First time AUTOFLOWERING! Give me your lights guys!..Enlighten Me!

EL Connoisseur said:

Hi all guys!..
First of all i am a coco synthetic nutrition grower..
Well, i have never grown autos before cause of the lower level of thc due to the ruderalis mix but now, i must do a quick run cause i leave my home and move to a new place and i must run 9x bubba kush from humboldt which i found they are the best for me based on the numbers they give..
So i have 2 specific questions(nothing else ):
1st: In these 70 days(10 weeks) strain..Which weeks are veg,which are transmission and which are flowering weeks?
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2nd: Can i TOP ONCE and LST ONCE in this VEG available time? Also can i DEFOLIATE(at day 20 from transmisson as i do on feminized?)

Thank you in advane brothers!
Keep it flowering!

E.C.


@Hydro4life

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1st: In these 70 days(10 weeks) strain..Which weeks are veg,which are transmission and which are flowering weeks?
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Average flip to flower seems to be 5 weeks. Anything from 3 to 7 weeks before they flip is not unusual. The same strain might finish in 8 weeks or 12 weeks depending on particular circumstances.

2nd: Can i TOP ONCE and LST ONCE in this VEG available time? Also can i DEFOLIATE(at day 20 from transmisson as i do on feminized?)

I'm yet to let one grow untopped. Check out the autoflower topping thread on AFN. Topping and auto flowers are a marriage made in heaven. Same with defoliating. Seriously you can defoliate the fuck out of her and you can be sure it won't be enough, as long as the roots are healthy and the plant is in peak condition the plant has need for very few leaves and the mass of small leaves coupled with 18 hours of quality light means extra leaves do more harm than good by cutting out the light.

As for LST you do that through out the grow.

TEKNIK said:

Hi everyone, I was asked what lights work best with autoflowers and I really don't know. I've been told they work best under MH but then I was told HPS is the way to go. I'm trying to work out what spectrum they work best under, is it a heavier red spectrum or heavier blue spectrum. I haven't had a good answer so I guess here is the right place to ask.
Cheers

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For the veg stage I think it's important for auto to give them plenty of blue, to keep the internodes short. For the rest of the grow it's nice to have supplemental red.

Thank you very much, it is what I suspected but just wanted to double check as someone was telling me differently.

TEKNIK said:

Thank you very much, it is what I suspected but just wanted to double check as someone was telling me differently.

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However more important than what lights for autoflower is 'soil or hydro'. Pretty well any good lights will work but autos really work best as a hydro grow, people do well in soil but to get the most out of lst and defoliating you really need a powerful root system for autos which is why hydro is the way to go for them.

yummy fur said:

However more important than what lights for autoflower is 'soil or hydro'. Pretty well any good lights will work but autos really work best as a hydro grow, people do well in soil but to get the most out of lst and defoliating you really need a powerful root system for autos which is why hydro is the way to go for them.

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This is one of the silliest things I've ever read. Soil or hydro is more important for a grow that the kind of lights you have? So hydro and 2 45 watt cfls are better than soil and a 1000 watt hps or 500 watts of cob led? Please don't give people bad assed advise.

MATTYMATT726 said:

This is one of the silliest things I've ever read. Soil or hydro is more important for a grow that the kind of lights you have? So hydro and 2 45 watt cfls are better than soil and a 1000 watt hps or 500 watts of cob led? Please don't give people bad assed advise.

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Why bother to answer a post if you're only going to be a trolling prick?

I didn't say what you said I said, so fuck off.

yummy fur said:

Why bother to answer a post if you're only going to be a trolling prick?

I didn't say what you said I said, so fuck off.

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And you're a clown. The most important single part of a grow is the light. Type as well as amount. Every new kid wants to get his name out there and make his mark and be the big shot but don't try to get that way by teaching others bad information.

yummy fur said:

However more important than what lights for autoflower is 'soil or hydro'. Pretty well any good lights will work but autos really work best as a hydro grow, people do well in soil but to get the most out of lst and defoliating you really need a powerful root system for autos which is why hydro is the way to go for them.

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I respectfully disagree. The biggest and best auto yields I have seen are invariably grown with top notch lights.

McStrats said:

I respectfully disagree. The biggest and best auto yields I have seen are invariably grown with top notch lights.

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There's a guy named MrOldboy on AFN got 11-12 oz IF not more on 1 plant in soil. It was a Mephisto freebie Sam's Crack. F1 Samaquash x Green Crack. Thing was incredible. He won the 1st quarter of the year grow battle i believe.

MATTYMATT726 said:

There's a guy named MrOldboy on AFN got 11-12 oz IF not more on 1 plant in soil. It was a Mephisto freebie Sam's Crack. F1 Samaquash x Green Crack. Thing was incredible. He won the 1st quarter of the year grow battle i believe.

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Sometimes the KISS principle is the best. Defoliating and LST are okay if you're bored and feel the need to interact with your plants...but sometimes just sticking a seed in a pot and putting it under really good light is all you need to grow great cannabis. I do trim out the peach fuzz around the base, and I harvest progressively...but buds don't photosynthesize..leaves do! Getting rid of leaves is like getting rid of your food pantry...it makes no sense.

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McStrats said:

Sometimes the KISS principle is the best. Defoliating and LST are okay if you're bored and feel the need to interact with your plants...but sometimes just sticking a seed in a pot and putting it under really good light is all you need to grow great cannabis. I do trim out the peach fuzz around the base, and I harvest progressively...but buds don't photosynthesize..leaves do! Getting rid of leaves is like getting rid of your food pantry...it makes no sense.

