Florida is set to arm teachers

Should teachers have weapons in their classrooms?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • No

    Votes: 22 78.6%
  • Total voters
    28
LEDandCoffee

LEDandCoffee

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66% approve. 70% want "gun control"

I'm not sure what you're getting at. You keep flopping back and forth as to what you're even trying to get at. You just like to argue.
 
Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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Fogdog said:
I know.

Boring.

He's becoming boring. Boring is the worst. Dude can't even stay consistent.

First against gun control, then for gun control, then against gun control, all the while, just negative carping, nothing of interest.

Just weak ass carping.

And boring.
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what the fuck happened to intelligence in America?

The rural white man has become beyond ignorant. Today he is simply stupid, because the facts are out there.

if you can think for yourself.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
Some school districts around the country are allowing teachers to arm themselves. The FASTER program just trained their first class of 24 teachers last year in Colorado based on a 5 year old pilot program in another state. So I guess we will see how that goes. It depends on state laws and school district policy as to where teacher's can carry. K-12 teachers in my school district cannot carry.
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Sure, bugsy.

We all know that guns in the home make people less safe. 98,000 public schools and about 2.5-3 million teachers.

Nationwide in 2016, the death rate from an unintentional shooting with a gun was 0.1 per 100,000 people and the rate of non-fatal unintentional shootings is about 4 per 100,000
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4700838/

If 20% of all teacher were armed, that would be 600,000 teachers. Roughly somewhere around 0.6 kids dead and 25 kids hurt per year. Personally, I don't think armed teachers are going to account for any saved lives. So, how many lives saved vs lives still lost due to guns in mass shootings in schools makes it worth taking the risk of accidents? Realitically even if teachers could stop one or two mass shootings each year, our country will still have much worse numbers of gun homicides and deaths from mass shootings compared to Canada and Australia.

How about if we institute gun laws that are known to reduce all gun homicides and accidents to a fraction of what we have now? That, without adding risk of injury from teachers who are supposed to be good at teaching and not subduing armed assailants.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
Sure, bugsy.

We all know that guns in the home make people less safe. 98,000 public schools and about 2.5-3 million teachers.

Nationwide in 2016, the death rate from an unintentional shooting with a gun was 0.1 per 100,000 people and the rate of non-fatal unintentional shootings is about 4 per 100,000
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4700838/

If 20% of all teacher were armed, that would be 600,000 teachers. Roughly somewhere around 0.6 kids dead and 25 kids hurt per year. Personally, I don't think armed teachers are going to account for any saved lives. So, how many lives saved vs lives still lost due to guns in mass shootings in schools makes it worth taking the risk of accidents? Realitically even if teachers could stop one or two mass shootings each year, our country will still have much worse numbers of gun homicides and deaths from mass shootings compared to Canada and Australia.

How about if we institute gun laws that are known to reduce all gun homicides and accidents to a fraction of what we have now? That, without adding risk of injury from teachers who are supposed to be good at teaching and not subduing armed assailants.
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I support much stronger gun laws AND allowing qualified teachers to have guns at schools. Is the rate of gun accidents the same for police officers as civilians?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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LEDandCoffee said:
Won't it be cool when someone goes into a school and kills 17 students because no one around can do a damn thing about it?

Oh wait.
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Won't it be cool when government schools are no longer funded by threats of guns being used against people who decline to pay the automatic lien that government places on their property with or without their consent?

If using guns offensively is a problem, why should the method used in government school funding be exempt from this?
 
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schuylaar

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Jimdamick said:
Here we go

Florida’s Republican-controlled state House and Senate advanced bills this week that would train teachers to carry guns in classrooms, advancing GOP calls for more weapons in schools following the Feb. 14 massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

The legislature’s Republican/NRA/Trump package, approved by committees in both chambers, would devote $67 million to establish school “marshals” ― teachers and school staff (janitors/cooks) trained to carry a concealed weapon (weapon to be supplied by the lowest bidder)

I don't know about you boys and girls, but the idea of arming teachers to defend their students across this "great" country, is a frightening prospect, and the world is probably scratching it's head, saying what the fuck, I knew they were assholes, but really, that's their solution?

I would say this is unbelievable, but it is a sad fact.

Fuck the NRA/GOP and Trump especially, to even come up with the concept.
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not gonna happen. there's a little thing called union.
 
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schuylaar

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you're all missing how this happened..the school was locked, had an armed RSO..how the shooter did it was to pull the OUTSIDE fire alarm and went to the first set of buildings on the left (freshman classes). started shooting then turned and walked away with the rest of the kids west to the path that leads to walmart where he went to subway inside..then walked south to mcd hung out there..thought it was safe and was walking away when a creek cop was patroling the area for springs cops who were busy at the school. taken alive to stand trial is cop creed in this area.
 
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