
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    st3w1

    st3w1 Member

    isnt everclear just higher % alcohol? i have bacardi instead because its the highest % i could find
     
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    Sk306

    Sk306 Well-Known Member

    Alcohol is what absorbs the cannabinoids, I'm not sure if rum will work very good though.
     
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    CrownMeKing

    CrownMeKing Active Member

    yeah everclear is like the strongest shit out there im pretty sure. how long you planning on soaking it and how much herb?
     
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    st3w1

    st3w1 Member

    got about 20g of trim and 350 ml of bacardi. planning to soak it for 1-2 months maybe longer
     
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    rjfmur

    rjfmur Member

    Hi all, I've made green dragon 4 times now and have followed the recipe that I'll attach next post. You do have to bake the herb, supposedly 5 minutes at 325 f. The purpose is to activate it or make it easier to extract. I use everclear. Bacardi 151 will also work. Regular rum is only 40 percent, so you'd have to use a lot! I'd say find ever clear. 25 minutes in a baño maria. Since I've switched to GD, haven't smoked in months. It's a longer high, a bit less cerebral.
     
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    rjfmur

    rjfmur Member

    This is Master Wu's recipe from cannabis.com:
    The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised)
    Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive
    and magical Green Dragon.
    This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.
    Ingredients:
    1/8oz high quality cannabis
    2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof
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    The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised, Updated, Combined) 9/21/11 12:03 PM
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    2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof
    Process Summary:
    1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)
    2. Place in a shallow pan (a sheet of aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 5
    minutes.
    3. Remove from oven and place cannabis in 2 oz of 151 proof rum (use a small wide
    mouth mason jar)
    4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis
    mixture between 170°F.
    5. Strain the mixture and store.
    Dosage:
    One milliliiter (one full eyedropper) is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you must
    self-titrate (test it on yourself) as each batch will be slightly different. Effects take up to
    1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2
    droppers).
    I place one eyedropper (1ml) of Green Dragon in a small glass. I then add a small
    amount of water (1-2 ml) and drink. Do this on an empty stomach for best results (about
    20-30 minutes before eating a main meal is good)
     
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    rjfmur

    rjfmur Member

    Process details—references and rationalizations:
    1. Chop the cannabis
    More surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.
    2. Bake the cannabis.
    This converts THCA to THC via a decarboxylation reaction.
    In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic
    acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated
    during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and
    anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in
    order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as
    smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of selftitration),
    we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to
    extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society
    http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)
    THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC,
    but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five
    minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove
    the cannabis from the oven.
     
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    missnu

    missnu Well-Known Member

    You should really be able to find something with a higher proof than that...
    Everclear used to be 95%, but now in my area it is only 75% and no longer comes in glass...

    But I made some with the 95% and really you just put some pot in the freezer...take it out once it is pretty frozen, cover it in high proof alcohol, higher than what you have, then shake it all up...then strain off the plant material and leave what you have to sit for a while...in a few weeks it should be done...
    Mine smells like alcohol pot so I guess it worked...you put a few drops on or under your tongue and then hold on, cuz it will burn the shit out of you...anyway that is that...easy...and pointless if you don't like alcohol...but I gave it to a friend and he seemed to enjoy it...
     
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    rjfmur

    rjfmur Member

    Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is
    true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC
    in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the
    THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the
    cannabis prior to extraction.
    3. Use the highest proof alcohol available.
    Where I live this is Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will
    be.
    4. Simmer the mixture.
    This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the
    cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern
    with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however
    flammable).
    The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates
    and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic
    physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure
    ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to
    just below the boiling point of ethanol.
    Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will
    need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a
    wide, vertical-edged pan (9” diameter x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The
    rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.
    Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring
    the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 170°F. The alcohol should be just
    barely boiling.
    You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed
    with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the
    fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.
    5. Strain and store.
    When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon
    tincture after you have strained the extract. Notice that one ounce of the alcohol has
    evaporated. See the tips below for a good way to strain the tincture.
    A standard eyedropper will transfer about 1ml (or 1 gram) of liquid. There are 29
    milliliters in one ounce. So you should end up with about 30 or so full eyedroppers (30
    milliliters) of Green Dragon.
    The liquid should be dark brownish-green and smell like cannabis.
    6. Dosage. Titration.
    Everybody is different. It takes me between 30-90 minutes to feel the effects of Green
    Dragon (depending on how much food is in my stomach).
    I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same
    amount of cannabis and found that 5 ml (5 full eyedroppers) did pretty much nothing.
    Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 30-90
    minutes and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.
    Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects
    lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.
    This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1
    dropperful is really all I need). For me it is much more pleasant than smoking (I've
    stopped smoking entirely).

     
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    rjfmur

    rjfmur Member

    You can put a dropper or two in hot tea and most of the alcohol will evaporate. Direct applications will burn.
     
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    LadyMJ

    LadyMJ Member

    I basically follow the same steps that rjfmur outlined in their instructions. Depending on the potency I use 1.25 to 2 ml per dose. Green Dragon has made me go places I didn't think MJ could take me. Love the stuff. I've made it with Everclear 95% alcohol and Barcadi 151. I like the taste of Barcardi better, but Everclear is the best for extracting. Not that the taste really matters because the dose is so low, and like rjfmur I like adding mine to a shot glass with some water and throw back (drink it down all at once).
     
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    billybob420

    billybob420 Well-Known Member

    Definitely gonna have to try this.
     
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    Siddhartha2

    Siddhartha2 Active Member

    I do not heat my trim before soaking and it is just as strong as the time I heated first. Also with 151 a 30 minute soak is all you need.
    I use 1 ounce of trim and larf, put it in a clean french press, poor 151 in, stir every few minutes, press and pour back into bottle. No mess, No hassle, and it is STRONG. Like half a shot and you are out strong. Be careful giving it to other people.
    Sidd
     
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    cjlynx

    cjlynx Member

    NO, regular rum isn't what you use. You need to have a higher 'octane' booze for it to work properly. Remember, THC is alcohol soluable, not water soluable and regular rum has too much water content. Spare yourself and just wait till you can get your hands on **atleast** some 151 if not everclear.
     
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    cjlynx

    cjlynx Member

    NO, regular rum isn't what you use. You need to have a higher 'octane' booze for it to work properly. Remember, THC is alcohol soluable, not water soluable and regular rum has too much water content. Spare yourself and just wait till you can get your hands on **atleast** some 151 if not everclear.
     
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    Tupapa

    Tupapa Well-Known Member

    First of all u have to decarb the herb at 220f for 60 min. If u skip the decarb stage u won't get high no matter if u soak it in everclear or not.
     
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    Atebit

    Atebit New Member

    Thanks for all the discussion folks.

    So I just followed this to the fucking T (even used a Nova decarboxylator) and I barely got 2 ml of tincture.

    I used 1/8 oz (3.4g) of bud w/2 oz Everclear. Kept the solution around 168-172 the ENTIRE time.

    So bummed I did not get more than this. Should I scrap the soaked herb? Is the 2ml I DO have just like orbital-level potent? So confused and discouraged...

    Any help would be appreciated to understand where I went wrong. Thanks!
     

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