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Very funny, he started in root control pots or whatever they are and than TRANSPLANTED(like someone else i know XD even though you can't with autos) and never 1 time used bottle nutes. I went back and it was 356 grams dry for 12.5 oz. His living organic soil. Believe something named Coots in his journal. I wish i had legal growing and my own place to try my hand at oitdoor soil stuff.

MATTYMATT726 said:

And you're a clown. The most important single part of a grow is the light. Type as well as amount. Every new kid wants to get his name out there and make his mark and be the big shot but don't try to get that way by teaching others bad information.

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MOST Important is ENVIRONMENT then everything Else..

CikaBika said:

MOST Important is ENVIRONMENT then everything Else..

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Environment is the system as a whole. Medium, light, food..... of course one would like to have the best in all areas and have everything perfect but thats not easy. There will always be a strenth and a weakness for each grower. I'd rather always 10/10 have lighting as a strenth than a weakness concidering photosynthesis works from plants light. Even with a great light and minimal nutes they will grow. All the food in the world and not enough light to use it does no good.

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Environment is the system as a whole. Medium, light, food..... of course one would like to have the best in all areas and have everything perfect but thats not easy. There will always be a strenth and a weakness for each grower. I'd rather always 10/10 have lighting as a strenth than a weakness concidering photosynthesis works from plants light. Even with a great light and minimal nutes they will grow. All the food in the world and not enough light to use it does no good.

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Sorry dude but I disagree environment is temp and humidity.. I saw few interviews with breeders/growers and most of them claim Environment is number one than grower then rest...
We have to get straight that there must be sort some of standard,as we talking about Light's.. But I dont wanna debate about obvious this is it potato or potatoe..

Much Love and respect..

CikaBika said:

Sorry dude but I disagree environment is temp and humidity.. I saw few interviews with breeders/growers and most of them claim Environment is number one than grower then rest...
We have to get straight that there must be sort some of standard,as we talking about Light's.. But I dont wanna debate about obvious this is it potato or potatoe..

Much Love and respect..

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I left ... because there were plenry of other things to account for. But what you're saying is that a plant needs that 75-82° and won't grow if its 65 or 90°? Temps still don't factor as much as proper type and amount of light. I mean i need clothes to wear and a house to live in but most importantly i need air to live and food to eat. Plant cant make it through rough up and down temps. Plant dies with no air/bare minimum foods.

MATTYMATT726 said:

I left ... because there were plenry of other things to account for. But what you're saying is that a plant needs that 75-82° and won't grow if its 65 or 90°? Temps still don't factor as much as proper type and amount of light. I mean i need clothes to wear and a house to live in but most importantly i need air to live and food to eat. Plant cant make it through rough up and down temps. Plant dies with no air/bare minimum foods.

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For me everything matter.. it's like mathematics equinesion ..you can't have one without other.. temp.hum.light nutes skill

CikaBika said:

For me everything matter.. it's like mathematics equinesion ..you can't have one without other.. temp.hum.light nutes skill

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Yeah in a perfect world i think everyone wants/tries for that. Hard as a beginner. When i very stupidly wanted to start, i was cheap and didn't want to do things right. Thi k 6 Super Lemon Haze plants in 6 inch square pots(probably 6x6x6) of coco with 8 23 watt cfls in a closet -_- i got laughed at and wasted time on plants that never turned out to do much and scrapped it for 2-3 years before learning and putting the money down. I just thi k if you can have 1 thi g to not cheap out on(and its what people do anyways) it's the lights.

MATTYMATT726 said:

Yeah in a perfect world i think everyone wants/tries for that. Hard as a beginner. When i very stupidly wanted to start, i was cheap and didn't want to do things right. Thi k 6 Super Lemon Haze plants in 6 inch square pots(probably 6x6x6) of coco with 8 23 watt cfls in a closet -_- i got laughed at and wasted time on plants that never turned out to do much and scrapped it for 2-3 years before learning and putting the money down. I just thi k if you can have 1 thi g to not cheap out on(and its what people do anyways) it's the lights.

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You both have good points imo. I learnt very quickly once i started playing with co2 enrichment that you are limited by your weakest link. For example you need plenty of powerful lighting to take advantage of the increased photosynthesis that adding co2 can provide but if your temp is too low and humidity is too high then the leaves aren't perspiring and up taking the extra nutes/water to thrive, on the other hand if temp is too high and humidity is too low then the plant will perspire too much and the stomatas will close as the plant will go into survival mode and the dosing of co2 and extra light intensity will just become a waste as the plant cannot utilise it without the right temp/humidity. it is also the same with the lights, if im dosing co2 at 1300ppm, humidity and temps are spot on, the plant can in turn photosynthesise more but without increased light intensity the extra co2 is pretty much wasted.

From my experience poor lighting will have the biggest negative impact as the temp and humidity window for a healthy crop is fairly decent.
But if you want BIG sticky icky buds, EVERYTHING has to be on spec and compliment each other throughout the entire grow!!

Here's my current grow, 3 autos in one pot. Autos are awesome but not many people know how simple they are to grow and they over complicate matters. They produce more than any sane person would want. To get the full benefit of they need a good hydro system and you absolutely have to know how to prune them. I think knowing how and what to prune makes all the difference.

yummy fur said:

Here's my current grow, 3 autos in one pot. Autos are awesome but not many people know how simple they are to grow and they over complicate matters. They produce more than any sane person would want. To get the full benefit of they need a good hydro system and you absolutely have to know how to prune them. I think knowing how and what to prune makes all the difference.

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All I do is some leaf tucking and I consistently get 3-4 zips in 3 gallon smart pots filled with Promix. I did a couple of autos in DWC last year, but they were to big for my tent.